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    Yeah, too bad for Berg, 'cause Pine is well liked and respected by the voters in her current area.

    Also, I enjoyed the joke about the homeless keeping an area safe by providing "...the eyes and ears needed on the scene to thwart off illegal activity and provide a landowner with 24/7 security." That's rich, as they're often (if not usually) the ones involved in said activity. How are you going to select the wheat and reject the chaff, assuming there is some wheat desiring the attention of a farmer hidden amongst the chaff?
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhrdS...LD0DWaP5LxmYI=
    Eric Ryan is under investigation for theft and before he was caught stealing by Tom Berg and fired, he supported Tom Berg.
    Tom Berg turned in Eric Ryan to the authorities and now Eric Ryan has made false claims against Berg in retaliation.
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    Thumbs up Re-elect Tom Berg!

    How many City Council members have ACED three Resolutions in ONE DAY?
    August 15, 2012 - In One Single City Council Session:

    THREE TOM BERG SPONSORED MEASURES...

    Resolution 12-172 - PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
    Ewa Plains Historic Trails
    An important step towards official historic recognition of Ewa Plains Trails benefitting future generations. An action for inclusion in state and federal historic trails programs and listings which will create more open recreational areas, recognize more historic sites and further assist Hawaiian cultural preservation programs.

    Resolution 12-173 - PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
    RESTORING SERVICE CUTS TO BUS ROUTES.
    Urging the Mayor to find funding to immediately restore service cuts instituted to city bus routes and other rural bus routes. This will provide relief for the elderly, handicapped and lower income workers using the Bus to commute to their jobs.

    Resolution 12-177 - PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
    FAREBOX RECOVERY POLICY. Suspending
    the Farebox Recovery Policy on funding the operating costs of the City bus system for Fiscal Year 2013. This will provide additional relief for the elderly, handicapped and lower income workers using the Bus to commute to their jobs. A major WIN for the people of West Oahu!

    This is EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP and PROVES Tom Berg is a WINNER for all of West Oahu!

    Watch The Latest News On Berg... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgT4zNS_HdU
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    How many City Council members have ACED three Resolutions in ONE DAY?
    August 15, 2012 - In One Single City Council Session:

    THREE TOM BERG SPONSORED MEASURES...

    Resolution 12-172 - PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
    Ewa Plains Historic Trails
    An important step to wards official historic recognition of Ewa Plains Trails benefiting future generations. An action for inclusion in state and federal historic trails programs and listings which will create more open recreational areas, recognize more historic sites and further assist Hawaiian cultural preservation programs.
    How does this TeaBagger propose to pay for this program? Another unfunded pork barrel project?

    Resolution 12-173 - PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
    RESTORING SERVICE CUTS TO BUS ROUTES.
    Urging the Mayor to find funding to immediately restore service cuts instituted to city bus routes and other rural bus routes. This will provide relief for the elderly, handicapped and lower income workers using the Bus to commute to their jobs.
    How does this TeaBagger propose to pay for this service? Cuts in teachers' salaries?

    Resolution 12-177 - PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
    FAREBOX RECOVERY POLICY. Suspending
    the Farebox Recovery Policy on funding the operating costs of the City bus system for Fiscal Year 2013. This will provide additional relief for the elderly, handicapped and lower income workers using the Bus to commute to their jobs. A major WIN for the people of West Oahu!
    How does this TeaBagger propose to pay for this "additional relief"? Increase in class sizes?

    This is EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP and PROVES Tom Berg is a WINNER for all of West Oahu!
    Actually this is an increase in the State deficit without a source of funding. The only way this works without cutting other programs is an increase in taxes. That is something a TeaBagger has sworn not to do. Time will prove the folly of initiating unfunded services. This is nothing more than a cheap trick to gain support for his re-election.

    I'm all for the services passed. I'm also for an increase in taxes to pay for them. Time to stop putting government services and programs on a credit card for future generations to pay.
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    You do realize that everyone on the council voted for them right?
    So I guess it's just a 'cheap trick' by all?
    Mr. Berg introduced the resolutions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    You do realize that everyone on the council voted for them right?
    So I guess it's just a 'cheap trick' by all?
    Mr. Berg introduced the resolutions.
    This is EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP and PROVES Tom Berg is a WINNER for all of West Oahu!
    Then his "effective leadership" should provide for a means to pay for it all. There is no free grindz, somebody has to pay for it. He can show that he is a "winner" by providing a means for funding.

    How do you think these programs and benefits should be paid for?
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    Let me preface this comment with I have nothing against the Slack Key Festival I just enjoyed. Now saying that what is your opinion about OUR Mayor Carlisle giving a $10,000 check to the organizers? Was it a Cheap Trick?
    Is this more important than keeping bus routes or fares down?
    Why does it have to affect education? When there are sooo many other options (some stupid) that C&C of Honolulu money is spent(wasted) on that WE could get the funds from instead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    Then his "effective leadership" should provide for a means to pay for it all. There is no free grindz, somebody has to pay for it. He can show that he is a "winner" by providing a means for funding.

    How do you think these programs and benefits should be paid for?
    Well in a perfect world, since the bus is considered mass transit, you would take the money from the rail fund. Ben Cayetano has said he will cancel rail and convert it to BRT (bus rapid transit), so why not start now? Unfortunately, all that’s going to be tied up in the courts for years, beginning tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    How does this TeaBagger propose to pay for this service? Cuts in teachers' salaries? ...this is an increase in the State deficit without a source of funding.
    Cutting teachers’ salary wouldn’t make a difference one way or the other since they are funded by the state, not the city. Likewise, none of these bills affect the state deficit, since they’re under the city budget. Try to keep up, matapule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    How many City Council members have ACED three Resolutions in ONE DAY?
    Over the years, many councilmembers have passed even more resolutions in a single day.

    But what's the big deal? Resolutions are not ordinances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    But what's the big deal?
    The 'big deal' is trying to do good. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuNnL View Post
    Well in a perfect world, since the bus is considered mass transit, ..............all that’s going to be tied up in the courts for years, beginning tomorrow.
    So that option is not a viable means of funding.

    Cutting teachers’ salary wouldn’t make a difference one way or the other since they are funded by the state, not the city. Likewise, none of these bills affect the state deficit, since they’re under the city budget. Try to keep up, matapule.
    Okay let's put it in your context, but actually the City does hire some teachers. Does he propose to cut police and firemen staff or salaries? Does he propose to cut park funding? His "leadership" proposals are going to increase the City deficit without a means of funding.

    You failed to answer the question with a viable means of funding, not something theoretical that will be tied up in the courts for years. Do you want to answer the question or just obfuscate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    You failed to answer the question with a viable means of funding, not something theoretical that will be tied up in the courts for years.
    I take it back, then — it won’t be tied up in courts for years:

    Rail foes win big
    The state Supreme Court agrees work on the project should not have begun without a full archaeological survey

    By Kevin Dayton
    POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Aug 25, 2012

    Opponents of the $5.26 billion Oahu rail project won a clear victory Friday as the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled that a state agency violated its rules by approving the rail project before an archaeological survey was completed for the 20-mile rail route.

    In a unanimous ruling, the court found that rules governing the State Historic Preservation Division "do not permit the SHPD to concur in the rail Project" until the city finishes the survey to determine whether there are Native Hawaiian burials or other archaeological resources in the path of the rail line.

    We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

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    I was stunned watching this on the evening news, a virtual death blow, if it and the impending win for Cayetano doesn't end the madness, then I guess nothing will. Great to see victory being pulled out of the jaws of defeat at the 11th hour. Please, let it be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    And out of that miniscule 23% voter participation, Berg got a whopping 18%, while his top two opponents effectively split the Democratic/labor vote. In a couple of years, when the seat is up for grabs again through the city's normal "non-partisan" election process, reality will hit Mr. Berg if he's planning a long-term career on the council.
    This was what I proclaimed nearly two years ago after Berg capitalized in a run-off election to get onto the city council. This was what I speculated, before Berg started making an okole of himself in public. Kym Pine's whopping 25 point victory comes as no surprise here.

    Second only to Cayetano, Berg was the most outspoken opponent of rail. The defeat of those two, as well as the rest of the 2012 results, means that only one elected officeholder in Honolulu Hale (Ann Kobayashi) continues to stubbornly cling to an anti-rail position.
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    Leaving the tea party out of it ...and strictly in my opinion...Berg's biggest FAIL was his temper and lack of communication skills. I have democrat friends on the west side who supported Berg's candidacy. Then, he went on a rant on his FB page Tues. night. He made a total ass of himself to the point that we were questioning if he was drunk. My friends were terribly upset that they supported him. Then, there's APEC. And, council meetings. No matter how great his ideas might be, he's an embarrassment to his constituents. And, to the city. He's better suited for a position with FOX News where his temper and foul mouth would be applauded!

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    Good idea:
    Quote Originally Posted by tutusue View Post
    Leaving the tea party out of it
    ... and then you didn't:
    Quote Originally Posted by tutusue View Post
    He's better suited for a position with FOX News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Good idea: ... and then you didn't:
    Hence...the !!! Maybe I shoulda used ?!

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    Well Tom Berg didn't get re-elected which makes some of you happy.
    He did allow his temper in public and at the City Council meetings to overshadow the truth of misdeeds and mismanagement of Honolulu County by other Council members.
    I think he was the best thing to happen there in many years! IMO

    Someone wrote this to Honolulu Weekly and I agree... also a lot more than is stated here by this person.
    "Thank you Tom [City Council member Berg] for [exposing] some of the worst, most blatant deceptions of all time (“The Election: What Happened?” Nov. 28).
    Not only do the people not get heard on GMO labeling, they don’t get heard on the rail project, the spending of $5 million dollars for art at rail stations,
    and most recently the botched election process where 70 polling places run out of ballots.

    Nothing will be done to correct any of these situations, and it is depressing to realize that the elected officials of this state could be that outwardly and boldly corrupt.
    I blame the people of Hawaii for not speaking up and holding those elected to a higher standard. The status quo is not only alive, it is becoming worse.
    The problem for you Tom is that you’re the only voice willing to tackle the tough questions.
    All the others are part of the problem.

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    I regret losing a rouge voice for the people, if indeed he was that, but his outbursts set him up for ejection from the rancid pool. Maybe he'll find other avenues to promote his views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    Well Tom Berg didn't get re-elected which makes some of you happy.
    Some?

    Tell that to 60% of the voters in council district 1 who wanted to go in another direction and cast their vote for Kym Pine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    Someone wrote this to Honolulu Weekly and I agree... also a lot more than is stated here by this person.
    "Thank you Tom [City Council member Berg] for [exposing] some of the worst, most blatant deceptions of all time (“The Election: What Happened?” Nov. 28).
    Not only do the people not get heard on GMO labeling, they don’t get heard on the rail project,
    "The people?" Oh, you mean the 47.4% of people who were outvoted by the 52.6% majority who supported the '08 rail referendum.

    Or is it "the people" whose anti-rail mayoral candidate (Cayetano) was soundly defeated by the pro-rail candidate (Caldwell), 54 to 46% last November.

    You know, people who support a losing candidate or find themselves in the minority on an issue are free to express themselves. But at the same time, they also need to respect the fact that the majority have spoken at the ballot box and not forget how democracy in this country works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    I regret losing a rouge voice for the people, if indeed he was that, but his outbursts set him up for ejection from the rancid pool. Maybe he'll find other avenues to promote his views.
    There's always the neighborhood board to run for. And anyone is free to attend and offer testimony (at the appropriate times) at the council meetings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    1)Some?
    Tell that to 60% of the voters in council district 1 who wanted to go in another direction and cast their vote for Kym Pine.

    2)"The people?" Oh, you mean the 47.4% of people who were outvoted by the 52.6% majority who supported the '08 rail referendum.
    3)Or is it "the people" whose anti-rail mayoral candidate (Cayetano) was soundly defeated by the pro-rail candidate (Caldwell), 54 to 46% last November.

    4)You know, people who support a losing candidate or find themselves in the minority on an issue are free to express themselves. But at the same time, they also need to respect the fact that the majority have spoken at the ballot box and not forget how democracy in this country works.

    5)There's always the neighborhood board to run for. And anyone is free to attend and offer testimony (at the appropriate times) at the council meetings.
    1) I was speaking to HTers here not District 1 residents.
    2) Do you believe that 'WE' (all of us) were given the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about RAIL and it's costs to us before the vote? Or even up to this present date?
    3) There was more than RAIL differences between those two candidates, and we'll see how we fare under a Caldwell administration.
    4) I do. Too bad "The wool gets pulled over many eyes!" though.
    5) Thanks for your input. Good ideas and there are many other avenues also. PBS Hawaii for one...
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