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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12375575

    If these kids are 'just hiking' they sure picked a terrible place to vacation.

    Sounds fishy to me.
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    Almost reminds me of the latest Rambo movie, where Rambo is telling the missionaries not to go up the river because it's dangerous. But the boneheads do it anyway, and sure enough, chaos breaks loose and they're all abducted and held hostage.

    So we look at the regions of conflict in the world, and the ones that are always a danger to Americans (whether tourists, missionaries or peacekeepers) are the Middle East, Central Africa, North Africa, Korea, and the 'Stans. And yet people still go...

    "Hey, guys! Let's go take a 3 week hiking vacation to IRAQ! We'll go hike along the border; it'll be FUN!"

    When this story first broke out, I was not surprised to see a lack of sympathy. Everyone's initial reaction was the obvious one: WTH are you doing there, you idiots?

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    I'm curious to know who the hell paid Ms. Shourd's $500,000 bail. Da Kine Bail Bonds? Maybe we'll see a new reality TV series where Dog the Bounty Hunter drags Ms. Shourd back to Iran; to the dismay of the American people; but then in a plot twist Duane aids Delta Force in breaking all three Americans out of the Iran in a daring raid.
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    There's basically 2 choices.

    1. Misguided, miseducated Berzerkely libnuts who think the world is a wonderful place full of sunshine and butterflies, and that Islam is not a threat to the world so much as America is a threat to the world.

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    2. CIA
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    I disagree. What an amazing hike they must have been having! The things they got to see! I commend them for their bravery and sense of adventure - hiking out where few have been! (Until they got lost/ taken hostage. )
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    'Fraid I fit that profile, except for the misguided, miseducated libnut (sic) part.
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    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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    So Salmon.....just to clarify....

    You saying that America is a bigger threat to the world stability than Islam??

    Wow.
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    Just count the nukes and the nuts and you'll find how dominant we really are in both categories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Just count the nukes and the nuts and you'll find how dominant we really are in both categories.
    Islam is growing fast, and may even outnumber any other religion as we speak. All Muslims I have met don't fit the 'nut' category though, but I don't get around much, and both the US and the Islamic world have more than their share as far as I can tell.

    Thank god no nukes have come out - if they do, it's all over.

    Global stability is threatened by conflict, and conflict takes two parties. The current series of crises, probably starting with Iran - or maybe with the crusades - up to 9/11, the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and up to the present 'street invasions' in Paris and New York, are scary! It's evident we are both a threat to global stability - and no one is blinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    Islam is growing fast, and may even outnumber any other religion as we speak.
    As I posted in another thread nearly a year ago:
    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    In a compilation from encyclopedic sources, Christianity has around 2.1 billion adherents, while Islam has about 1.5 billion worldwide. (Third ranking group? About 1.1 billion who identify as "Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist.")
    I think Salmoned's point can't be so easily dismissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timkona View Post
    Misguided, miseducated Berzerkely libnuts who think the world is a wonderful place full of sunshine and butterflies, and that Islam is not a threat to the world so much as America is a threat to the world.
    I am a relatively well educated graduate of Berkeley who is guided by progressive ideals. I have observed America from the prespective of the inside of a Tongan fale. It is my opinion that America is, at present, the greatest threat to the world from a cultural, economic, gun-loving, self-interested, clueless, educational point of view. Do I hate America? No, just the opposite. I care so much about America that I am working diligently to improve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turtlegirl View Post
    I disagree. What an amazing hike they must have been having! The things they got to see! I commend them for their bravery and sense of adventure - hiking out where few have been! (Until they got lost/ taken hostage. )
    yeah it's always the ending that can make or break a vacation.

    As for hiking in dangerous places, the Kamehameha Lions club goes to Afghanistan to help distribute recycled glasses to remote villages. And yes it's dangerous. There will be an upcoming documentary on these travels on TV soon. Trips such as these help build relations with Afghan villagers who only know the Taliban and of nothing else.
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    Instead of comparing Islam with Christianity, when debating which is more dangerous, we should compare Islam with Science.

    Islam may (I'm ignorant about Islam) encourage its followers to blow themselves up in the name of Allah, but Science tempts its followers to exploit Nature in the name of "progress" and profit. People are a part of Nature, so inevitably Science gives us the power to exploit people.

    There are many ways to "kill" a person. You can do it dramatically with a suicide vest. You can also do it slowly and subtly with an unhealthy food supply, environmental pollution, or greedy monetary policy.

    Science has granted humanity too much power too fast. We're like a child who just discovered the marvels of a match. Hopefully we learn our lessons from just burning our fingers, instead of burning the house down.


    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    It is my opinion that America is, at present, the greatest threat to the world from a cultural, economic, gun-loving, self-interested, clueless, educational point of view.
    I kinda agree. America is one of the biggest threats, not because its culture or people are evil, but simply because we're one of the most powerful nations in the world. We have a lot of power to do either good or bad. Much like a gun.

    /grin


    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    the Kamehameha Lions club goes to Afghanistan to help distribute recycled glasses to remote villages.
    That's great to hear, Craig. I'm sure both sides of the exchange will learn a little more about the world we share.


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    Science tempts it's followers to exploit nature? If by followers you mean adherents, I humbly, yet strongly, disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Science tempts it's followers to exploit nature? If by followers you mean adherents, I humbly, yet strongly, disagree.
    By followers I mean people who advance science and those who benefit from it, which is pretty much everyone in America, myself included.

    I painted a broad stroke, so I'm not surprised there is disagreement. What in particular do you disagree with?
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    Science is a realm of ideas only, one which is mostly a mystery to 'pretty much everyone in America,' as shown in the results of many surveys. The benefit you're referring to, if not the advantage of increased understanding only, is not a product or result of science - it's a whole 'nother beast.
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    So if I'm understanding you right, you're making a distinction between Science and say Applied Science?
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    I guess when you use the term 'applied science,' you mean engineering. Yes, engineering is a discipline quite divergent and distinct from science. Many, perhaps most, fields in science have no correlation to engineering. As well, engineering is very often a product of art more than science. If you wish to call engineering 'applied science,' then why not music, painting and sculpture, as well? They qualify to precisely the same degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Science is a realm of ideas only, one which is mostly a mystery to 'pretty much everyone in America,' as shown in the results of many surveys. The benefit you're referring to, if not the advantage of increased understanding only, is not a product or result of science - it's a whole 'nother beast.
    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    I guess when you use the term 'applied science,' you mean engineering. Yes, engineering is a discipline quite divergent and distinct from science. Many, perhaps most, fields in science have no correlation to engineering. As well, engineering is very often a product of art more than science. If you wish to call engineering 'applied science,' then why not music, painting and sculpture, as well? They qualify to precisely the same degree.
    Hallelujah on all counts! FWIW, music, painting and sculpture are considered applied science - at least in my world. Engineering is not.

    And just to keep things on topic (don't want to get yelled at) - if someone wants to go hiking in a "dangerous" place, I say let 'em. There is danger everywhere. MM just said in another thread, he is going on a geo-adventure. I'm guessing that is just as dangerous in its own way. (Stay safe, MM)

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    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    Hallelujah on all counts! FWIW, music, painting and sculpture are considered applied science
    Haha, I was just waiting for AcousticLady to chime in, at the mention of music and science :_)

    If you all are interested in continuing this tangent, I created a new thread.
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