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Science: its definition(s) and ethics
"By concealing your desires, you may trick people into being cruel about the wrong thing." --Steven Aylett, Fain the Sorcerer
"You gotta get me to the tall corn." --David Mamet, Spartan
"Amateurs talk technology, professionals talk conditions." --(unknown)
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Originally posted by salmoned View PostI guess when you use the term 'applied science,' you mean engineering.
As well, engineering is very often a product of art more than science.
Originally posted by salmoned View PostScience is a realm of ideas only
Originally posted by acousticlady View PostHallelujah on all counts! FWIW, music, painting and sculpture are considered applied science - at least in my world. Engineering is not.
Concerning whether music is applied science or not, do musicians need to be fluent in mathematics (the writing and manipulation of mathematical formulas) in order for music to be applied science?"By concealing your desires, you may trick people into being cruel about the wrong thing." --Steven Aylett, Fain the Sorcerer
"You gotta get me to the tall corn." --David Mamet, Spartan
"Amateurs talk technology, professionals talk conditions." --(unknown)
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First, thank you for starting this thread. This is one that is truly up my alley. Keep in mind that my responses are from the physics end of science. There is a huge difference between the way a physicist thinks and the way a biologist thinks. True, we both follow the "scientific method", but that is where the similarities end.
Originally posted by MyopicJoe View PostThank you for your patience with my imprecise choice of words. I chose Applied Science simply because I had once heard the term Applied Mathematics (as opposed to Pure Mathematics).
Originally posted by MyopicJoe View PostOn a tangent, would you say art plays a role in the initial formation of a scientific hypothesis?
Originally posted by MyopicJoe View PostWould you say the work of scientists is free from ethical concerns, that they merely generate knowledge whose use / misuse is out of their hands?
Any idea can be used for good or for evil.
Originally posted by MyopicJoe View PostI can kinda see how Engineering is removed from Science. An engineer may learn a lot of scientific theories in school, but rarely do they use them in their work.
Originally posted by MyopicJoe View PostConcerning whether music is applied science or not, do musicians need to be fluent in mathematics (the writing and manipulation of mathematical formulas) in order for music to be applied science?
That being said, I find that of all the types of students who take intro physics, the musicians are the most qualified. There is something about studying music that opens the mind to studying physics. The biologists and pre-med students are the worst.
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Great discussion.
Anthropology is the study of humans as they are; applied anthropology would amount to the manipulation of cultures, which is now abhorred, but was once concerned civilizing*!Be Yourself. Everyone Else Is Taken!~ ~KaʻonohiʻulaʻokahōkūmiomioʻehikuSpreading the virus of ALOHA.Oh Chu. If only you could have seen what I've seen, with your eyes.
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Originally posted by acousticlady View PostIn some ways yes, in some ways no. How's that for an answer
There is something about studying music that opens the mind to studying physics.
Engineers are different animals. I did my graduate work at a primarily engineering school. We were the geeks of the school - our little theoretical physics group. We were completely separate from the engineers.
Originally posted by Kaonohi View Postapplied anthropology"By concealing your desires, you may trick people into being cruel about the wrong thing." --Steven Aylett, Fain the Sorcerer
"You gotta get me to the tall corn." --David Mamet, Spartan
"Amateurs talk technology, professionals talk conditions." --(unknown)
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I started my summer course today on the history of physics and the impacts of societies on the development of science. As part of the introduction, I used a lecture written by Richard Feynman in 1958 or so. This was a lecture given to the public called "The Value of Science". Very interesting reading for those inclined.
http://alexpetrov.com/memes/sci/value.html
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Originally posted by acousticlady View PostOriginally posted by MyopicJoeWould you say the work of scientists is free from ethical concerns, that they merely generate knowledge whose use / misuse is out of their hands?Greg
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Originally posted by KaonoihiRe: "Anthropology is the study of humans as they are; applied anthropology would amount to the manipulation of cultures, which is now abhorred, but was once concerned civilizing*! "Originally posted by MyopicJoe View PostHahaha. What a wonderful example of dry humor...though I'm sure some people used it in a dreadfully serious manner.
Joe, thanks. Yes, it is used in a dreadfully serious manner daily, from Hitler to Teabags to Patriots.
Change the beliefs and you change the culture. I was thinking (Hawaiian style) missionaries, and wasn't up-to-date with politics.
Left Side = Right Side*(From an old Connecticut Interstate Highway sign on I-95, saying, in effect: "Do not pass on the right." I wonder how this relates to our current political turmoil?)
Right Side = Suicide*
Little did we know in those golden days of the early 60's what Left and Right would mean in the future, how liberal and conservative would change our world.
And how we would be manipulated by "Applied Anthropolitics."
Jimmy Morrison may have been right: "This is the End."Be Yourself. Everyone Else Is Taken!~ ~KaʻonohiʻulaʻokahōkūmiomioʻehikuSpreading the virus of ALOHA.Oh Chu. If only you could have seen what I've seen, with your eyes.
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