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    In the '50's he did a movie called "A Face in The Crowd" about a back woods boy who has the knack for charming TV audiences and goes on to become a huge star. The fame goes to his head. He irritates enough of his closest friends that one of them leaves a mic on when he is rambling on about how stupid his public is, and the rest goes pretty much like you might expect. I thought it was a very perceptive film. Mike Malloy said as much the night before last, he said it explained Glen Beck and the rest of the conservative talkers. It really was a very perceptive film, long ahead of its time.

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    How many spinoffs of The Andy Griffith Show were there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    How many spinoffs of The Andy Griffith Show were there?
    Mayberry R.F.D. & Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. come to mind. Any others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    How many spinoffs of The Andy Griffith Show were there?
    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Mayberry R.F.D. & Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. come to mind. Any others?
    Heck, the Andy Griffith show was, itself, a spin-off of the Danny Thomas show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Heck, the Andy Griffith show was, itself, a spin-off of the Danny Thomas show.
    Well...not really a "spin-off" in the traditional media sense of the term.

    Thomas was an executive producer (along with Sheldon Leonard) of the sitcom vehicle created for Griffith; it was already in development. In order to test audience response to the concept, the 2/15/1960 episode of Thomas's show was "Danny Meets Andy Griffith," with the basic setup created as a pilot episode. It was a hit with the viewers, but was still tweaked substantially before the premiere in October 1960.

    A "spin-off" is usually derived from one or more already existing works, that focuses, in particular, in more detail on one aspect of that original work. The Thomas episode was created to promote an in-the-works new sitcom, rather than one based on existing regular characters of his show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    A "spin-off" is usually derived from one or more already existing works, that focuses, in particular, in more detail on one aspect of that original work. The Thomas episode was created to promote an in-the-works new sitcom, rather than one based on existing regular characters of his show.
    To me, the essentials are all there and it's cut-and-dry. Andy Griffith played the character of Sheriff Andy Taylor on the Danny Thomas Show, prior to the creation of the Andy Griffith Show. Therefore, the A.G. Show is a spin-off of the D.T. Show. That Sheriff Taylor only made one apperance on D.T. makes no difference. Maude Finlay (played by Bea Arthur) only made a couple of apperances on All In The Family and was far from anything approaching a "regular" character on A.I.T.F. Yet, most people seem to accept the idea that Maude was a spin-off of A.I.T.F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Well...not really a "spin-off" in the traditional media sense of the term.
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    "A Face In The Crowd" was on TV last night. It did pack a heck of a message but truth is, Griffith's acting was first rate. His pleasant folksy character on Andy of Mayberry seems to have masked the fact that he was a powerful actor, more of a talent than I gave him credit for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Andy Griffith played the character of Sheriff Andy Taylor on the Danny Thomas Show, prior to the creation of the Andy Griffith Show.
    There's the flaw in the argument. The Andy Griffith Show was already "created" by Thomas and Leonard. It was already largely cast, the concept was in place, it was in pre-production with scheduled broadcast premiere in the fall of 1960. The Thomas episode was developed after (not prior to) the Griffith Show's creation - the latter simply had not yet begun to air.

    But now, we're debating the semantics of "creation," which we could go back and forth on ad infinitum, so we'll just wisely "agree to disagree" once again - and save HT from another of our old back-n-forths, eh wot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    There's the flaw in the argument. The Andy Griffith Show was already "created" by Thomas and Leonard. It was already largely cast, the concept was in place, it was in pre-production with scheduled broadcast premiere in the fall of 1960. The Thomas episode was developed after (not prior to) the Griffith Show's creation - the latter simply had not yet begun to air.
    Well, if we're going to be technical about it, your stated definition about a spin-off being something that focuses "more detail on one aspect of that original work" doesn't seem to fit the relationship between The Andy Griffith Show and Mayberry R.F.D. In fact, it was largely the opposite. Mayberry R.F.D. was, for the most part, a continuation of the A.G. Show with the bulk of the same cast of characters..... but without Andy Griffith. Rather than being a spin-off, the transition from the A.G. Show turning into Mayberry R.F.D. is more in line with an established TV series going through a process of re-titling or re-branding itself after a star actor has left a program. Examples of this would include Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman turning into Forever Fernwood after Louise Lasser's character was written out of the show. Or Valerie eventually turning into The Hogan Family after Valerie Harper was fired from the show and Sandy Duncan replaced her as the star.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    But now, we're debating the semantics of "creation," which we could go back and forth on ad infinitum, so we'll just wisely "agree to disagree" once again - and save HT from another of our old back-n-forths, eh wot?
    Sounds like a good idea to keep things simple.
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    sorry, duplicate post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Well, if we're going to be technical about it, your stated definition about a spin-off being something that focuses "more detail on one aspect of that original work" doesn't seem to fit the relationship between The Andy Griffith Show and Mayberry R.F.D. In fact, it was largely the opposite. Mayberry R.F.D. was, for the most part, a continuation of the A.G. Show with the bulk of the same cast of characters..... but without Andy Griffith. Rather than being a spin-off, the transition from the A.G. Show turning into Mayberry R.F.D. is more in line with an established TV series going through a process of re-titling or re-branding itself after a star actor has left a program. Examples of this would include Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman turning into Forever Fernwood after Louise Lasser's character was written out of the show. Or Valerie eventually turning into The Hogan Family after Valerie Harper was fired from the show and Sandy Duncan replaced her as the star.
    Good point - those cases (including Mayberry) really were revisions of the originals, rather than spin-offs. Would the change of All In The Family into Archie Bunker's Place be another example?

    And since this post has nothing yet to do with Andy Griffith, let me correct that by saying mahalo to Kalalau for the posts about "A Face In The Crowd" - a truly fine example of Griffith's acting range, and a great recommendation for anyone who only knows of his "Sheriff Taylor" role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    "A Face In The Crowd" was on TV last night. It did pack a heck of a message but truth is, Griffith's acting was first rate. His pleasant folksy character on Andy of Mayberry seems to have masked the fact that he was a powerful actor, more of a talent than I gave him credit for.
    I agree, that was a great film.

    Another lesser-known performance where A.G. reveals the dark side of his acting range was Murder in Coweta County, where he co-stars with Johnny Cash. Because this is a 30 year old TV movie, it has largely been forgotten by the public. But it has been posted up on YouTube in multiple parts. If you find yourself enjoying A Face In The Crowd, then Murder in Coweta County is highly recommended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Another lesser-known performance where A.G. reveals the dark side of his acting range was Murder in Coweta County,
    It's hard to watch an actor with an all American image playing a bad guy. But, even comedians Martin Short and Carol Burnett played baddies on Law & Order.

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    "A Face in the Crowd," by many accounts was loosely based on Arthur Godfrey, who was a huge radio and TV performer in the 1940s and 1950s. His early television shows were ratings blockbusters and his folksy, "aw shucks" delivery resonated with millions of viewers. He reportedly had a dark side, though, which came through one night on a live national broadcast on CBS when he fired Julius LaRosa on the air...reportedly because Julie's popularity had grown and his fan mail was outpacing Arthur's. The episode greatly diminished Arthur Godfrey's "just plain folks" image.

    The author of "A Face in the Crowd" always maintained that the story was based somewhat on the private and public life of Will Rogers, but there are many scenes in the movie that were clearly inspired by Arthur Godfrey.

    "A Face in the Crowd" is a superb movie and shows Andy Griffith's phenomenal acting depth. I don't believe it was a box office blockbuster at the time and I think it opened to mixed reviews, but over the years, its critical acceptance and public appreciation have grown to the point where it is now considered a classic.

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    Very Interesting! And to come sort of full loop, we know Arthur Godfrey had connection with Hawai'i and did a lot to popularize Hawaiian music with his listeners and viewers. Did Godfrey ever actually live in Hawai'i? Who was Haleloke?

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    Haleloke was from Hilo. I think she was appearing on Hawaii Calls when Arthur Godfrey hired her. Like Julius LaRosa, Haleloke was dismissed for no reason. She was replaced by Japanese singer Miyoshi Umeki (who, almost 15 years later, would appear as Mrs. Livingston, the housekeeper on "The Courtship of Eddie's Father").

    Haleloke died in 2004.

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    Thank you. I googled her, she lived out her life in Union City with a best friend. There are several Union Cities. Whichever one it was, it would have been a big change from Hilo!

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    I believe the Union City in which she lived was in Indiana.

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    Umeki lived in Hawaii until 2003 and moved to Missouri to be with her son and his family. When she left show business for good, she stayed out of the public eye. Around the time I attempted to contact her for a story I heard she had cancer, which she eventually died of in 2007.

    As for Godfrey I think he spent long vacations in Hawaii for many years, I know he loved Molokai and was a good friend of Duke. In fact, he delivered Duke's eulogy in 1968, which I have on reel to reel.

    Back on topic, of course Andy Griffith has been to Hawaii before, he appeared in Hawaii 5-0 in 1972 and the From Here to Eternity mini-series in 1979.

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    Another cool contribution is the tv show "Salvage 1".
    The show revolves around an entrepreneur who collects and recycles space junk.
    His own space vehicle is built from stuff from junkyards.

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    We visited Moloka'i once. The guy who did the voice intro of Mission Impossible ran the gift shop at the hotel where we stayed. The local joke was that the biggest news in Kaunakakai was when a cat chased a crab down the main street. It is a beautiful, peaceful island, I see why Godfrey or anyone in search of peaceful beauty would love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    We visited Moloka'i once. The guy who did the voice intro of Mission Impossible ran the gift shop at the hotel where we stayed.
    Robert Cleveland Johnson (May 4, 1920–December 31, 1993), born in Portland, Oregon and died on Moloka`i, Hawaii.

    "Good morning/afternoon/evening, Mr. Briggs/Phelps.--- Your mission Dan/Jim, should you decide to accept it --- As always, should you or any of your I.M. Force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. --- This tape will self-destruct in five [or, occasionally, ten] seconds. Good luck, Dan/Jim."

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    thank you! He was very happy with his life on Moloka'i, considered it paradise. We should all be so lucky.

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