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    Getting really annoyed by all the cutting into the audio on TV with all these flood watches, warnings and storm warnings. I get it. It is raining, ALOT! Get the EFF off my TV, I have windows. I see it may flood. Then we get the warning not to drive through deep water. I think if you're that stupid some mechanical synthesized speech on TV warning isn't going to help. Go meet Mr. Darwin if you insist on entering your car in the Regatta.

    Today they cut into the Final Jeopardy and I had to find the answer on google.

    DIE GUY HAGI! DIE!

    Okay, I feel better now.

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    I don't know why you are blaming Guy Hagi for, he just reports the weather for Hawaii News Now (KHNL, KFVE and KGMB), he is not making the weather nor is in control of those storm warnings that are controlled by either Civil Defense (my first guess) or the National Weather Service (2nd guess), which would appear on the other channels as well that Guy Hagi doesn't report for.

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    I agree they're annoying but if they save even one life they're worth it. So my suggestion is to beep the two emergency alert signals then put the info into closed captioning across the bottom of the screen and leave the audio up on whatever program is on.
    And I really hate that mechanical voice!
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    I think it was Sunday night during The Good Wife when one such warning turned off the volume, had the automated voice and when it was over kept the volume off for a few minutes longer.

    I think the reason for the automated voice might be for blind, those who keep the TV on for background noise, or might be temporary away from viewing the TV at the moment.

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    The warnings are annoying for sure.
    Understand why they are there, but a better way to announce would be through the almost always same time commercials period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helen View Post
    I think it was Sunday night during The Good Wife when one such warning turned off the volume, had the automated voice and when it was over kept the volume off for a few minutes longer.

    I think the reason for the automated voice might be for blind, those who keep the TV on for background noise, or might be temporary away from viewing the TV at the moment.
    The same thing happened again tonight during the beginning of The Mentalist. The sound remained squelched for several minutes after the warning message was pau. I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to do that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    DIE GUY HAGI! DIE!
    Hagi has da powa to make it rain!

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    Fritz - what are you, about 12? So sorry you are inconvenienced by the storm warnings that are meant as public SAFETY aids, and to keep us informed. as for blaming Guy Hagi, thats just stupid! The warnings have nothing to do with him. Shame on you for your very childish and selfish statements.
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    The "duck farts" in the audio is what triggers any automated system that happens to be listening to the channel.

    The weather alerts are sent by the National Weather Service, but depending on what you have, they may be echoed by Department of Emergency managements (formerly Oahu Civil Defence).

    I too have been frustrated by the number of alerts that came out of this last event. I hardly got any sleep with the weather radio going off. Most of the time times it seems the only purpose of the alert was to extend a prior alert. I didn't seem to give any new information.

    One thing I found interesting is that KSSK didn't seem to forward the Sever Thunderstorm Warnings. That's the one that warned about hail. Since I believe they're the LP-1 for EAS (meaning that other stations monitor them for that signal), that seems significant.

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    Really, if you can't tell the Hagi remark was merely making sport you are extremely clueless and gullible. A little Hagi weather report pre-empted the first 5 minutes of Jeopardy two days in a row. Never saw such a brew-haha over a rainy day.

    And as for the,"if it saves one life", school of thought;I have one for you.

    Helmets required for pedestrians. Leave your house, helmet on or pay a fine. Because,if it saves one life it is worth it. IF IT SAVES ONE LIFE!!!!! IT IS WORTH IT!!!!!

    20 mph National speed limit! That would save many lives. Worth it?
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    You didn't mention anything in the original post about Guy Hagi doing a weather report that preempted whatever programing you was watching at the time.

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    Fritz - your remark, which could be construed as threatening, was directed at a public figure. Hagi is merely a TV weatherman, but he is a public figure. As such, that remark could be considered as "terroristic threatening". Not my concern of course - I was merely pointing out that your choice of words was a bit childish. No note of sarcasm was detected in your original posting nor did I search for one. I tend to take what people write at face value, as you should take my words. and, I have a habit of not continuing these type of discussions - I said what I had to say in my original posting. Since you have been lurking here on HT for a few years now, you should be well aware of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    The warnings are annoying for sure.
    Understand why they are there, but a better way to announce would be through the almost always same time commercials period.
    In an ideal world, MM,.....

    But in the real world we live in, emergencies and weather conditions aren't so "cooperative." When a tsunami alert is triggered, people in at-risk areas will need every minute of advance warning time to prepare themselves. Holding off on sounding an alert for 5 minutes just to get to commercial time may not seem like a big deal to you, but it can make a heckuva lot of difference to the people who are directly affected.

    And is waiting for "commercial time" even practical, seeing as how there are literally dozens and dozens of channels running on a typical cable/satellite system, all running commercials at different times.

    Just the fact that the merits of the Emergency Alert System are being debated in this forum,.... man, where have our priorities gone to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Just the fact that the merits of the Emergency Alert System are being debated in this forum,.... man, where have our priorities gone to?
    My issue was with the number of alerts that carried NO additional information, just an extension of a prior alert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    So my suggestion is to beep the two emergency alert signals then put the info into closed captioning across the bottom of the screen and leave the audio up on whatever program is on.
    The problem is the crawl message is just the limited information from the digital signal. It tells you what kind of alert and what areas are affected. ("Flash Flood Warning for the island of Oahu") The "voice" gives specific information from the forecasters. The EAS standards doesn't have the flexibility of doing what you suggest. They'd have to set up an auxiliary system to retrieve the text some other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoGeek View Post
    My issue was with the number of alerts that carried NO additional information, just an extension of a prior alert.
    Repeated warnings are for the benefit of those who did not catch the earlier alerts. Not everyone is tuned into a radio/TV when the earlier warnings were given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anapuni808 View Post
    No note of sarcasm was detected in your original posting nor did I search for one.
    I thought that Fritz concluding his initial post, with:

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    sorta let the cat out of the bag that his sentiments about Guy Hagi dying was tongue-in-cheek.

    Not that anything Fritz wrote in this thread comes off as being funny or witty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Repeated warnings are for the benefit of those who did not catch the earlier alerts. Not everyone is tuned into a radio/TV when the earlier warnings were given.
    I don't think that's part of the NWS's standard operating procedure. If it is, it's a change. And doing so only creates a situation of crying "wolf" for those who weren't terribly affected by the storm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoGeek View Post
    I don't think that's part of the NWS's standard operating procedure. If it is, it's a change. And doing so only creates a situation of crying "wolf" for those who weren't terribly affected by the storm.
    Gecko, your strained logic astounds me. If your attitude prevails, then there would be no tsunami alerts in Hawaii, since no one here has died from one since Hilo in 1960. Since no one has lost their life in every tsunami alert for the last 50 years, then the Tsunami Warning Center here has been doing nothing but "crying wolf" all this time, right? Riiight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Gecko, your strained logic astounds me. If your attitude prevails, then there would be no tsunami alerts in Hawaii, since no one here has died from one since Hilo in 1960. Since no one has lost their life in every tsunami alert for the last 50 years, then the Tsunami Warning Center here has been doing nothing but "crying wolf" all this time, right? Riiight!
    FM you are absolutely correct. The idea here is inform people and, hopefully, save lives.

    The EAS is a national public warning system that requires TV and radio broadcasters, cable and direct satellite television providers, and satellite radio services to offer to the President the capability to address the American public during a national emergency.

    The system is also used by state and local authorities to deliver information such as emergency weather and AMBER alerts. Hawaii State Civil Defense has an operational procedure that the local broadcasters and cable systems follow. I believe participation is voluntary, but every operation must be able to at least receive the EAS messages.

    At the time the National Weather Service issues a flash flood warning for an area, it already knows that flooding is occurring or is imminent. It is in the public's interest for the warning to be aired. The NWS sends the message out via the EAS network and encodes that message with a "warning" header that is detected by each participant in the chain. The participants have pre-programmed their EAS equipment to either hold the message for them to review and manually air or to automatically break into the programming. There are dozens of advisory, watch, and warning categories, but very few are programmed to interrupt programming. One of the most important messages is the "warning"...which means the conditions are such that the event being warned of is likely to occur at any moment. No one is "crying wolf" if the event doesn't take place in front of your house or isn't as bad as you expected it to be. The EAS system and its warnings have saved countless lives throughout the United States since its inception.

    Broadcasters, specifically, are required to operate in the public interest as a condition of the license they receive from the Federal Communications Commission. Not airing a Severe Thunderstorm Warning in order to ensure that viewers don't miss the Wheel of Fortune Bonus Round could be considered a breach of that duty. "But my viewers wanted to see all of 'The Good Wife' without interruption" isn't going to fly at license renewal time.

    As you have inferred, FM, and I agree, the point of this thread is pretty ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleP View Post
    No one is "crying wolf" if the event doesn't take place in front of your house or isn't as bad as you expected it to be.
    Bingo. The coverage area for the alert is wider than just the o.p.'s house, Final Jeopardy notwithstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    Really, if you can't tell the Hagi remark was merely making sport you are extremely clueless and gullible. A little Hagi weather report pre-empted the first 5 minutes of Jeopardy two days in a row. Never saw such a brew-haha over a rainy day.

    And as for the,"if it saves one life", school of thought;I have one for you.

    Helmets required for pedestrians. Leave your house, helmet on or pay a fine. Because,if it saves one life it is worth it. IF IT SAVES ONE LIFE!!!!! IT IS WORTH IT!!!!!

    20 mph National speed limit! That would save many lives. Worth it?
    The only thing that is "clueless and gullible" is your ridiculous comparison.

    The EAS system does not issue messages that dictate orders or legislation to people. It simply issues emergency warnings and information related to such.

    So Fritz, if you want to ignore any or all EAS messages, that's up to you. You won't get arrested for putting your fingers in your ears when the warning is sounded. You won't get fined for not heeding a message to evacuate that is relevant to your situation. The EAS is a system that is designed for people who do happen to care about the safety of themselves and others.

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    As you have inferred, FM, and I agree, the point of this thread is pretty ridiculous.
    For me, this is official. The single most idiotic topic in this forum, ever.
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    Being in this industry over 20 years, it doesn't phase me when people complain that an emergency alert, interrupted their favorite program. The people that complain are the same people who give the rest of the human race drama, suspense, action, etc..

    People who complain about emergency alerts, are the same people we see on tv who ignore a road closed sign and try to drive their car across a raging river and are now klinging to life on a tree, screaming to be rescued. These are the same people who are standing on a beach, minutes before a tsunami is going to hit because, "they want to see what is going to happen". These are the same people standing on the roofs of their flooded out homes screaming to be rescued because they ignored the emergency alert to evacuate.

    I just thank them for their concern and move along with my day.

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    I have no objections to the emergency alerts, or how often they're broadcast. I don't object to their interrupting the program I'm watching. I don't question their value or appropriateness. My only gripe is that at least twice, the audio portion of the programming I was watching remained blanked out for several minutes after the EAS warning message was finished. I don't believe it's supposed to do this. I can't think of any reason why it should. Whether the problem is with the EAS, Oceanic, or KGMB (the station I was watching in both instances), I have no idea. I just wish someone would look into it and try to resolve it.
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