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    An interesting article on places with the highest longevity. Just in case you miss it, the places with the longest longevity have universal health care. So as you can see "Obamacare" death panels take away your freedom to die at an early age. This is why pro life people oppose health mandated by big gubmint. Its called anti-logic.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-10...165933132.html

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    For many, they're 'pro-life' until the moment after birth, then you're on your own, unless they can legally kill you.
    The same hypocrtiticism exists with them wanting gvmt. out of people's lives, except where they want it extremely involved, which is where most folk want them far away.

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    I realy don't understand those folks logic. It baffles me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    I realy don't understand those folks logic. It baffles me!
    I don't think it's all that complicated. Why is the US "the great Satan" to the Islamist fundamentalists? It's the same. The world is changing and turning away from traditional village life, where the old men were the centers of authority and the keepers of the faith. Remember "Fiddler on the Roof"? The villagers don't want to change -- it seems wrong, and very unfair that they should be forced to relinquish their control over their women and their children. The old ways were best.
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    The more a government assumes control, the less control the citizens have.
    Obama is scary. AMERICA is scary! When did we last have "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?"
    I remember having the illusion of it, in grade school, some 50 years ago....
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    In today's world, where this country is so much about cutting people lose to fend for themselves and thus suffer and die, under the banner of freedom, the theory of getting gvmt. out of people's lives and let them make their own decisions lies the real agenda of casting them off into oblivion, usually so the upper level mgt. gets rich. Just because gvmt. has often screwed things up and left us all pissed off doesn't mean there is no place for regulated service, it just needs to be overseen better and not enriching the top end in lieu of putting those monies to better use for the ones it's designed for. It's corporate corruption that is the problem. Regulation is good, as long as the regulators are regulated, in multiple if need be.

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    But somebody's always got control. Is it really so great that private insurance companies can chose to kick you off your insurance if you get sick, or chose to not cover what you have wrong with you? My last few years with Blue Cross I assumed a true hatred for the organization, every quarter the rates went up and every month or two a notice would arrive that they would not be covering this, this, and this. SCREW THEM. They should burn in hell! Is it really that bad that insurance companies have to let your kids stay on your policy until they are 26? The whole reason you even have a government is to take care of things people can't or won't take care of themselves. Even Medicare and Social Security: a fairly small tax from each pay check goes to buy this cheaply (1.5% of cost) administered insurance is "government control". Let business take care of quality control for food products? Be serious! Or for worker safety? Or in the securities markets? Or environmental safety? The reason you even need an EPA is because it is so economical to companies that happen to produce poison byproducts to just dump them in rivers, the air, the sea--if there were any marketplace incentive to not pollute there wouldn't be any need for the EPA. Regulating business which includes health insurance only happens because the decisions from the marketplace are not always in the public interest, and that includes you and your kids. No, you do not want to eat contaminated food and drink contaminated water or have your health insurance company tell you they will not pay for something that would save your life. Where government regulation becomes absurd is in regulating peoples' private lives, their sex lives or their choice in refreshments; given that people are not harming other people they should be left alone and applies in business, too.

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    Right on Kalalau! I agree with your positions.
    The reasons for Government to be involved in certain topics and not in others.
    Well done!
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    K, your reply backs up my stated position. It's good when it's good, and bad when it's bad.

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    I had MSNBC on this morning, they mentioned that Roberts has written the decision. That probably means at least some of the law will be overturned. Although they had one analyst on who pointed out that at least once he has sided with the liberals, I think that was the Arizona are your papers in order decision. Tomorrow the decision will be made public. This is the court that gave us "president" GW Bush and Citizens United making it legal for rich people (corporations) even if they are foreign to buy all the advertising they want to buy whatever government they want, as if the Republicans didn't have enough advantages already. Yet...the insurance companies are said to be very happy with Obamacare, it means 50 million new customers and nobody argues with that. It will be interesting to see how the Republican supreme ct. rules.

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    The vast majority love Obamacare, most just don't realize it because they've been stupidized to react negatively to the label ((((OBAMACARE)))). But when polled without the label and only posing the individual points of the former bill, they overwhelmingly support virtually all of it. That's what happens when you have a willingly ignorant public that refuses to educate themselves on the issues beyond listening to the biased or limited media of their choice.

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    Justice Thomas will be ruling on the case even though he has major conflicts of interest. Maybe he will be honest. He might even have an honest reason for ruling against Obamacare. But it does not look good for the supreme ct. to rule in cases with conflict of interest.

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    I hope Obamacare survives, but it doesn't follow that I support the government forcing its citizens to buy private insurance products, because I don't. That part of it is a lousy idea (government should provide the insurance, paid for by taxes). I also support the Court's decision not to allow restrictions on political advertising. I like to see the Court defending free speech, even when that has some unfortunate consequences. Freedom is worth putting up with some occasional inconveniences.
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    Obamacare upheld in a 5-4 vote with CJ Roberts voting with the majority, although the commerce clause of the Constitution doesn't permit the individual mandate to buy health insurance, it is sustained under the congress' power to tax. Whew!

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    Yet we see the hard core court cons siding as usual against the best interest of the Nation. Ugly America lost big time on this, and the rest of us dodged a nuke. Most cons are livid! And this foolishness that it will energize them in Nov. is laughable, they were already insane enmass with torches and pitchforks in hand, foaming at the mouth for election day. It hardly hands it to Romney as FAUX NEWS is crying. Dancing days, baby!

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    People Who Say They're Moving To Canada Because Of ObamaCare
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/peopl...e-of-obamacare
    I'm sure they'll like the healthcare just fine there.
    CNN, Fox News Get SCOTUS Ruling Wrong
    http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/6...s-ruling-wrong
    Both CNN and Fox News Channel incorrectly reported Thursday that the law's central provision, requiring virtually all Americans to have health insurance, had been struck down. Both networks backtracked when it became clear that the court upheld the provision.

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    The truth is, Americans love Obamacare
    http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...,4909537.story
    "How can that be, when polls regularly show a plurality of respondents with an 'unfavorable' view of Obamacare? The answer, of course, is that most Americans have no idea what's in the law. When they're asked how they feel about specific provisions, however, they're almost always thunderously in favor."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon View Post
    "How can that be, when polls regularly show a plurality of respondents with an 'unfavorable' view of Obamacare?
    Answer: The people who are opposed to "Obamacare" are in favor of the Affordable Care Act.......which are one and the same thing! It certainly looks like something more insidious is involved here.

    The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. A minority of Congressmen representing a minority of citizens should not be allowed to nullify the law of the land. They are traitors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. A minority of Congressmen representing a minority of citizens should not be allowed to nullify the law of the land. They are traitors.
    We need a creative legislative solution. How can we repeal Obamacare, which many hate, while leaving in place the Affordable Care Act, which many love? There must be a way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregLee View Post
    How can we repeal Obamacare, which many hate, while leaving in place the Affordable Care Act, which many love?
    THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING! Just stop calling it "Obamacare" like the OP did and start calling it by its official name - the Affordable Care Act. Faux Gnus insists on ginning up the rhetoric by calling it Obamacare. Call it by what it really is and problem is solved..........which is exactly what the Teathuglicans DON'T want to happen.
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    UNITED STATES (The Borowitz Report)—Millions of Tea Party loyalists fled the United States in the early morning hours today, seeking what one of them called “the American dream of liberty from health care.”

    Harland Dorrinson, 47, a tire salesman from Lexington, Kentucky, packed up his family and whatever belongings he could fit into his Chevy Suburban just hours before the health-insurance exchanges opened, joining the Tea Party’s Freedom Caravan with one goal in mind: escape from Obamacare.

    “My father didn’t have health care and neither did my father’s father before him,” he said. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to let my children have it.”


    But after driving over ten hours to the Canadian border, Mr. Dorrinson was dismayed to learn that America’s northern neighbor had been in the iron grip of health care for decades.

    “The border guard was so calm when he told me, as if it was the most normal thing in the world,” he said. “It’s like he was brainwashed by health care.”

    Turning away from Canada, Mr. Dorrinson joined a procession of Tea Party cars heading south to Mexico, noting, “They may have drug cartels and narcoterrorism down there, but at least they’ve kept health care out.”

    Mr. Dorrinson was halfway to the southern border before he heard through the Tea Party grapevine that Mexico, too, has public health care, as do Great Britain, Japan, Turkey, Spain, Belgium, New Zealand, Slovenia, and dozens of other countries to which he had considered fleeing.

    Undaunted, Mr. Dorrinson said he had begun looking into additional countries, like Chad and North Korea, but he expressed astonishment at a world seemingly overrun by health care.

    “It turns out that the United States is one of the last countries on earth to get it,” he said. “It makes me proud to be an American.”

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    where is the Like button?

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    Here is a news article that is a collection of several articles critical of Obamacare in Hawaii: http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Artic...Carerdquo.aspx.
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    What's the deal with the Obamacare website? They should of hire a porn web site designer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    What's the deal with the Obamacare website? They should of hire a porn web site designer.
    I wouldn't know what a porn web site looks like. Is it something different than the Anatomy class I took at the university?

    The deal with the ACA website is that it is a public relations disaster. The results are unacceptable. I am sure the President is very angry with his staff, as am I. They'll get it right eventually.

    I was talking with my part time Mexico neighbors last week about their Canadian healthcare system. She is a retired Canadian hospital administrator and he is a Canadian business owner with several hundred employees. They love, love, love their healthcare system! She told me she had cataract surgery last month on both eyes and it was quick, essentially no "out of pocket", and efficient. They think Americans are pretty backwards since we don't have single payer universal healthcare. They are perfectly happy being "socialist" Canadian citizens, thank you. They have never considered becoming US citizens, "the people in general are too backward, too violent, too arrogant, and too self absorbed."
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