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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    Ahhh, You mean this part of the story? "A press release from the city made no mention of [his] checkered past."
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  3. #253

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    or that he's just more $$ of the same down the drain

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    just one green industry which we're missing out on http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/...lessness-time/

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    A short sentence in a StarAdvertiser article today caught my attention. The article addresses the potential problems of having rubbish and flammable materials under the roadway bridges in Hawaii.

    Mike ...., 64, has been living on the North Shore side of the bridge for 10 years and pulled out “gas cans, empty motor oil cans” during last month’s cleanup.
    That sentence is what caught my attention about "10 years", that is a very long time to be homeless. Which brings to mind the question that if for many "homeless", is that a lifestyle choice? Sort of a work + bills vs free-spirited-homelessness?

    [Disclaimer: I am not referring to the mentally ill or temporary victims of circumstances.]
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    Maybe he got laid off and couldn't get a job because of his age (he was 54 years old), ran out of unemployment benefits and became homeless. And then he couldn't get a job because he was homeless. Vicious cycle.

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    Yeah, maybe. I agree that the cycle of homelessness can be very hard to break.

    But isn't it likely that a healthy person could get a job in their 50's doing at least something that would bring in enough money to not need to live under a bridge? Fast food restaurant, cashier, etc, which are all honest jobs for hard working people who want to work. Which brings around my original question of if "choice" comes into play for some homeless who remain so for years and years?
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    it's both a simple and complicated topic / answer, full time basic labor jobs that pay decent enuf to live normal in Hawaii are scarce, those who are mentally stable and haven't experienced homelessness (or bounced back from it) likely did so by busting their ass in the rat race and sacrificing enjoyments of life just to barely keep off the streets. obviously, not everybody succeeded due to you name it, many indeed finally threw in the towel and 'chose' to live on the streets, and once you're in the homeless spiral you're no longer a healthy person, very few can do homelessness well enuf to avoid the pitfalls, sleep deprivation alone is devastating and if zoning out to the scenery from a cardboard mansion is all they got left then I can't really blame them. the overall answer is free doghouse homes and full basic assistance for all willing to accept positive change in re-starter communities around any afflicted area.

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    In my opinion (whatever that is worth) the real solution to the homeless problem is to build more houses. The real-estate market is one of the few remaining supply and demand markets.
    Not long ago the newspaper published an article that said the island was 20,000 housing units short of what we need. That is apparent in the number of two and three generations in single family homes and the high price of houses. When the supply meets or exceeds the demand, the price will come down.
    But there are many that oppose building houses because they want to save the lands. Sacred, or agricultural they want to save them, but they do not seem to see the cost of that. The cost is the large homeless population.
    I too wish that he island could be like it was in the early 1960’s but that would require the population to return to what it was in the early 1960’s. And that is another can of worms.
    "Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone."
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    One approach to getting additional homes built (especially of the "smaller-and-lower-construction-cost = lower-rent" type of house) would be to lessen the restrictions on building ohana houses. Matter of fact, how about passing a state law that prohibits HOAs from banning ohana housing with that development. If more homeowners were allowed to build an additional smaller home (AKA ohana home), there would many more cheaper places for others to rent.
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    I agree that ohana housing will help relieve the pressure on the housing market, but I don’t think it will be a solution by itself. More homes, individual houses or high rise apartments are needed.
    "Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone."
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    ...said as he reclined in mansorial splendor like a pampered starlette
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/ben-...-stay-in-them/

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    to me it's simple, also long run cost effective, and rebuilds lives to use (new growth industry) converted shipping containers which can be stacked and welded / connected together to form apts. and communities around each island for free monitored habitation with sewers / power / internet, then allow any and all who wish to live in such truncated and monitored surroundings to sign up. this will give struggling renters a viable option to opt out of the losing fight towards building capital and credit, plus provide for all the homeless to become viable or at least safe ...and out of sight as so many desire, and with the housing demand relieved maybe it'll introduce some friggin sense into all the overpricing by the greedy and force legislation to help upper middle class buyers / owners and free up land as we transition.
    there's plenty other considerations but this is the basic start and the rest will be worked out easier once the monster is pacified.

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    it took 4 yrs to come close but still no cigar with the expense and limitations
    http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/03/oah...ublic-housing/

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    you just gotta laff at the circular logic our officials go to in blaming the victims. this is what you get when you create a monster.
    “They are incorrigible,” says State Parks administrator Curt Cottrell of the campers. “They are urban nomads. Short of sending armed guards up the side of the crater every night, we cannot stop the homeless from coming back. No amount of fencing would work. They would cut holes in the fences to climb through. These people like camping. They want to be by themselves. They are service-resistant.” Cottrell says what rankles him most are the piles of garbage left behind. “It is like they are trying to be as messy as possible. The amount of human waste at the camps really bothers me. They are disrespectful to the aina.”
    http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/05/den...-maid-service/

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    Man I have been racking my brain with this issue, no new ideas. How do you balance compassion with hard core enforcement. Either way you look like you not doing your job as a politician. Sorry I still thinking, but so far NO MO.
    Mahalo Terrence K. Teruya

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    Now here is an issue you should run on. I’m sure you have heard the saying that to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity. The City keeps pushing the homeless out of this place and that place and seemingly surprised when they set up somewhere else or come right back. I admit I agreed with Caldwell and his “compassionate disruption”, but I think it is obvious that is not working. The homeless people need to be somewhere, they can’t just vanish into thin air.

    The City’s program putting homeless into homes is OK, but the people being helped are not the ones defecating on Waikiki beach etc. The people being helped are not hard core homeless. And I am guessing that there are more people going homeless then are helped by this expensive program.

    The government needs to take a cue from the homeless camp next to the boat harbor in Waianae. Give them someplace to be. Set up a section of the City/State parks where they can set up their tents. Set up porta potties, trash dumpsters and showers among other things. No large camps as that would be too much of a load on the neighborhood, many smaller camps are preferable.

    The State can get Federal surplus material free of charge. I have seen some of the stuff they have from surplus shoes to tents, to clothing and much more. Plus, the Army knows how to set up camps with showers etc. and the stuff to do that comes up as surplus from time to time.

    These camps can then be a place the various State and City organizations can access the homeless much easier than beating through the brush.

    A few years ago, I was in the Boston area. I drove down to Rode Island, Cape Cod and back. I did not see one homeless person or camp. We need to find out what they are doing and apply it here.
    "Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone."
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    Thank you very much for the input, something to look into, Im going to check right now and see how and what they are doing.
    Mahalo Terrence K. Teruya

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68-eldo View Post
    The City’s program putting homeless into homes is OK, but the people being helped are not the ones defecating on Waikiki beach etc. The people being helped are not hard core homeless.

    A few years ago, I was in the Boston area. I drove down to Rode Island, Cape Cod and back. I did not see one homeless person or camp. We need to find out what they are doing and apply it here.
    City Hall has long said their housing efforts were for the most vulnerable street dwellers and then made QUALIFYING impossible for them.

    Boston runs any homeless they find right outta town. no compassion, no help.

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    looking good at a glance, hoping this happens far faster and broader for all on the streets
    http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/06/the...ked-in-hawaii/

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    no homeless camp destitution for the Big Island rich! http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3...aced-residents

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