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    Well, who woulda thunk it? Two different polls conducted by Civil Beat find early frontrunner Mufi Hannemann now in a dead heat with upstart challenger Tulsi Gabbard.

    Gabbard being able to erase a 45 point deficit in polls conducted just a couple of months ago is truly remarkable when you consider that Hannemann has a bigger campaign warchest as well as the lion's share of union endorsements. Moreover, as a sitting Honolulu Councilmember, Gabbard has less time to campaign than her more well-known opponent.

    I'll say it right here and now. The Mufster is in trouble. If he cannot turn back the tide of momentum that is boosting Gabbard's candidacy, then this election is lost to him. If that happens, then this will be Mufi's Waterloo.
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    If so, he'll just drag his Waterloo with him as he heads towards another, he'll never stop politic'n. Not sure about Gabbard, but at least she ain't Mufi.

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    I don't follow local politics as closely as my wife does, but after talking briefly to some Tulsi folks who came past our house a few months ago, and when my wife's reaction was that she would never, never vote for such a notorious anti-abortion Republican, I became curious enough to read Tulsi's short biography on the Wikipedia and take a look at her web site. Since I knew, as my wife apparently did not, that Tulsi is actually not a Republican. From my brief online reading, I got a very favorable impression of Tulsi, who seems not to share the rather reactionary views of her father. At all.
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    Maybe the giant surge in her numbers comes from this sudden mass realization that she is much different from her father. Kinda took me a while to accept it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregLee View Post
    From my brief online reading, I got a very favorable impression of Tulsi, who seems not to share the rather reactionary views of her father. At all.
    And I think thatís where any support she has comes from if not from the anti-Mufi vote. Count me as skeptical that Gabbard has enough of an actual track record that proves she is not a crazy religious zealot (with a penchant for switching parties when convenient) like the rest of her family. Until then, Iím voting for Mufi. At least I know he has the fire in the belly that made Abercrombie so effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuNnL View Post
    Count me as skeptical that Gabbard has enough of an actual track record that proves she is not a crazy religious zealot (with a penchant for switching parties when convenient) like the rest of her family.
    Tulsi has never switched parties. Always was a Democrat. In fact, she was elected as a Democrat to the State House in '02..... while her father (Mike) was still a card-carrying Republican. It was he who eventually joined his daughter in the Democratic ranks, not the other way around.

    Leave it you, Tunnl, to be so assinine to think it's normal to make the worst assumptions about a person based on nothing more than the actions of their parent.

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    Until then, Iím voting for Mufi.
    As if that wasn't already a foregone conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Leave it you, Tunnl, to be so assinine to think it's normal to make the worst assumptions about a person based on nothing more than the actions of their parent.
    Leave it to you, Frankie, to be so asinine* to think itís normal to assume I am making an assumption. She hasnít spoken to the issue and itís therefore a fair question for debate. Take a chill pill.

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    Bringing it back to OT, Mufi losing here will only be confirmation that his water loo was flushed in the previous iteration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Bringing it back to OT, Mufi losing here will only be confirmation that his water loo was flushed in the previous iteration.
    Following the Napoleonic Timeline, the 2010 gubernatorial primary where Mufi lost was actually his Battle of Paris. Like the French Emperor before him, both were in political exile before making one final stab at usurping power.

    Therefore, my calling this year's congressional race as Mufi's Waterloo.

    Hey, I'm a history buff.

    Another sign that Mufi is in trouble: A couple of friends told me that the Mufster himself is now personally canvassing the neighborhoods and hanging up his own signs and banners. In all his previous elections, this would be unheard of. Apparently, the support and manpower that Mufi enjoyed in earlier campaigns is now a distant memory of the past. If he doesn't hang up his signs, then the job simply won't get done. Clearly, a lot of people have jumped off the Mufi bandwagon at the grassroots level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Following the Napoleonic Timeline, the 2010 gubernatorial primary where Mufi lost was actually his Battle of Paris. Like the French Emperor before him, both were in political exile before making one final stab at usurping power.

    Therefore, my calling this year's congressional race as Mufi's Waterloo.

    Hey, I'm a history buff.
    Yeah, well Mufster resigned his office before the gubernatorial primary. So, the primary was his Waterloo (post resignation attempt to regain power) since he still had his armies behind him following his resignation.

    Ya better brush up on that history, bud!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    I'll say it right here and now. The Mufster is in trouble. If he cannot turn back the tide of momentum that is boosting Gabbard's candidacy, then this election is lost to him. If that happens, then this will be Mufi's Waterloo.
    Never too soon.

    Do we need him? Can we afford him?

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    Right, silly Billy, let's throw out the first ten amendments to the Constitution of the US, AKA "The Bill of Rights."

    Then we can just join the USSR in one big happy family! No more wars! Oops, Abdul wants to say something to me; his AK-47 is tapping my shoulder....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Therefore, my calling this year's congressional race as Mufi's Waterloo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Another sign that Mufi is in trouble: A couple of friends told me that the Mufster himself is now personally canvassing the neighborhoods and hanging up his own signs and banners.
    Hanneman humbly ask for your vote. I can't think of anyone who is more humble than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    Hanneman humbly ask for your vote. I can't think of anyone who is more humble than him.
    Oh, the irony!

    How humble: 'Steel on Steel, or no deal!'
    (Not an actual quote, but the meaning is intact.)

    Do we need him? Can we afford him?

    Will he cry on TV again, when he loses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    Do we need him? Can we afford him?
    Is he a nice to have, or a need to have?

    Or maybe... neither?

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    He's running for the district not served by his successfully endorsed rail project? Hmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    He's running for the district not served by his successfully endorsed rail project? Hmm...
    Psst!! Ed. CD-2 encompasses rural Oahu, in addition to the neighborhood islands. As a matter of fact, the first 3 rail stations starting on the Ewa end of the rail route is to be built within the CD-2 district. It also goes without saying that passengers boarding the rail from those stations stand to benefit the most when it comes to saving time and fuel that would otherwise be spent in gridlock during rush hour traffic going from and coming back to Kapolei.

    So no. It's not as if the entire electorate that Mufi is targeting this year are folks who are not beneficiaries of a rail system.
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    Unless they've changed the boundaries, all stations are clearly in the 1st congressional district. Those first 3 are surrounded by undeveloped fields - at least they'll have room for parking lots. I live in the Ewa plain - I know this area and I know I will not be better-served by the rail system [than the current bus system], but I will adapt to it if it comes.

    He is 'targeting' all Hawaii voters who will not be paying for or 'benefiting' from the rail system, however. Maybe they want him outta here, one way or t'other.
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    I can see why the confusion; it's hard to be 100% certain from, for example, these two maps:
    1st District
    Rail stations
    Is the Kualakai Parkway (old North South Road) in the 1st or 2nd District?

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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Unless they've changed the boundaries, all stations are clearly in the 1st congressional district.
    Even if you're right on the point re: the exact location of the stations being in CD-1, the fact remains that the rail route runs very close to the boundary, and you will have people living in CD-2 (i.e. Waipahu, Kapolei) who could easily drive to and/or catch the bus to the nearby station in order to make use of the rail.

    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    I live in the Ewa plain - I know this area and I know I will not be better-served by the rail system [than the current bus system], but I will adapt to it if it comes.
    Speaking for yourself, that's a very eloquent statement. It's when you try to speak on behalf of the entire population base of CD-2, that's when you slipped on a banana peel and hurtled into a deep chasm of cloudy logic.
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    I never made any reference to the entire population of CD-2. I only referred to all those Hawaii voters not located on Oahu, i.e., those who are not paying for or 'benefiting' from the rail system. I never even mentioned all those voters located in east, windward, north and west Oahu who will not benefit from rail, though they are paying for it. In running for the CD-2 office, Mufi is targeting all those outer island voters. You really should make an effort to comprehend what you read.

    I appreciate how you mention that rail users will almost entirely be obliged to use their cars or the bus system to access rail. It highlights the 'third leg' aspect of rail on Oahu (who needs one?).

    Leo, when you work the elections in the area, you know where the lines are drawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Leo, when you work the elections in the area, you know where the lines are drawn.
    Are you working the elections, salmoned?

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    When I see the Mufi posters all over my WW area, I see the face of a man about to cry.
    He has a sad puppy-dog face begging for a treat - or your vote (not sure).

    Graffiti artists could draw in tears, and they would not be out of place. It looks like he is begging. There is NO strength there. Were I a candidate, I Would NEVER have approved those shots. Who would vote for a whiny loser?

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    This year? Purgatory, no! I'll wait until I'm incompetent before applying for that job again - I'd rather be an unfunded candidate. It's one big, 'MOVE OVER, PLEASE!', up and down the chain of authority. I've done my duty - time to blend into the background.
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