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    Does the manipulation of genetic material in a way that does not occur in nature really give a reason to think the resulting products are dangerous or unwholesome? Those who think so may be following the thought of Jean-Jacques Rousseau. See if this excerpt from his Wikipedia entry strikes a chord:

    In Discourse on the Arts and Sciences Rousseau argues that the arts and sciences have not been beneficial to humankind, because they arose not from authentic human needs but rather as a result of pride and vanity. Moreover, the opportunities they create for idleness and luxury have contributed to the corruption of man. He proposed that the progress of knowledge had made governments more powerful and had crushed individual liberty; and he concluded that material progress had actually undermined the possibility of true friendship by replacing it with jealousy, fear, and suspicion.

    In contrast to the optimistic view of other Enlightenment figures, for Rousseau, progress has been inimical to the well-being of humanity, that is, unless it can be counteracted by the cultivation of civic morality and duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregLee View Post
    I still don't follow the reasoning. Why should studying the health effects depend on whether people know they're eating GMO products? We're not worried about psychological harm. It might be easier to get unbiased evidence if people don't know.
    My saying that there are GMO products that you could ingest without knowing was to support the comment that in the case of Bananas grown locally, you are able to identify which products are GMO and which are not. But in the case of soybeans and corn, it isn't easily traced, because you will not know the brand of corn you're eating. When you see corn or soybeans in the markets, it is usually bulk corn or soy beans if they're fresh. Then is corn or soy beans are ingredients of a product, such as tofu, soy sauce, corn chips... you don't know if they're using GMO or not.

    Getting back to your statement, in order to study the health effects of GMO, you would need to know if the person is consuming GMOs. Right now, I don't even know the extent I am consuming GMOs because they are not labeled. If I don't know what I am consuming and I contract an illness or cancer, I do not know, nor would any study know if GMO can be linked to my illness or cancer. That is why Mark Phillipson can make statements such as, there has actually been a decrease in stomach cancer since the introduction of GMOs. Leading you to believe that GMOs are safe. My counter statement that there has been a significant increase of Crohn's disease since the introduction of GMOs is along the same lines and is bogus, because it appears to link GMOs to Crohn's disease. But without studies on long term effects of GMO, nobody really knows. If food products are not labeled GMOs, you cannot perform a study, because you won't know what group you fall under, 1) consumes large quantities of GMO 2) consumes moderate quantities of GMO 3) consumes minimal quantities of GMO or 4) consumes no GMO products (this one is tough unless you prepare all of your meals).

    Again, I am not arguing that GMOs are bad, I do not have sufficient data to come to that conclusion at this point in time. If you ask me, could GMOs be bad? I would have to respond with a definite yes, but then again, it could be good too. I do know that if they are labeled, I can make my own choice on if I would like to risk consuming GMOs freely or just moderately and avoiding them whenever possible (I know because I love to eat out, I would never fall into category 4 above).
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Along the line of GMO labeling, why shouldn't every genetic variation be labeled in our food products? There's nothing special about GMO over natural variation. Sure, a GMO may have harmful characteristics, but it's just as likely that a natural variant has similar harmful characteristics. In fact, it's more likely that a GMO may have harmful characteristics removed than inserted, since modifications are intentional and safety tested. GMOs are patented, which means liability can be assigned in case of damages - that's a safety-net bigger than any non-GMO product carries.

    A lot of the modifications being introduced to the seeds are to allow the crop to be resistant to certain pesticides and herbicides such as roundup. That is why Monsanto has an active role. You buy their seeds and you can spray with roundup and kill all other weeds, spray with specific insecticide and kill desired insects and not harm the crops. The crops will still absorb the insecticide and herbicide and you will consume them. Now, because the crops are resistant, you can use less to be effective. But now they're finding out that the insects and weeds too are becoming more resistant to the specific herbicide and insecticides. So now they will need to use more chemicals defeating the original purpose. Crops will absorb more pesticides and herbicides as a result . (By the way, I don't know if this is better or worse that what is currently being used in Non-GMO crops at this time). In other cases they modify the crop such that when the insect ingests the crops, they die, now, what happens to humans who ingest large quantities of this crop for 5 - 15 years on almost a daily basis?

    My position is for voluntary labeling of non-GMO products - not mandatory labeling of GMO products. The cost will go up a bit for non-GMO labeled products (costs are already presumed higher or GMOs wouldn't be used in the first place), but it will be a cost that is voluntarily absorbed (or not) by the consumer. Here's the BIG question - Why won't activists be satisfied with the same voluntary system used for 'organic' products? Organic products usually carry a premium that includes the extra cost of labeling, why shouldn't non-GMO carry that extra expense as well? Organic production came first, just as non-GMO production came first, so let the cachet adhere to the 'original' products, not the more recent and economical products.

    As Mark Fergusson tried to explain last night, that works for organics. And it may work for basic crops (although I learned last night that if there is cross pollination, then an originally non-GMO crop is pollinated from a bee that just came from a GMO farm, then that non-GMO crop could now become a GMO crop, although it appears that farms communicate with one another to try to prevent this from happening). But when you try to make a non GMO meal commercially, you need to find out if all of your individual ingredients are GMO or not, in order to claim non-GMO. This still works for items such as Tofu, where there is only one check and that is the Soy Beans. But what about a vegetable soup where you're using 8 or 9 different vegetables plus an additional dozen spices (some of which could be derived from vegetable crops). Without GMO being identified, then it becomes a costly endeavor. If GMOs are labeled at the start, then he GMO chain will be easily identified.

    [Next thing they'll want is a statement of fossil fuel consumption to produce and transport each product to market - ugh!
    'This banana was hand-grown with natural soil supplements produced on site, then bicycled to market - that'll be $12, thank you!']
    Please don't get me wrong, I still eat bad food, but try to eat healthier since my wife went to the Dr. Shintani course to get you off of medications (which by the way is the 4th largest cause of deaths in the US). I just want to be able to make my own decisions on what I eat and may be willing to pay more to stay off of medications. That will be the price I pay. However, without studies, nobody knows if GMOs are contributing to weight problems, diabetes, etc. And it would be a shame if someone is able to link the increase in these diseases with long term effects of GMO in the future but it is too late since we have essentially gone to the point of no return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moto View Post
    If food products are not labeled GMOs, you cannot perform a study, ...
    This is obviously not so. To perform a study you need to know what foods actually contain GMOs, regardless of how they're labeled. The link being made between labeling and the possibility of doing studies is bogus. I hope this is finally clear, because I'm giving up on it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregLee View Post
    This is obviously not so. To perform a study you need to know what foods actually contain GMOs, regardless of how they're labeled. The link being made between labeling and the possibility of doing studies is bogus. I hope this is finally clear, because I'm giving up on it now.
    Greg for studies to determine Long Term effects, you cannot conduct this in a laboratory. This will be done in the real world. Similar to how lung cancer was linked to cigarettes. They looked for people who developed lung cancer and asked if they smoked cigarettes and if so the volume of usage. All I am saying is, they will not be able to do this with any disease and GMO because when asked if you consume GMO, you will not know (probably yes if you live in the US) but the volume and extent will be unknown. Laboratory tests that try to simulate long term effects would be to administer large quantities of a substance and try to correlate that to a time equivalent. But that may or may not work for every case. I am not trying to win a argument here, I am trying to post my concerns with what I have learned. I too will stop on this subject.

    Thanks for the discussion on this subject.
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    If you're interested... Dec. 30th!
    The Aina Fest walk for safe food. From Diamond Head (corner of Diamond Head Rd. and 18th Ave.) to Kapiolani Park (opposite Aquarium).
    Family activities and speakers. Noon, walk back to start. Prizes for costumes and signs. Hope to see you there!
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    I'm for safe food!
    `AINA FEST - Food Sovereignty Now! Dec. 30 ❤ OAHU
    Walk for Safe Food
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    9:00am until 1:00pm

    9AM - Meet at entrance to Diamond Head Crater on Diamond Head Road, across the street from Kapiolani Community College.

    Hope to see you there!
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    Here's the sign I made to carry with me.
    Should be fun!
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    Additional information about side effects found in Canada on GMO food products currently on the market here in USA.
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    "Dr. Shiva has authored more than 20 books on globalization, food supply, eco-feminism and biotechnology. Her writings reveal that modern industrial agriculture, a high-cost, chemical-intensive method, is actually a recipe for hunger. As an expert on biodiversity and intellectual property rights (IPR) legislation, Dr. Shiva has received numerous awards. She has assisted Africa, Asia, Latin America, Ireland, Switzerland and Austria in grassroots campaigns against genetic engineering. Time Magazine named her an environmental hero in 2003."

    You may or may not agree with her opinion (I do), but here's some interesting reading on the topic!
    http://honoluluweekly.com/cover/2013...d-as-weapon-2/
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    The latest issue of Consumer Report had this to say about GMO labeling.

    The labeling of genetically modified food is a hot topic. More than a million people signed a petition presented to the Food and Drug Administration asking for such foods to be labeled. California's Proposition 37, which would have required GMO labels, was defeated in November after the chemical industry and agribusiness poured $45 million into fighting it. (matapule and uaifi voted in favor of Prop 37) Consumers Union, which supported the bill and others at the federal and state levels, believes that consumers have the right to know what's in their food.
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    Today, for the first time, I noticed that one brand of almond milk was labeled "non GMO certified" via a small sign attached to the front of the shelf by Whole Foods. It was $2.99 vs Whole Foods brand (365) almond milk which was not similarly labeled and cost $2.49. I opted to pay 50 cents more!

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    Just another hero-consumer! Give the girl a hand, somebody.
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    The Hawaii Senate has set aside a bill that would have required labeling of imported GMO food. An interesting exercise would be to go to this link and check out the Monsanto contributions between 2004-2012 to Hawaii state legislators:http://www.followthemoney.org/databa...2=T#sorttable2

    Here's the story on the Senate's decision from Yahoo News:

    The Hawaii Senate committees on agriculture, consumer protection and health agreed Thursday to table a proposal that would have required labels on imported genetically modified food.
    Sen. Rosalyn Baker, chairwoman of the consumer protection committee, says lawmakers are worried about how labeling might hurt the island's food industry.
    She says instead of a bill, senators are going to push a resolution to ensure that more research is done about genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

    http://news.yahoo.com/hawaii-senate-...152827278.html

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    http://m.khon2.com/r1606/6cc91abe/

    Will the march help change laws?

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    The legislator had a freudian slip when she mentioned the interests of the

    the food industry.

    Was she placed in office to protect the rights of industry or

    the rights of the common citizen?

    Too often those interest groups are conflated to suggest they are one
    and the same.

    Nope.

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    http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...-labeling-bill

    It's well-intentioned to go after GMO. But, the banning of pesticides in residential areas will eliminate small farmers. The bugs, rats, birds, wild pigs and chickens will make it impossible to grow anything. The only ag business will be GMO who have land far enough away from residents. So, can't buy local.

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    Kauai mayor vetoes controversial GMO bill
    http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...waiinewsnowcom

    "After years of controversy and protest, Kauai's Mayor has vetoed the controversial anti-GMO bill. Mayor Bernard Carvalho said he still supports the bill but believes it would not hold up in court... attention now turns to the County Council, which needs five votes to override the veto. If the earlier 6-1 vote holds, that will be just enough since one of the member's term ends this week."

    Police investigate threats to Kauai Mayor over GMO veto
    http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...o-of-bill-2491

    "Kauai police are investigating threatening phone calls, emails, and social media posts targeting Mayor Bernard Carvalho, Jr. after his veto of a controversial bill on pesticide use and genetically modified crops... Police said their initial investigation indicates the threats are coming from people who are not representative of the anti-GMO movement on Kauai."

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    This is an op-ed by Peter Davies, an expert on GMO currently at UH:

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/editor...esticides.html
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    http://blogs.naturalnews.com/6-healt...-contain-gmos/

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