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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    There is a contingent of people in the Islands who are qualified to join NARAS, but have not done so - these are experienced, knowledgeable & talented folks who could make a difference in influencing the direction of this particular award. Why they do not do so mystifies me.
    This exact thing has been a mystery here for years and years, ever since the first attempts to get a Grammy category even started.
    It's always been a very low turnout of qualified people interested in participating.
    But even if we doubled or even tripled the current number of people, it wouldn't be enough to sway the votes. Ergo, most people figure "why bother?".
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Ergo, most people figure "why bother?".
    Something about "lighting a candle" rather than "cursing the darkness," perhaps?

    A tripling of NARAS members from Hawai`i would most assuredly become an influential block of voices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    But most of what happens will be of low visibility to the general public. In the field of Hawaiian music the 'aloha image' is one thing, with the musicians and related folks putting on a happy face for the public and often pretending that everything is lovely and fine, but among each other their opinions often change 180 degrees.
    Well, the curtain is being pulled back. Check out today's issue of MIDWEEK. Page six has an article written by winners Tia Carrere, Daniel Ho and Amy Stillman, defending themselves pretty strongly against all the negative reactions.
    Then on page 25 is a counterpoint article by Cyril Pahinui that will shock you with how strongly he attacks Tia, Daniel and Amy.
    This is some truly shocking stuff, folks.
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    This is not good. If Cyril thinks the other nominees were that much better than the winning entry, he's certainly entitled to that opinion and I don't begrudge his expressing it. But this stuff goes beyond the music itself and now I only want to root against him.
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    I'll repeat here what I posted in another forum:

    Moving forward, will more qualified individuals join The Recording Academy and get involved in the process, as some of us have already done for many, many years? If they can but do not, then they have no room to express complaints about how an industry operates their own celebration of their peers.

    (For those not already aware, I am a voting member of both NARAS - the Grammy folks - and HARA - the Nā Hōkū Hanohano folks, and have been for many years; as a member of the Pacific Northwest branch of NARAS, I've long been an advocate for adding the "Best Hawaiian Music" Award to the Grammys. Yes - that means I have a bias.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    This is not good. If Cyril thinks the other nominees were that much better than the winning entry, he's certainly entitled to that opinion and I don't begrudge his expressing it. But this stuff goes beyond the music itself and now I only want to root against him.
    You're not alone. One of my sources over at MIDWEEK says they're already getting a lot of e-mails, mostly anti Cyril. Next week's Letters section should be interesting.
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    I read and re-read the MidWeek responses cited. And here are my reactions to both of them.

    1) Tia, Amy, and Daniel (who I will collectively refer to as TAD) pointed out the pink elephant in the room that nobody else wanted to publicly acknowledge. And that is, their detractors were playing the race card.

    Many have complained that “Mainland voters are ignorant of Hawaiian music.” But as stated, voters are professionals in the recording arts. They judge musical quality, regardless of celebrity, residence, sales, air-play or race.
    Amy’s presence renders attacks of race and authenticity groundless
    TAD goes on to explain and detail the involvment of native Hawaiians in their work. Of course, their detractors know all of this already. What the detractors don't have the guts to say is something along the lines of; "Tia and Daniel don't deserve to win the Hawaiian Grammy because the award should go to a frontman or woman who is Hawaiian."

    2) When given a opportunity by MidWeek to state his opinion as to why TAD was not deserving of a Grammy, Cyril cites chart data, sales numbers, the location of the recording work.... all of which are supposed to be irrelevant to the awarding of a Grammy, no matter what category you're talking about.

    Cyril could have talked about the artistic/cultural merits (or lack thereof) of TAD's album. It would have been a personal opinion. But coming from him, at least his opinion would have carried some weight. Unfortunately, he doesn't take that route;

    I think, given the biographical music history of our CD contributors and the other albums up, Ledward Kaapana vs. Tia Carerre, it is a no-brainer.
    On comparing the artistic merits of the nominees, is that all Cyril could come up with? "It is a no-brainer." Geez.

    Behind the public display of the Aloha spirit and participants acting like one big Ohana, it's no secret that a lot of backroom politics takes place when it comes to events like Na Hoku awards and the Merrie Monarch festival. The local media may ignore it, but the complaints are there every year about some winners being underserving, but being fortunate enough to be in the good graces of the right clique. These complaints go way back and are nothing new. Local performers (both in and out of this clique) have learned to accept it as a fact of life.

    But I think what's happening here with the Hawaiian Grammy is this: Some of these performers who have long been used to receiving accolades and praise from the local media are miffed when a respected organization like NARAS doesn't play along with the same game that takes places when it comes to handing out awards like Na Hoku. That's my theory, at least. Musicians believing all the headlines and hype that are heaped on them by the local media. And when an organization like NARAS doesn't play along with that game, it's a bitter pill for them to swallow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Moving forward, will more qualified individuals join The Recording Academy and get involved in the process, as some of us have already done for many, many years? If they can but do not, then they have no room to express complaints about how an industry operates their own celebration of their peers.
    Leo, what you say is absolutely right. Those who criticize the Grammy selection should do as you say. That would be the logical thing to do. Unfortunately, logic doesn't always prevail in these situations.

    Most of us know of someone who always seems to have a chip on their shoulder. They'll say stuff like, "Oh, I can't get anywhere in this company because the boss doesn't like ________s. He hates _______s." But when an opportunity comes to apply for a higher position (with more responsibilities) that Mr. Complainer is qualified for, he holds back. Why? Because Mr. Complainer doesn't want to face the possibility of perhaps failing at his new job and coming to grips with his shortcomings. He would rather point his finger at excuses rather than facing the truth. Same with these disgruntled critics of TAD. It's so much more comforting to blame a Grammy loss on Grammy voters who are "ignorant mainlanders" rather than facing up to the same loss...... but with an increased number of voters who do hail from the islands. IOW, Leo, your suggestion would strip away the last excuse that TAD's detractors are able to cling to.

    And that frightens them.
    This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.

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