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    Default OTW to drop KITV?

    Don't know how widely reported this is, but a few days ago, cable TV fatcat Oceanic announced a long list of channels that could possibly be dropped from their lineup because carriage agreements for these stations were due to "expire soon."

    List of expiring channels.

    Note that the list includes all forms of KITV, be it analog, digital, and HD.

    Of course, OTW is merely following the law by announcing that they don't yet have an agreement in place to continue carrying these channels in the near future. There remains the possibility that OTW and KITV will strike a deal soon. But at the same time, there's no 100% assurance that an agreement will be hammered out in time.

    Man, can you imagine the outrage that will break out in this community if our local ABC affiliate pulls its programming away from every single OTW customer? No more Dancing With The Stars.
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    Strange that MeTV Hawaii isn't on that list since it is carried over the air by KITV.

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    This stuff happens all the time... a few years ago it was Fox I think that was going to be dropped (KHON).... in the end both sides usually come to an agreement and in few months your cable TV bill goes up again to cover costs.

    Me... I cut the chord last year and am totally free of the shackles that is Oceanic Time Warner.
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    ESPN News isn't on Channel 23 anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    This stuff happens all the time... a few years ago it was Fox I think that was going to be dropped (KHON).... in the end both sides usually come to an agreement and in few months your cable TV bill goes up again to cover costs.

    Me... I cut the chord last year and am totally free of the shackles that is Oceanic Time Warner.
    Mel do you receive all of the local stations on your tv or do you watch programs on your computer? Anybody familiar with a device called Roku??

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    Currently I get all my programs from various free streams on my computer. When my old TV worked I had an A/B switch that I used to go from cable to indoor antenna in my building. The OTA channels in my area that came in nice were: KHON (2.1, 2.2), KITV (4.1, 4.2), KGMB (5.1), KHNL (13.1, 13.2), KFVE (9.1), KWHE (14.1), KBFD (32.1), KIKU (20.1), KAAH (26.1, 26.2, 26.3, 26.4, 26.5) and KXPO (66.1 to 66.4 though sometimes it would get me nothing)..... The Daystar channel was also receivable but video only for some reason. No audio. The major channel that did not work in my area was KHET 11.1, 11.2.

    I intend to get another TV soon and continue the practice of OTA + hook up my DVD player, computer and maybe buy one of those boxes too... Roku or Apple TV. I've heard Todd Cochrane of Geek News Central praise both the Roku and the Boxee devices. I think all of these can get paid services from Hulu and NetFlix. Hopefully they also have free content.

    FYI - 2 of the 3 local news channels, KITV and Hawaii News Now stream their newscasts live from their websites... Also KHET streams some of their local shows live and all have clips of various local items either on YouTube or their websites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    This stuff happens all the time... a few years ago it was Fox I think that was going to be dropped (KHON).... in the end both sides usually come to an agreement and in few months your cable TV bill goes up again to cover costs.
    History tells us that you can never be so sure about local stations and cable/satellite providers always getting along with each other. Once upon a time, Oceanic customers did not get KGMB in HD. And a few years before that, Dish Network subscribers had to make due with no KHNL & KFVE.

    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    I intend to get another TV soon and continue the practice of OTA + hook up my DVD player, computer and maybe buy one of those boxes too... Roku or Apple TV. I've heard Todd Cochrane of Geek News Central praise both the Roku and the Boxee devices. I think all of these can get paid services from Hulu and NetFlix. Hopefully they also have free content.
    I bought Roku primarily with the intent of using it to stream sports packages like MLB.TV and NHL Gamecenter. But I've been pleasantly surprised with the amount of quality free content. There's movie/TV apps like Crackle and ADC. The BYU.TV app offers both a live stream of the cable channel and a large selection of on-demand programs like BYU sports telecasts. Speaking of college sports, there's XOS Sports and the SEC Digital Network. Roku even has a free Justin.TV app. (Justin.TV for both the iPhone and iPad comes with a price.) And Korean TV fans will absolutely love the KDrama channel.

    Oh, and if you happen to have a Playon membership, you can use Roku's Playon channel to access the regular version of Hulu for free. It's nice to be able to enjoy basic Hulu outside of a web browser platform.
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    Well, looks like my worst fears have come true.

    KITV blacked out on Oceanic

    Besides the article, there's some interesting statements found in the comments section below.
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    this is madness!
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    Here is KITV 4's report on the issue:

    http://www.kitv.com/tv/about/KITV-s-...z/-/index.html

    Time Warner Cable refuses to pay our station a reasonable fee relative to what it pays for other significantly less popular channels. Time Warner’s characterization of the percentage increase in carriage fees we are seeking is inaccurate.......

    Contrary to Time Warner’s claim, we have not "blacked out" our station. You may continue to receive our station for free, over the air, or by satellite from DIRECTV or DISH, and, where available, from other cable operators.

    Read more: http://www.kitv.com/tv/about/KITV-s-...#ixzz20GHjcXkJ
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    I can't even get the OTA channels.

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    Yea,Same over here on Maui no OTA on 4.1 KITV nor 4.2 MeTV, Signal but no "Data" WTF? I thought us OTA people were free from the "strife" of OTW/KITV problems.
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    I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for either side in this dispute. And since I have no information regarding the exact numbers being exchanged, I can't make any definitive judgements on which party is being unreasonable in the carriage agreement negotiations.

    However, in the PR battle that is being waged, I do have to take exceptions to a couple of things KITV is saying.

    KITV.com press release

    Contrary to Time Warner’s claim, we have not "blacked out" our station.
    Hmmm. I'm not aware of any public statement or claim from TWC, claiming that KITV has totally "blacked out" their station to everyone. Here is what OTW has actually said:

    TWC public statement

    On July 9, 2012 Hearst Television chose to black out their signals from Time Warner Cable customers rather than continue negotiations, and despite their CEO saying just two weeks earlier that broadcaster blackouts are unfair to consumers.
    Clearly, TWC is saying that the KITV/Hearst blackout only applies to TWC customers. So there's nothing categorically false about anything that TWC has publically stated, so far.

    KITV's statement then goes on to say this:

    You may continue to receive our station for free, over the air, or by satellite from DIRECTV or DISH, and, where available, from other cable operators.
    Encouraging consumers to switch to another cable system (Hawn. Telcom) or a sat provider (DirecTV or Dish) is disingenous, since there's no guarantee that when those respective providers' carriage agreements run out in the future, a consumer who follows KITV's advice to switch may find themselves in the same dilemma again!

    That's two points deducted from KITV, when it comes to being honest and forthright in telling their side of the story in this carriage dispute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    ... the carriage agreement negotiations.
    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    ... this carriage dispute.
    So funny. My tired eyes (nearly bedtime here) read "carriage" in each of these statements as "carnage." Seems oddly appropriate, though.

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    Does the KITV news team still need to go to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    Does the KITV news team still need to go to work?
    Yes, they are doing all of their newscasts as normal. I am watching the live news stream at their website. Morning news, 5pm, 6pm and 10pm news all stream live online.

    The shutout of KITV is just part of a systemwide blackout on many Time Warner Cable systems throughout the nation.

    Hawaii KITV-ABC
    Boston WCVB-ABC
    Portland ME WMTW-ABC
    Hartford VT WNNE-NBC
    Plattsburgh NY WPTZ-NBC
    Plattsburgh NY WPTZ-D2 –This TV
    Winston-Salem NC WXII-NBC
    Kansas City MO KCWE-CW
    Kansas City MO KMBC-ABC
    Lincoln NE KETV-ABC
    Louisville KY WLKY-CBS
    Cincinnati OH WLWT-NBC
    Pittsburgh PA
    Manchester NH WTAE-ABC
    WMUR-ABC
    Last edited by mel; July 11th, 2012 at 07:25 AM. Reason: added link
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    History tells us that you can never be so sure about local stations and cable/satellite providers always getting along with each other. Once upon a time, Oceanic customers did not get KGMB in HD. And a few years before that, Dish Network subscribers had to make due with no KHNL & KFVE.
    Presently, DirectTV is battling it out with Viacom, too: http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/11/viacom-vs-directv/

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    OTM is airing the Hallmark Movie Channel in place of KITV!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Presently, DirectTV is battling it out with Viacom, too: http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/11/viacom-vs-directv/
    Thanks for illustrating my point, Leo. People who impulsively jump from cable to satellite over this TWC vs. Hearst brouhaha will find that DirecTV and Dish also periodically play this game of blacking out channels whenever carriage rights negotiations go sour with different networks. It's simply something that cannot be escaped from.

    How this situation plays out will be interesting. Normally in many communities, its the programming provider that exercises a lot of leverage over the cable TV operator. But in this case, Oceanic has a very high market penetration. Better believe that KITV's ad revenue is taking a beating during this current blackout. Despite all the criticism and cancellation threats that are being written against Oceanic over the net, I think KITV has a lot more to lose as this dispute drags on.

    What exactly is KITV's leverage in this affair?

    ABC network programming? The bulk of it can be viewed over the internet.

    Football broadcasts? ABC no longer televises any NFL games. And while ABC offers college football games, so will a dozen of other OTA/cable channels be doing the same this fall. Even the most demanding fan who wants to watch a particular ABC network game can likely find it streaming over the net on ESPN 3.

    My observation? KITV is heading into this battle against OTW with a dull knife.
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    KITV might as well go on Sirius Radio. You become forgotten and irrelevant when you're not seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    My observation? KITV is heading into this battle against OTW with a dull knife.
    It's not a battle between KITV and OTW. Nobody in Hawaii can do anything to get the KITV signal back on OTW... without getting fired.

    If anything KITV is a casualty in a fight between Hearst and TWC.

    The battle between content providers and distributors(cable/satellite), sometimes its the providers pulling their signal, other times its the distributors blocking it. There are obviously differing statements about this from Hearst and TWC.

    If you're looking for any leverage Hearst might have, you might consider their NBC stations and the Olympics. But according to the link mel provided, there are only 3 Hearst owned NBC stations affected by the blackout... and none of them are in major markets. The Boston station is ABC and there are other providers like Comcast in the area.
    Quote Originally Posted by mike View Post
    scsdogg,
    You obviously are someone in the business and know what you are talking about.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by scsdogg View Post
    It's not a battle between KITV and OTW. Nobody in Hawaii can do anything to get the KITV signal back on OTW... without getting fired.

    If anything KITV is a casualty in a fight between Hearst and TWC.
    Everything that you say here is true enough. I was just using KITV/Hearst and Oceanic/Time Warner interchangeably as I was merely focusing on the battleground here.

    The "battle" in Hawaii is, indeed, part of a larger war being waged between Hearst and TWC.
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    An NPR blog's take on these battles:
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2...rriage-dispute

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    You can watch the British Open on ESPN instead of ABC.

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    I just got a call. KITV was restored on Oceanic about half an hour ago.
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