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    Be part of worthy American values and help say adios to the piggish spokesperson for the nasty extreme right;
    http://leftaction.com/action/tell-re...s-slut-comment

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    Aren't Limbaugh dislikers already boycotting him by not listening to his program? I don't get campaigns like this.
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    What you do get, whether you recognize it or not, is an unacceptable level of sheer hate, deception/obfuscation, and outright lies, aired constantly on a national level and used subliminally elsewhere. It negatively effects every part of our lives, and he's too powerful/influential in pursuading others into thinking hate and substantially damaging ugly unAmerican attitudes are OK. McCarthy needed to be taken down, and so does McRush. He has now issued yet more of this lying hate masked as an apology. Free speech? He can say all he wants, spewing it on the street corners of his choice. So far, 12 sponsers have seen fit to remove their product from the contamination of his brand. More is needed. Sign, or promote hate.

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    Good hearing KPUA is yanking el piggo off their sched, must not be a Clear Channel station.

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    Seriously? Sign or promote hate? Those are my two options?
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    That wasn't nice of Rush Limppaw to name call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    Seriously? Sign or promote hate? Those are my two options?
    Your choice I know what I did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    Seriously? Sign or promote hate? Those are my two options?
    Then I'm interested in what other alternative option you suggest and are taking.
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    Matapule, you know I respect you. But there has to be room in this place for more than "agree with me, or support those I disagree with." I can refuse to sign a petition for a million reasons that have nothing to do with ideally OR practically supporting Limbaugh. First, how about the possibility that boycotts are stupid? I've mentioned on HT before that I find it puzzling that people think petitions are the least bit useful. Second, how about supporting a much more important principle?

    I am no Limbaugh fan, but I can tolerate his existence without supporting him or his message. As I have also said multiple times on HT, tolerance isn't tolerance if we only extend it to those whose messages we can stomach. If we believe in tolerance (and I do), we have to tolerate the distasteful people as much as the tasteful; we have to tolerate the intolerant as much as we tolerate the tolerant.

    And third: By framing an argument as all-or-nothing "those who are not with us are against us," aren't we using the same dichotomous propaganda methods as those we're supposedly trying to disagree with? I might disagree 100% with what Limabaugh is saying, but I can support his right to say what he wants without supporting his message in any way. The fact that I refuse to put my name on a piece of paper telling him he's an idiot in no way implies that I don't think he's an idiot.

    It's ironic, is it not, that someone who mused just days ago that Republican supporters seem to have abandoned HT is now drawing a line in the ideological sand and accusing those of us who don't cross it as being on the other side? When one is playing the discourse game with weapons like that, there is no wiggle room, no room for reasonable coexistence. And those of us who long for reason find it harder and harder to negotiate the shrinking wiggle room. Easier just to skip these threads and write about Twilight Zone.

    But you know what I say about that? If you don't love Twilight Zone, you support Rush Limbaugh.
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    Sounds like a recent kerfuffle in Canada, where the Safety Minister (Vic Toews) proposed legislation that would allow authorities dramatic new powers to monitor the online habits of Canadian citizens. In Parliament, when an opponent of the bill said it was "untenable," Minister Toews' response to that MP was “He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.”

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    And that's exactly what's been happening in political dialogue this past couple of years. A certain (loud) sector of the Republican party paints the President as the devil. Well, when you get elected promising not to shake hands with the devil and all you care about is getting reelected, you can't compromise or else you've made a deal with the devil. You could hear it in many of the veteran GOP Congressmen's words: there was a weariness with this whole "with me or with the devil" spirit. Congress was never supposed to work this way and in fact that's what happened last spring and last summer—it didn't work.
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    scrivner, I love your replys, as I fully concur with all you said, even the irony aspect. I probably couldn't have said it any better. But there comes a time when tolerance has to be reeled in a bit. Just as I mentioned McCarthy, he was tolerated for a long time but finally went too far and essentially cut his own line. This is what's happened to rush, and it's time to take away his poisonous mic. Of course that won't shut him up, just the opposite, but the message of sensible limits must be sent to those who think anything is going to be allowed over national airwaves. People like the very elevated and protected rush are gutless, and easily tamed if done properly, without trampling on rights or that many privleges.
    Rest assurred, while I take hard lines against extremists, most of my posts are laced with tounge in cheekiness. Many don't pick up on my style of humour, especially in written form, and that's OK. You make good arguments, scriv, I hope to hear more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    But there has to be room in this place for more than "agree with me, or support those I disagree with."
    I agree. I was sincerely interested in your approach which you amply explained in your response. It is called dialog by which we exchange ideas, information, and opinions.

    I might disagree 100% with what Limabaugh is saying, but I can support his right to say what he wants without supporting his message in any way. The fact that I refuse to put my name on a piece of paper telling him he's an idiot in no way implies that I don't think he's an idiot.
    All very true and I don't disagree, but there comes the philosophical question of when someone goes too far. There were many isolationists in the US during the '30's (including Charles Lindberg and Henry Ford) until the psychopath in Germany went too far. Then there is the likes of Saddam Hussein who the Bush Administration said went too far. I AM NOT comparing Limbarf to either H, but at some point people may go too far. Has Limbarf gone too far? Some well intentioned people say yes and some wll intentioned people say no. I interpret your response as saying "no" he hasn't gone too far so that you want to get involved and that is your perfect right (but I am frequently wrong about my presumptions, so I could be wrong again). But it is Ron's perfect right to think that Limbarf has gone too far. So where is the argument? You both have the right to think as you do. The fact that you disagree with Ron or Ron disagrees with you, doesn't make either one of you right or wrong. Perhaps one day Limbarf will go too far in your opinion and you will join the call for his censure. But that decision is up to you, Scrivner, and you will decide what is right for you - not Ron, - and not me.

    I listen to Limbarf once or twice a year to see who his sponsors are. I choose not to spend my money with his sponsors nor any of the businesses the Koch Brothers own. Do they miss my business? No, not in the least, but it makes me feel better. As far as Limbarf is concerned, I don't care if he lives or if he dies (figuratively speaking), I just don't care about him. I do care about those millions of listeners (including some of my relatives) who follow him blindly and take his "talent on loan from God" seriously.
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    37, that's right, so far 37 corporate sponsers have pulled away from the stench of dying pork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    I choose not to spend my money with his sponsors nor any of the businesses the Koch Brothers own. Do they miss my business? No, not in the least, but it makes me feel better.
    Now, those are more effective steps than signing or circulating a petition, which often does little more than satisfy some signers' need to feel they are doing something (see "slacktivism.")

    If you withhold your dollars from his sponsors or from Koch Brothers' businesses (see below), the effect is tiny; if both you and I are cautious about how we spend our money, the effect is still tiny, but slightly less so; if we help educate and convince thousands of similarly-minded citizens to do the same, the effect becomes noticeable.

    Don't focus so much on online petitions - educate your fellow citizens. (If folks don't know who the Koch Brothers are and how they influence American politics, I hope they will do the research - but here is a list of which products provide them with their dollars, if you choose to avoid them.)

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    Petitioning is a matter of instigating attention, education, and involvement, just as much as proving mass demand on a subject. It helps garner what you mentioned.

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    A couple of comments:

    1) Just as it was with Dr. Laura, this is not a freedom of speech issue. The constitution allows Rush to say whatever he wants. But it does not obligate anyone from having to sponsor his show. Any company that airs commercial spots during his program, in effect, finances Rush's nationwide platform. Being associated with Rush's vile sentiments towards Sandra Fluke is bad for business. Plain and simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    By framing an argument as all-or-nothing "those who are not with us are against us," aren't we using the same dichotomous propaganda methods as those we're supposedly trying to disagree with? I might disagree 100% with what Limabaugh is saying, but I can support his right to say what he wants without supporting his message in any way. The fact that I refuse to put my name on a piece of paper telling him he's an idiot in no way implies that I don't think he's an idiot.
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    2) Your points here are well taken, Scriv.

    Kind of reminds me of the story of Robespierre. Like the man who had become an even worse tyrant than the one he overthrew, those who take an extremist position against others for having an intolerant attitude are often the last ones to recognize how far they themselves have fallen down the same slippery slope.
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    I liked the fairness doctrine. That kept station owners from loading the public airwaves with all one opinion. Radio was a lot more interesting and a lot more popular then. While its true that programming for right wing listeners draws in right wing listeners it alienates everybody else--why would I, a lefty, ever listen to AM where all I ever hear is me and people like Franklin Roosevelt and John Kennedy and Harry Truman and Bill Clinton likened to Satan. Combine the end of the fairness doctrine with turning the radio industry over to monopolists, who could only make their numbers work by eliminating the key ingredients that made radio interesting (immediacy, local interest, etc) and you have an industry that has become a mouthpiece for and only for the Republican Party. So every station that goes out of business is a step in the right direction, every station that drops English and starts streaming some LA iglesia or something from Seoul or Mexico City is a step in the right direction. Having just one point of view broadcast in Germany under Goebbels and in the former USSR didn't work out for them and it isn't working out here, either. Its a self limiting disease, they are eliminating their customer base. Fine with me.

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    42 sponsers at last count have yanked their advertising, and now the slime might be wiped off a support monolith; http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...orces-network/

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    Ron, you're getting so excited about sponsors pulling their ads but how many of those sponsors have actually CANCELLED their ad contracts? Thats what really counts. Pulling their ads right now and then quietly starting up again in a few months when all the furor has died down doesn't really make any difference now does it?
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    Nothing this big happens overnite, and as I stated previously, some will temporarily/cosmetically do the right thing and then stealthfully return to the nasty fold, it's typical business as usual for many. But this time it might be different, with so many ending the relationship el piggo is cornered, and his kind can't keep from squealing louder and louder. The hotter the flames, the more the bacon sizzles, and his damage control now will be to say even more damaging crap, he can't help himself. He's so full of himself he going to bust if the pressure continues to mount. And if nothing else, it'll take him off message and make him look stupid even in the loving eyes of his denialist crazies for a long time. How delicious that nothing good will come from this mess he's created, it's all bad for him, and may be his waterloo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anapuni808 View Post
    [...] Pulling their ads right now and then quietly starting up again in a few months when all the furor has died down doesn't really make any difference now does it?
    Exactly! My concern is that there's been some kind of agreement made with the initial advertisers who pulled out that if Limbaugh apologizes, no matter how disingenuous it is, the advertisers will return after a pre-determined cool down period. And, possibly, that same agreement is being offered to other advertisers...maybe even with reduced advertising rates for a pre-determined amount of time. Just thinking out loud...

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    oooooooo, right wing conspiracy theories including corporate intrigue, getting juicier by the moment!

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    As long as Rush has ratings, he can get sponsors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tutusue View Post
    Just thinking out loud...
    Tutu, speaking of thinking out loud, whatever happened to Margaret and her sidekick on youtube?
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