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    Was overhearing this story while shopping this evening. I don't know all of the details at this time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    One of the local cable channels is doing a live feed from NHK news in Tokyo, I can pick out a few words here & there having taken Japanese 25 years ago. This situation is incredibly sad, its frightening.

    I am concerned for the whole Pacific basin if there is a serious meltdown. I wish some reporters would find out what danger a melt down would pose to the Pacific, the currents, air and sea, I am serious--will it be safe to even go in the ocean? Will fishing be over for the rest of our lifetimes? We need to know. Hawai'i needs to know, for sure.
    While having any amount of radation escaping is bad I suspect that the fallout from exploding nuclear weapons is much worse and we are still around.
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    Will it be safe to even go in the ocean? Yes
    Will fishing be over for the rest of our lifetimes? No

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    A problem seems to have developed in the spent fuel rods ponds, quite a bit of cooling water seems to have drained off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helen View Post
    While having any amount of radiation escaping is bad I suspect that the fallout from exploding nuclear weapons is much worse and we are still around.
    RIGHTO! The bright side of this cataclysm is that it just may jumpstart the Japanese economy. I'll soon be sending some of my investment funds to promote that aim.
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    Last night for a few minutes on the news they were reporting that the crew at the plant was abandoning it. The vision of tons of spent fuel rods burning in the open, coming to critical mass and exploding, sending plumes of radioactive poison high into the jet stream, scared the *&%$ out of me. I started looking for flights to Miami, then to Caracas, then to Rio. Then they reported that the workers had left for only a temporary evacuation. This would be a great job for robots. I mean given that the job ever has to be done in the first place. Robots to hook piping to fuel rod pools and pump water directly from the ocean, robots to bring in pumps and begin cooling the reactors again. And where is it written that the spent fuel rods have to be stored together where they can heat each other up with radiation? How hard would it have been to separate them into smaller groupings and separate them with lead or boron or whatever it takes to neutralize fission? Live and learn. It is very bad news for Japan but it appears that there probably will not be venting high enough into the atmosphere to hit No. America or Hawai'i. I have never been to Rio. It might be nice to vacation there for a couple of weeks. Or months. Maybe longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    Robots

    It is very bad news for Japan but it appears that there probably will not be venting high enough into the atmosphere to hit No. America or Hawai'i.
    I was hoping they would bust out the robot army for this one...

    Supposedly, Hawaii is out of the air current from Japan, but N. America could catch some as it archs over.

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    NY Times story about the 50 workers who remain working to control the plant:

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    It's doubtful another country could match the resolve and orderly manner in which the Japanese have behaved so far. Mega credit, lets hope it remains as things get worse.

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    I realize this is a very general question, but how are people of Japanese ancestry in Hawai'i coping with this tragedy? How is the general population of Hawai'i dealing with it, if you can generalize?

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    wwitv.com/tv_channels/6810.htm

    Live feed in English from NHK World News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    How is the general population of Hawai'i dealing with it, if you can generalize?
    With that passive mind set of Russian roulette. We won again, no worries...
    We know our time will come, til then we just cruise and hope for the best, thinking the day after I die would be best for that occurance.

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    Sorry I didn't point this out in my previous post, but this event was NO accident.
    Last edited by salmoned; March 17th, 2011 at 09:48 PM.
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    Can you expand a little on that, please?

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    Default dodged yet another bullet!

    Twist of fate decision that saved '09 Miss Hawaii's life http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...ged_Japan.html

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    After several days of fairly optimistic reports authorities are now saying that reactor 3 may have a breached containment vessel, meaning there may be a large release of radiation. They cannot be sure, but the very high levels of radiation in water that injured workers at the plant suggests that a breach may have happened. On the optimistic side again, we are assured there will probably be no Chernobyl type explosion. Fukushima has been called the world's largest nuclear power plant. There is a serious error in locating several reactors close to each other, if one contaminates the area it makes it very difficult to control the others. I am not a religious type but if I were I would be praying now.

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    I may be overreacting but to me, the Fukushima situation is really the only news story in the world worth paying attention to. Ordinarily starting a war in Libya would command my attention but with plutonium appearing in the ground at Fukushima, with reactors still not under control, with radioactive water, and God only knows what else, paying attention to Libya or to terrorism or even to the economy is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I don't have a clue what a reasonable solution would be. Maybe like the Russians at Chernobyl, just bury the things under mountains of concrete and boron. Tokyo Electric seems to have blown off warnings from geologists about the potential for big earthquakes and tsunamis, they admit to having built the plant in an area too susceptible to tsunamis. Oh well, who ever could have foreseen a 9.0 earthquake right offshore. Again I may be overreacting but I fear what this disaster could mean for the human race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    Maybe like the Russians at Chernobyl, just bury the things under mountains of concrete and boron.

    Oh well, who ever could have foreseen a 9.0 earthquake right offshore.
    I've said that for 2 weeks, the thing has been in various stages of out of control from the beginning.

    At least one seashore village took the old folks tales to heart and did what they knew to do when the quake hit, RUN, 90% survived certain death.

    This will cripple Japan beyond what they suffered in the first half of the 20th century unless a historic miracle of sensible innovation occurs, many are doomed as it is.

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    Crisis does not appear to be abating yet. Plant Manager is in the hospital, supposedly with hypertension. Betcha it's radiation sickness in reality.

    Plutonium, Cesium, Iodine, leaking into the ocean, land, water, food, systems.
    4 of 6 reactors to be shut down eventually due to seawater usage for cooling. Basically ruined the facilities. They say 18k dead from the quake/tsunami. But in 5 years I bet that number becomes over 100k due to radiation.

    Nuclear Power is such a bad idea. There are no valid, intellectual arguments to support nuclear energy, especially in the face of SO MANY useful, viable, cost effective alternatives.
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    There is so much frustrating misinformation being spread about this. I have stopped paying attention to American news coverage because of all the inaccuracies they've made on this incident. It's not the end of the world. It's not Chernobyl. I won't deny the seriousness of the situation but I'm not going to play into the hysteria.

    I'm going to Japan in June. I'm going to breathe the air and drink the water and eat the fish. And I'm going to be just fine. (Not to mention, I'll be 300 miles away from Tokyo, in Kobe, but try telling my family that *sigh* )

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    Quote Originally Posted by timkona View Post
    ...Nuclear Power is such a bad idea. There are no valid, intellectual arguments to support nuclear energy, especially in the face of SO MANY useful, viable, cost effective alternatives.
    I see it as no better and no worse than other options out there. How many people die annually from pollution related illnesses due to oil and coal? How many coal miners die every year? There are coal seam fires that have burned for decades, ie Centralia, PA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    I see it as no better and no worse than other options out there.
    You must not have too many years of 'seeing' racked up yet. We've merely been lucky so far in toying with nuke roulette, and eventually the round will be chambered.

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    Coal, Oil, and Nukes.....Really Josh?

    Are you 85 years old or something? My goodness gracious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    Oh well, who ever could have foreseen a 9.0 earthquake right offshore.
    Not to minimize your comments, but all around the Pacific Ocean we have been dodging bullets for hundreds of years - hundreds!

    Who expected that tidal wave in Indonesia? Geologists knew there was a major subduction zone there, and it's the subduction zones that make the biggest quakes.

    Now, let's see, where is there another major subduction zone that has been too quiet for too long? My goodness! Right off the Northwest coast of the USA! There are legends among the NW coast Indians about the Thunderbird..... Some researchers have tied it to the massive quakes and subsequent tidal waves of past centuries, and figure it's just a matter of time until it comes again.

    Check out these sites:
    Cascadia
    Earthquake 3

    They talk of shaking ground, trees being torn out by their roots and rising waters.

    Sound familiar?

    Those of you up in the NW, don't get seashore property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    Those of you up in the NW, don't get seashore property.
    I hope the property I do have in Seattle doesn't become seashore property someday.

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    While I do not want to make light of the problems surrounding the nuclear accident in Japan, I do want to point out that the sky is not falling either. The primary radioactive particles that are making it all the way over to Hawaii and the mainland is Iodine - 131. This isotope has a half-life of about 8 days. That's days, not thousands of years! So, if 1,000,000 atoms are released, in just over 1 week only 500,000 will still be radioactive. in 2 weeks, 250,000 will be. 3 weeks, 125,000 and so on. What this means is the major hazards associated with iodine - 131 dissipates by half every week.

    As to the dangers - The primary danger with iodine - 131 is from beta decay (the release of very energetic electrons) that can easily be stopped before penetrating the body. It is this part of the decay reaction that is associated with thyroid cancer. However, many of you have voluntarily put this very same radioactive isotope into your bodies. It is the primary isotope used in medical imaging. You know that stuff you have to drink before a test?????

    I always start my intro lecture to nuclear reactions with a little thought game. There are 3 types of radiation - alpha, beta and gamma. Alpha radiation is an energetic helium nucleus, beta radiation is an energetic electron and gamma radiation is a high frequency (more energetic) "particle" of light. Now imagine you are given three radioactive cookies. One is emitting alpha radiation, one is emitting beta radiation and the third is emitting gamma radiation. Which one would you hold in your hand? Which one would you put in your pocket and which one would you eat?

    The joke is, you would hold the alpha cookie in your hand - alpha particles are much too large to get through your skin. You would put the beta cookie in your pocket because the beta particles will be absorbed by the cloth of your clothes. And you would eat the gamma cookie because, frankly, nothing stops gamma rays so it doesn't really matter

    Lesson on the trace amounts of plutonium will be the next lecture

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