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    No BS. No extraneous double-talk. And no excuses. Here's the deal, plain and simple.

    UH needs to win against Tulane and BYU, which would earn the Warriors a Hawaii Bowl berth.

    Tulane, with a 2-10 record, is even more downtrodden than UH. But pulling off an upset against BYU (standing at 8-3 following today's 42-7 trouncing of New Mexico St.) is going to be a tall order.

    But just getting to the Hawaii Bowl won't be enough to save the coach's skin. UH has to win it. After going 0-2 in previous Hawaii Bowl appearances under Mack, he gets no mulligan this time around.

    I'm not holding my breath with the expectation that the Warriors will win all these games. Thus starts the Greg MacMackin era deathwatch.
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    I think it's a safe guess that Frankie wasn't happy that the Warriors lost yesterday to Fresno State.
    Probably because Fresno State came into the came with a horrible 3-7 record.
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    tick tock...

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    The poll on the SA's website today is whether or not McMackin should be fired. You don't have to be a subscriber to the website to vote, and I think voting stays open until 4pm.
    When I voted a couple of hours ago there were already about 400 votes, with 74% voting to fire him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    The poll on the SA's website today is whether or not McMackin should be fired. You don't have to be a subscriber to the website to vote, and I think voting stays open until 4pm.
    When I voted a couple of hours ago there were already about 400 votes, with 74% voting to fire him.
    900 votes now and it's not even noon. Still over 71% voting to fire him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    900 votes now and it's not even noon. Still over 71% voting to fire him.
    1:47 p.m. update: more than 1,000 votes, with the percentage to fire McMackin holding steady at an overwhelming 71%. In an earlier thread, Ron Whitfield questioned whether McMackin’s removal was a good idea, in spite of some compelling strikes against him. I think today’s Star-Advertiser outlines the big picture.

    Forecast sees red for UH athletics

    Unexpected losses by the football team have hurt revenue

    By Ferd Lewis
    POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Nov 22, 2011

    ...the Warriors, who suffered a series of upsets, are 5-6 with two games remaining, have no chance to win the conference and won't qualify for a berth in the Sheraton Hawaii Bowl if they fail to win both.

    The Warriors are averaging 29,011 through the Aloha Stadium turnstiles, and if the final figure dips below 28,000, it would represent the lowest point since the 0-12 season of 1998.

    We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

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    USA TODAY, page 2A
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    And the prospective great green hope is...?

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    If this is true, then the program is in big trouble and it doesn't matter who is the coach:

    http://www.kitv.com/news/29836568/detail.html

    As for boosting attendence. You wonder if that has to do with poor economy, lack of interest, etc. Bringing in a coach that can help boost that attendance and bring in top recruits, which translate into a winning record is not always an easy thing to do.

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    HPD is saying that there's not enough information to open a criminal investigation into the allegations of point shaving on the part of UH. But of course, that doesn't mean that the FBI cannot do its own investigation if our local boys in blue are on the take going to look the other way. Some offshore sportsbooks have seemingly drawn their own conclusions by taking the upcoming UH-Tulane game off the board.

    UH not being able to cover the spread in 5 of their last 6 games. Blowing 4th quarter leads in 3 of those games (vs. SJSU, Utah State, and Fresno State). And who can forget the 3 failed extra point attempts against Washington (one of them returned by UW for 2 points), all of which turned what should have been the Warriors covering a 4 point spread into an 8 point loss.

    Very strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    And the prospective great green hope is...?
    Can't think of any viable candidate, Ron?

    Right off the top of my head, an excellent candidate is Navy coach Ken Niumatalolo. His Hawaii ties are strong. Radford High star. Starting UH QB. Got his start in coaching as a grad assistant on Bob Wagner's staff. Later taken under the wing of Paul Johnson, which eventually led to Niumatalolo's current gig at Navy.

    Niumatalolo is Laie native and a LDS member, which would help UH attract more of the kids from Kahuku. The fact that he is the only current NCAA head coach of Samoan descent will also likely help UH when it comes to the very fertile recruiting grounds of American Samoa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Can't think of any viable candidate, Ron?
    That's one, and a good one, but do you think he'd take the job for under or even equal what they pay Mac? Would you be willing to see him paid his prospective worth? Think he'd take a big pay hit with grace the way Mac has?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    That's one, and a good one, but do you think he'd take the job for under or even equal what they pay Mac? Would you be willing to see him paid his prospective worth? Think he'd take a big pay hit with grace the way Mac has?
    I'm all in for a UH coach in any sport to be the highest paid among their peers in the conference.... as long as there is a reciprocal result in the team's performance. Mac was the highest paid football coach in the WAC since he took over the reins 4 years ago. And during that time span, the Warriors have not responded with anything even remotely close to being the top team in the WAC. Simply put,.... the man has not earned his money. I don't know about you, but in my line of work, that kind of performance means someone is going to lose his job, and soon. The UHAD is not a soup kitchen.

    If Ken has ambitions of coaching at a BCS school, then of course, UH won't be able to match whatever salary is offered. But not every coach maps out their career chasing the almighty dollar, everything else be damned. June Jones passed up higher paying NFL jobs to come to Manoa. This, despite the fact that he only played in the UH program for a couple of seasons before transferring out to Portland St. OTOH, Ken has infinitely deeper islands roots than June. Besides everything that I mentioned in my previous post about Ken's island connections, there's family considerations as well. According to Ken's bio, his daughter attends BYUH. You can't place a dollar value on spending more time with your children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    the man has not earned his money.

    UH won't be able to match whatever BCS salary is offered.

    But not every coach maps out their career chasing the almighty dollar, everything else be damned.

    You can't place a dollar value on spending more time with your children.
    That's ludicris.

    Then where are we going with Warrior football, condemed to the kiddie go-round?

    That coach's name would also be... McMackin.

    How old are his 'kids'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    That's ludicris.

    Then where are we going with Warrior football, condemed to the kiddie go-round?

    That coach's name would also be... McMackin.

    How old are his 'kids'?
    I'm sorry, sir. You have the wrong location. This is not the Greg McMackin admiration society.

    The thread you are looking for is over here.

    You're welcome. And the best of success with wherever you and your ilk end up next year. Hey, maybe a reunion with JJ over at SMU.
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    OK, if that's the best ya got...

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    We are talking about the $1,100,000 per year Coach McMackin?

    Think of what that first #1 could do for the homeless, education, etc.

    Instead we spend it on ego and entertainment.

    DIE Coach McMackin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    We are talking about the $1,100,000 per year Coach McMackin?
    Think of what that first #1 could do for the homeless, education, etc.
    Instead we spend it on ego and entertainment.
    DIE Coach McMackin!
    He accepted a big hit to that agreement a year ago to the tune of around a quarter mil, putting him substantially below most similar caliber schools, and seriously below many others.
    If we kill the coach's pay, we kill the sport. If we kill Warrior football as cash cow, we probably kill the school overall. Is that where you want to go?
    Say that's what happens, do you think a penny saved would go to the causes you mentioned?
    Say the team was world class and coach's pay was 2 mil, then what?
    If we'd kept June we'd be stupid not to be paying at least 1 1/2 mil., if we get a replacement for Mac, we'll be looking at that much for a winner, and everybody close to the team says it's a good machine that's having a bad run and will recover, so... long live The Mac!

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    I would vote not to fire the coach. Aren't we just a year removed from sharing the WAC title? I'm not going to make the case that this has been an especially fruitful run for the UHM football team, but Coach Mac's first year was cursed by injuries, must as this season has been. I'm not saying that a good coach shouldn't be able to survive a few major injuries; however, I think it's too early to dump the guy so soon after the WAC title.

    As for replacements, Niumatalolo is a good choice. The power of alma mater as a draw cannot be overestimated. I might also consider promoting from within. How about Rich Miano?
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    He was also cursed for years by June's recruiting lull, that was a huge deficit to hurdle. This was the first year back to normal and adds to the frustration of faliures. Coach has to pull off 2 more wins or the tide of tears will wash him out.

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    Ohio State just hired Urban Meyer as coach, a six-year contract at $4 million per year, plus another $2.5 million in incentives and bonuses.
    So McMackin isn't as good as Meyer, but at $1 million that makes him only 1/4 as good as Meyer?

    Also, I understand the business side of college sports, but still... these guys are making this kind of money to teach kids to throw around a ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    these guys are making this kind of money to teach kids to throw around a ball.
    That's the small picture. They get that kind of $$ to keep the bigger $$$ flowing into the corrupt system most huge schools thrive on.
    And at the respective pay rates of Meyer vs Mac, it's more like 6/7 to 1. We got a good deal with Mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    If we kill the coach's pay, we kill the sport. If we kill Warrior football as cash cow, we probably kill the school overall.
    I agree. The problem is,... finding a coach who is deserving of being the top-paid coach in our conference. McMackin does not fit the bill. From a W-L standpoint, from an attendance standpoint, Mac strikes out. The Tulane game attracted a sparse 27,411. Only the opening game (against Colorado) was the team able to draw more than 35,000.

    Keeping Mac amounts to a slow kill for the Warrior football program.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    so... long live The Mac!
    I say,... long live UH football.... with a better coaching staff than what we have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    That's the small picture. They get that kind of $$ to keep the bigger $$$ flowing into the corrupt system most huge schools thrive on.
    Any particular reason you didn't quote my whole sentence? What I said was this:

    I understand the business side of college sports, but still... these guys are making this kind of money to teach kids to throw around a ball.

    Your quoting only the last half half of my sentence was inappropriate.
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    Lika, I was merely commenting with a nod to your post and not selecting anything out of context for any particular reason, it's all in the thread for all to see.

    FM, the attendance attitude was set in game 1 where we started off with a good enuf crowd and took it to Colorado, then as the wheels came off, so did the crowd. They'll return if we put a credible team on the field, no matter who the coach is. Your dismissal of Coach Mac doesn't reflect what more attuned minds say. He's got solid backing from those in/around the game.
    But it'd be great if the masses come out in force for the BYU game, we need the extra man.

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