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    Be part of worthy American values and help say adios to the piggish spokesperson for the nasty extreme right;
    http://leftaction.com/action/tell-re...s-slut-comment
    https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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    Aren't Limbaugh dislikers already boycotting him by not listening to his program? I don't get campaigns like this.
    But I'm disturbed! I'm depressed! I'm inadequate! I GOT IT ALL! (George Costanza)
    GrouchyTeacher.com

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    • #3
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      What you do get, whether you recognize it or not, is an unacceptable level of sheer hate, deception/obfuscation, and outright lies, aired constantly on a national level and used subliminally elsewhere. It negatively effects every part of our lives, and he's too powerful/influential in pursuading others into thinking hate and substantially damaging ugly unAmerican attitudes are OK. McCarthy needed to be taken down, and so does McRush. He has now issued yet more of this lying hate masked as an apology. Free speech? He can say all he wants, spewing it on the street corners of his choice. So far, 12 sponsers have seen fit to remove their product from the contamination of his brand. More is needed. Sign, or promote hate.
      https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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      • #4
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        Good hearing KPUA is yanking el piggo off their sched, must not be a Clear Channel station.
        https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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        • #5
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          Seriously? Sign or promote hate? Those are my two options?
          But I'm disturbed! I'm depressed! I'm inadequate! I GOT IT ALL! (George Costanza)
          GrouchyTeacher.com

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          • #6
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            That wasn't nice of Rush Limppaw to name call.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by scrivener View Post
              Seriously? Sign or promote hate? Those are my two options?
              Your choice I know what I did!
              https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by scrivener View Post
                Seriously? Sign or promote hate? Those are my two options?
                Then I'm interested in what other alternative option you suggest and are taking.
                Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

                People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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                • #9
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                  Matapule, you know I respect you. But there has to be room in this place for more than "agree with me, or support those I disagree with." I can refuse to sign a petition for a million reasons that have nothing to do with ideally OR practically supporting Limbaugh. First, how about the possibility that boycotts are stupid? I've mentioned on HT before that I find it puzzling that people think petitions are the least bit useful. Second, how about supporting a much more important principle?

                  I am no Limbaugh fan, but I can tolerate his existence without supporting him or his message. As I have also said multiple times on HT, tolerance isn't tolerance if we only extend it to those whose messages we can stomach. If we believe in tolerance (and I do), we have to tolerate the distasteful people as much as the tasteful; we have to tolerate the intolerant as much as we tolerate the tolerant.

                  And third: By framing an argument as all-or-nothing "those who are not with us are against us," aren't we using the same dichotomous propaganda methods as those we're supposedly trying to disagree with? I might disagree 100% with what Limabaugh is saying, but I can support his right to say what he wants without supporting his message in any way. The fact that I refuse to put my name on a piece of paper telling him he's an idiot in no way implies that I don't think he's an idiot.

                  It's ironic, is it not, that someone who mused just days ago that Republican supporters seem to have abandoned HT is now drawing a line in the ideological sand and accusing those of us who don't cross it as being on the other side? When one is playing the discourse game with weapons like that, there is no wiggle room, no room for reasonable coexistence. And those of us who long for reason find it harder and harder to negotiate the shrinking wiggle room. Easier just to skip these threads and write about Twilight Zone.

                  But you know what I say about that? If you don't love Twilight Zone, you support Rush Limbaugh.
                  But I'm disturbed! I'm depressed! I'm inadequate! I GOT IT ALL! (George Costanza)
                  GrouchyTeacher.com

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                  • #10
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                    Sounds like a recent kerfuffle in Canada, where the Safety Minister (Vic Toews) proposed legislation that would allow authorities dramatic new powers to monitor the online habits of Canadian citizens. In Parliament, when an opponent of the bill said it was "untenable," Minister Toews' response to that MP was “He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.”

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                    • #11
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                      And that's exactly what's been happening in political dialogue this past couple of years. A certain (loud) sector of the Republican party paints the President as the devil. Well, when you get elected promising not to shake hands with the devil and all you care about is getting reelected, you can't compromise or else you've made a deal with the devil. You could hear it in many of the veteran GOP Congressmen's words: there was a weariness with this whole "with me or with the devil" spirit. Congress was never supposed to work this way and in fact that's what happened last spring and last summer—it didn't work.
                      But I'm disturbed! I'm depressed! I'm inadequate! I GOT IT ALL! (George Costanza)
                      GrouchyTeacher.com

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                      • #12
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                        scrivner, I love your replys, as I fully concur with all you said, even the irony aspect. I probably couldn't have said it any better. But there comes a time when tolerance has to be reeled in a bit. Just as I mentioned McCarthy, he was tolerated for a long time but finally went too far and essentially cut his own line. This is what's happened to rush, and it's time to take away his poisonous mic. Of course that won't shut him up, just the opposite, but the message of sensible limits must be sent to those who think anything is going to be allowed over national airwaves. People like the very elevated and protected rush are gutless, and easily tamed if done properly, without trampling on rights or that many privleges.
                        Rest assurred, while I take hard lines against extremists, most of my posts are laced with tounge in cheekiness. Many don't pick up on my style of humour, especially in written form, and that's OK. You make good arguments, scriv, I hope to hear more.
                        https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by scrivener View Post
                          But there has to be room in this place for more than "agree with me, or support those I disagree with."
                          I agree. I was sincerely interested in your approach which you amply explained in your response. It is called dialog by which we exchange ideas, information, and opinions.

                          I might disagree 100% with what Limabaugh is saying, but I can support his right to say what he wants without supporting his message in any way. The fact that I refuse to put my name on a piece of paper telling him he's an idiot in no way implies that I don't think he's an idiot.
                          All very true and I don't disagree, but there comes the philosophical question of when someone goes too far. There were many isolationists in the US during the '30's (including Charles Lindberg and Henry Ford) until the psychopath in Germany went too far. Then there is the likes of Saddam Hussein who the Bush Administration said went too far. I AM NOT comparing Limbarf to either H, but at some point people may go too far. Has Limbarf gone too far? Some well intentioned people say yes and some wll intentioned people say no. I interpret your response as saying "no" he hasn't gone too far so that you want to get involved and that is your perfect right (but I am frequently wrong about my presumptions, so I could be wrong again). But it is Ron's perfect right to think that Limbarf has gone too far. So where is the argument? You both have the right to think as you do. The fact that you disagree with Ron or Ron disagrees with you, doesn't make either one of you right or wrong. Perhaps one day Limbarf will go too far in your opinion and you will join the call for his censure. But that decision is up to you, Scrivner, and you will decide what is right for you - not Ron, - and not me.

                          I listen to Limbarf once or twice a year to see who his sponsors are. I choose not to spend my money with his sponsors nor any of the businesses the Koch Brothers own. Do they miss my business? No, not in the least, but it makes me feel better. As far as Limbarf is concerned, I don't care if he lives or if he dies (figuratively speaking), I just don't care about him. I do care about those millions of listeners (including some of my relatives) who follow him blindly and take his "talent on loan from God" seriously.
                          Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

                          People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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                          • #14
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                            37, that's right, so far 37 corporate sponsers have pulled away from the stench of dying pork.
                            https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by matapule View Post
                              I choose not to spend my money with his sponsors nor any of the businesses the Koch Brothers own. Do they miss my business? No, not in the least, but it makes me feel better.
                              Now, those are more effective steps than signing or circulating a petition, which often does little more than satisfy some signers' need to feel they are doing something (see "slacktivism.")

                              If you withhold your dollars from his sponsors or from Koch Brothers' businesses (see below), the effect is tiny; if both you and I are cautious about how we spend our money, the effect is still tiny, but slightly less so; if we help educate and convince thousands of similarly-minded citizens to do the same, the effect becomes noticeable.

                              Don't focus so much on online petitions - educate your fellow citizens. (If folks don't know who the Koch Brothers are and how they influence American politics, I hope they will do the research - but here is a list of which products provide them with their dollars, if you choose to avoid them.)

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