1. ## Re: Gun Control

Oh, Matapule, certainly your heart is in the right place.

Vote to support the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

If you can figure out a way to control illegal shootings without being a traitor to the U.S. Constitution, I'm with you.

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A blade wielding madman bursts into your home and instantly confronts everyone with injury and worse, leaving you to protect your family in what way since you don't have a weapon of immediate defense handy?

Such situations are occurring daily and the death toll of the defenseless is mounting, not too many legally armed 'crazies' dying at the hands of murderers tho.

3. ## Re: Gun Control

Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield
Such situations are occurring daily and the death toll of the defenseless is mounting, not too many legally armed 'crazies' dying at the hands of murderers tho.
Care to give any links proving your statement is true, or is it just wishful thinking on your part? Actually, one legally armed person was killed by "crazies" murderers in Las Vegas this week! That "self defense" scenario didn't work out as planned by the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut supporters.

In addition, you are changing the parameters to "knife wielding." Let's stick to gun violence on this thread. If you want to talk about knife violence, start a new thread, please.

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Originally Posted by matapule
Care to give any links proving your statement is true, or is it just wishful thinking on your part? Actually, one legally armed person was killed by "crazies" murderers in Las Vegas this week! That "self defense" scenario didn't work out as planned by the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut supporters.

In addition, you are changing the parameters to "knife wielding.".
I didn't say there were none, but the pie to die for chart shows the massive Pizza The Hut slice goes to unprotected gun deaths vs the NY slice for those dying while armed. You don't even have to be paying attention to know that.

I said knife to make it in your favor, so insert whatever firearm you choose into the intruder's hands, and you do what?

5. ## Re: Gun Control

Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield
I didn't say there were none, but the pie to die for chart shows the massive Pizza The Hut slice goes to unprotected gun deaths vs the NY slice for those dying while armed. You don't even have to be paying attention to know that.
What on earth are you talking about? Oh, never mind.

I said knife to make it in your favor, so insert whatever firearm you choose into the intruder's hands, and you do what?
What do I do? I do as the police told me to do if confronted by a person with a weapon of any kind.........

1. comply with their every demand
2. don't give them any attitude or lip
3. don't try to be a (dead) hero
4. stay calm and try to remember as many details as possible

The last thing I want to do is get into a shoot out with an obvious gun nut. And what does this have to do with Second Amendment right to form a militia anyway?

Last month my daughter was on holiday in Lima, Peru. They (2 Americans and 4 Peruvians) were confronted by two gun wielding assailants at a Peruvian's private residence. They all were robbed at gun point. The robbers got about US\$2000 worth of stuff - smart phones, cameras, watches, and costume jewelry (they were preparing to go to a 100th birthday party). They all followed the four principles above. No one was harmed. It was an unpleasant experience but no one died. It had a good ending. The items have all been replaced. We wonder if the good outcome would have been the same had the victims been armed like the gun nuts in the U.S.?

I thought you were done with this thread. Second wind?

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6. ## Political Mind Control from the peanut gallery

Obviously misinformed Matapule:
what does this have to do with Second Amendment right to form a militia anyway?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
(Emphasis mine)

Oh yes, militia:

U.S. Code › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 13 › § 311
10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
Current through Pub. Law 113-108.

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

That's many if not most of us. And it's a law, not an opinion.

By law: the militia is defined as able-bodied males of appropriate age who are or intend to become citizens, and whose "right" to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Infringed, from the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

in·fringe verb \in-ˈfrinj\
: to do something that does not obey or follow (a rule, law, etc.) ( chiefly US )
: to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights)

Matapule signs out:
People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow
This fits his condition well: he has formed FIRM opinions with little knowledge.

It's the law of the land. You have three choices, leave, or try to change it through the proper channels. Or be a traitor.
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Originally Posted by matapule
What do I do? I do as the police told me to do
Then you die because there is no time to cooperate or try reasoning with the homicidal maniac in question. And that's why we'll continue going in circles here because I want people to have the choice to arm themselves to their satisfaction of defense in midst of an insane world and some wish to keep lawful citizens at unreasonable risk.

8. ## Re: Gun Control

Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield
Then you die because there is no time to cooperate or try reasoning with the homicidal maniac in question.
Data and statistics from law enforcement agencies say that you are completely wrong...........but that wouldn't be the first time.

I want protection from "law abiding" gun nuts and right now the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut members don't give me that choice.

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9. ## Re: Gun Control

You argue with Ron, but have no response to my legal statements.

You ignore the truth, but banter with opinions.

People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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Originally Posted by matapule
Data and statistics from law enforcement agencies say that you are completely wrong...........but that wouldn't be the first time.

I want protection from "law abiding" gun nuts and right now the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut members don't give me that choice.
Bull, homicidal maniacs win way more than the unsuspecting and unarmed innocents, please don't bend stats to win your futile argument.

Give me the terror of law abiding gun nuts and the according choices to what we have increasingly now any day. Yet you want to take that choice away from others...

11. ## Re: Gun Control

Originally Posted by matapule

STRICT GUN CONTROL NOW!
Shouldn't you just include this in your signature at this point, right along side of
People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

12. ## Re: Gun Control

Originally Posted by TATTRAT
Shouldn't you just include this in your signature at this point, right along side of
If you don't have something substantive to add, then the best you can do is respond with sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by matapule
If you don't have something substantive to add, then the best you can do is respond with sarcasm.
I'm in. I'm in. I'm ready for some competitive banter. I'm not a fan of sarcasm. So, I dropped my drawers and shot off my six shooter.
Blank dis. Blank dat.

14. ## Re: Gun Control

Originally Posted by TATTRAT
Shouldn't you just include this in your signature at this point, right along side of
I found that quite substantive and right on, as well!

I think Matapule is just a hypocrite in denial. My opinion.

I'm NOT calling him names, that's just the impression I get from his rants.

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Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk
Blank dis. Blank dat.
The punchline is shooting blanks. I'm surprised no one got a wheelhouse setup line.

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NRA Fights For Convicted Stalkers' Gun Rights

"Domestic abusers who have access to guns are over seven times more likely to kill their partners than those who don't have such access. A report released by the Center for American Progress last week shows that stalkers and physically abusive dating partners can be just as deadly as a violent spouse."

Those who support the terrorist organization NRA and their policies are just as culpable.

The only thing that scares me more than a bad guy with a gun is a "good guy" with a gun.

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17. ## Re: Gun Control

Originally Posted by matapule
Those who support the terrorist organization NRA and their policies are just as culpable.
Terrorists are those who attempt to deprive us of life, liberty and happiness. I think you fit the bill - as you fight to reverse the constitutional Bill of Rights.

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Originally Posted by matapule
Those who support the terrorist organization NRA and their policies are just as culpable.
Interesting. The NRA is supporting the Constitutional Bill of Rights.

You are fighting the Constitution, and the bill of rights.

YOU are the terrorist, and a Nazist. Hitler said Universal Gun Control would bring peace and security, and look where that went.

"Germany - 1938 -- Adolph Hitler's Nazi Germany established gun control in 1938, just prior to the implementation of his horrendous, murderous campaign to exterminate the Jews. In the end, 13 million Jews and other perceived lesser races were killed by Hitler and his Nazi Party.

In 1942, at the height of the Second World War and German advances, Hitler said:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country."

http://www.naturalnews.com/039264_gu...#ixzz35nmvQuJd

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Is this what happens when you use the five finger discount?

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Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk
Is this what happens when you use the five finger discount?
This is the logical, acceptable conclusion when police handle the situation rather than a bunch of trigger happy paranoid gun nut yahoos who support the terrorist organization NRA. (kudos to the brave dog too)

The only thing that scares me more than a bad guy with a gun is a "good guy" with a gun.

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Originally Posted by matapule
This is the logical, acceptable conclusion when police handle the situation rather than a bunch of trigger happy paranoid gun nut yahoos who support the terrorist organization NRA. (kudos to the brave dog too)

The only thing that scares me more than a bad guy with a gun is a "good guy" with a gun.

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This is called execution without the right to trial. The LA police are fascist pawns of a corrupt government. All they had to do was wait till he ran out of ammo, or ask him to throw down the gun and come out hands up, then arrest him and arraign him for trial and punishment.

The cops are allegedly "good guys" with guns - Matapule's right: be scared of these "good guys," they shoot first and ask questions later.

The dog bit him, he didn't shoot the dog, but the cops just stormed in and shot him. (Lucky we live Hawaii?)

STRICT GOVERNMENT CONTROL NOW!

This is what happens when the government ignores the Constitution.
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22. ## Re: Gun Control

Originally Posted by matapule
This is the logical, acceptable conclusion when police handle the situation. . .
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ame...lled-iraq-war/

Perhaps, like you say, strict gun control now, perhaps we should control THOSE that carry guns as a daily uniform standard.

Are police not trained to use non-lethal methods?

Why are so many citizens being killed by the ever imposing, militarized police force? Why are so many boys(and girls)in blue using a badge and uniform to intimidate, harass and even kill? Law enforcement no longer protects and/or, serves, they are in the business of "law enforcement", and are increasingly stopping at nothing to go straight to the lowest common denominator, a gun, while tasers are almost standard issue now days.

Where is your outrage with that?

It's not just "gun crazy nut jobs" that are killing people, ya know?

23. ## Re: Gun Control

Originally Posted by Kaonohi
This is called execution without the right to trial. The LA police are fascist pawns of a corrupt government. All they had to do was wait till he ran out of ammo, or ask him to throw down the gun and come out hands up, then arrest him and arraign him for trial and punishment.

The cops are allegedly "good guys" with guns - Matapule's right: be scared of these "good guys," they shoot first and ask questions later.

The dog bit him, he didn't shoot the dog, but the cops just stormed in and shot him. (Lucky we live Hawaii?)

STRICT GOVERNMENT CONTROL NOW!

This is what happens when the government ignores the Constitution.

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Originally Posted by TATTRAT
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ame...lled-iraq-war/

Perhaps, like you say, strict gun control now, perhaps we should control THOSE that carry guns as a daily uniform standard.

Are police not trained to use non-lethal methods?

Why are so many citizens being killed by the ever imposing, militarized police force? Why are so many boys(and girls)in blue using a badge and uniform to intimidate, harass and even kill? Law enforcement no longer protects and/or, serves, they are in the business of "law enforcement", and are increasingly stopping at nothing to go straight to the lowest common denominator, a gun, while tasers are almost standard issue now days.

Where is your outrage with that?

It's not just "gun crazy nut jobs" that are killing people, ya know?
Agreed. The "Powers that Be" are becoming more and more fascist - becoming the "law of the land" - Summary executions without representation.
Law Enforcement? How about 'executions without trial?'

My outrage: a government going wild, ignoring our constitutional rights, making us targets in an imaginary conflagration.

Lead by pawns such as Matapule, who don't understand the politics.

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https://sg.entertainment.yahoo.com/n...140000341.html

This is The Middle East, I mean America.

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