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    So, we'll see around May Day just where City minds are regarding the issues now that they envision millions of $ to be availed. Meanwhile, there seems to be some levelheaded thinking as stated in the article, yet The City only now is "looking at what resources may already be available in the community". This obvious angle is a few decades late, had it been a focus all along we might never have had a huge homeless issue. http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...1&id=199989131

  2. #77

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    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...l?id=201280321

    Do you believe in Mayor Caldwell?

  3. #78

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    I'm not a fan, but the jury is still out on our Mayor as he's still new, so we'll see how it goes with his 'housing first' aspect. It's better than anything else proposed from what I've seen, finally showing some common sense and compassion which has been sorely lacking from those at the top.
    Last edited by Ron Whitfield; April 5th, 2013 at 09:30 AM.

  4. #79

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    http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...-with-the-boot

    What if the homeless with cars park there? Can they leave the boot on their vehicles in the lot?

  5. #80

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    Proper caring for property such as cars will always be a huge part of any attempt at the problems, that's just one reason why things like tent cities are doomed from the start, there's just too much involved that can quickly get nasty.

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    http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=202657321
    Yes, the answers to all the problems at Thomas Square is a... cafe and sculpture garden!
    Gee, Mayor, we've already seen (and unfortunately continue to see) The City's Pawaa Park idea of (maybe) costly park sculptures, no thanx. It should be renamed to what I call it, Bad Scupture Park. And just where does he think a building for a cafe will fit at TS, visually or physically? Yes, it will be nice to have the fountain working again and hopefully maintained along with the rest of the park instead of ignored for so long, but does he think there will be a rejuvenation of park love for TS that will make any difference? Mr. and Mrs. Crack Whore have been back on the HAoA's side for weeks doing what they do right at the park's mauka/DH gateway, the stench and fights remain and it's probably still queer city once the sun sets, so not a lot of progress there for all those who've been errantly whining about how the homeless/deOccupy have destroyed the park. Those who've been there in tents and less this last year are way better than those that lived there before them, where was all the outrage then?

  7. #82

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    Look's like The City brains have been in smoking overdrive concerning the Thomas Square squatters and ways to be even meaner and stupider towards any solutions other than the latest maneuver of quasi Fasi planter boxes all along the Beretania sidewalk with just the legal amount of space left for pedestrians to walk single file the entire block. Terrific. I wonder if the afore mentioned complainer will now bust out her Mom's big ol' walker and see if she can get past the boxes? And will it make getting out of your parked car on the sidewalk side any easier? Doesn't seeem like it. Bravo, City misleaders, you certainly deserve every pay raise you constantly give yourselves. I can't wait for the next exciting episode!

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    I still think that an area set aside for the homeless tents is a good idea.

    I remember the homeless tent cities along the Leeward side some 10 years ago; people policed their own area, made their own rules, caused no or little trouble and the city still kicked them out, so they landed in town.

    I am certain that there is a rural area along a busline, out of the way of tourists and 'gentry' that can make a quiet, clean, area for those less fortunate than us to create their tent homes, establish security and regulate interactions to their satisfaction.

    I had a man squatting on my property for about 6 months last year. We tried to help him find alternate shelter, but the "lockers for personal gear," and the 'rules and regs' were more than he could tolerate. We gave him a deadline, and he almost made it. He still has my $200 tent, somewhere on the North Shore, on a farm, that he promises to return 'as soon as it's clean.' Like I care. I wish him well. He was (is) good people in a difficult situation.

    In He`eia is an immense tract of land allegedly used for cattle farming, between Kahekili and Kam Highway. I'm certain they have an acre unused to set aside for the homeless. In fact there are SO MANY unused acres on Oahu that could be used for the homeless, if people would just open their aloha.

    Give them a spot - let them live on their own terms - don't interfere - help as requested, and as is possible. How hard can it be?

    Gypsies lived in caravans and tents across Europe in the earlier years, quite successfully. Maybe we need our new brand of Hawaiian Gypsies (Hypsies?) to solve their own problems if we just let them, and we get out of the way.

    Perhaps I need to send this to the Honolulu Weekly....

    (I hereby give permission for the reprinting of the above in any publication. If you need my particulars, just ask.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    Gypsies lived in caravans and tents across Europe in the earlier years, quite successfully.
    I suggest you omit "quite successfully". The history of the Gypsies has been one of discrimination and persecution. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._Romani_people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregLee View Post
    I suggest you omit "quite successfully". The history of the Gypsies has been one of discrimination and persecution. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._Romani_people.
    You mean like we discriminate and persecute the Honolulu Homeless? Well, we are more... gentle.

    Good point. And thanks for the reference to Roma history.

    Let me substitute "relatively successful," as the alternative was death for Roma.
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    Tent cities are the bottom of the barrel for workable solutions, they are not what I'd say a civilized/progressive community should be OK with and don't provide a situation for anybody to improve their sorry situation, we need to do better. Besides, they are doomed from the start as most street people can't/won't police themselves let alone anything beyond that. For some it can work to a base degree as seen re Cedar Church in Kalihi but that's a small group that can be fairly easily controlled, overall it's impossible to maintain order unless security is very strict. Plus, for many out in the country, rural areas work because most folk group together to provide basic needs, for many they don't do well around others and usually the Chinatown area is the only place they can survive. Most homeless will be able to travel yet refuse to be stuck out in the boonies when they have to constantly travel for free meals and such. The problem is too huge for anything but real ideas to work well and whatever suitable is done we will see an entire city made up of homeless ready to take advantage, thousands of people, that's what has been created by ignoring the problem for decades.

    I see some Thomas Square area tents have migrated onto sidewalk space along King St. fronting Blaisdell Concert Hall, now both sides of King St. at that point have become a rouge tent city gauntlet which traffic constantly passes thru. Seems the nastier The City gets about this the more frustrated they're bound to become playing whack-a-mole, good for them. If it weren't such a serious propblem it'd be hillarious watching these fools futilly thrash around trying to placate selfish crybabies instead of actually solving the issues to any degree.
    Last edited by Ron Whitfield; April 27th, 2013 at 11:06 AM.

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    Well, we're movin' on... over there!
    Since the invasion of City planter boxes on Beretania at Thomas Square to displace the homeless campers, they've multiplied and many somehow managed to find their way directly over to King St., right where the squatters had moved. AMAZING! So, deOccupy and Co. crossed to front Blaisdell Concert Hall for a week and then around the corner onto Piikoi. In the next exciting episode, can The City meanies keep up with these few remaining derelict's evasion of exclusion? Stay tuned!
    Last edited by Ron Whitfield; May 21st, 2013 at 08:40 AM.

  13. #88

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    Oops, The City dropped it's guard and now the TS tents are creeping back to the Beretania side that is no longer roped off at the park's corners. Lot's of work crews in and around getting the park in order for it's 170th birthday after decades of ignoring it.

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    Tents are still creeping back, now at the Beretania and Piikoi corner, better call out the National Guard!

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    In the current Weekly http://honoluluweekly.com/feature/20...ning-the-park/ it's stated that some have found there indeed is not the legally required space along the sidewalk at Beretania for wheelchairs to pass the planters The City has placed to displace squatters, thus breaking the same law they persecute others for breaking, even tho there was legal room with the larger tents there. Nice.

  16. #91

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    Today's SA details how at least 1 out of every 6 children live in poverty http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...1&id=212719661
    This is not how we retain 'greatest nation' status.

  17. #92

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    Oh goody, Mayor Compassion is on the job!
    This guy's idea of compassion is greatly underwhelming. Next!

  18. #93

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    Tents and signs are nowhere to be seen at/around Thomas Square now and City crews are pressure washing the sidewalks, ooooooooo, it must be time for it's 150th anni. Hopefully the tents/signs/unwanted people/protesters will be back in overabundance asap to continue speaking up for civil freedoms and against unjust practices, just as the park was designed for. Maybe they'll even have the fountain working again?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...r_no_work.html
    A recent study has 80% of the Nation's adult population, who maybe most have children, already in or facing poverty with no jobs future ahead. This is INSANE, and it's time for the population to explode against our mishandlers in seats of local and DC power before it get's so worse that innocent lives are lost en mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...r_no_work.html
    A recent study has 80% of the Nation's adult population, who maybe most have children, already in or facing poverty with no jobs future ahead. This is INSANE, ...
    The 80% figure may give a somewhat exaggerated view of the problem. The AP story this is derived from says:
    But compared with the official poverty rate, some of the biggest jumps under the newer measure are among whites, with more than 76 percent enduring periods of joblessness, life on welfare or near-poverty.
    This has been criticized for including new high school and college graduates among those "enduring periods of joblessness", simply because they don't have jobs yet. I didn't have a job lined up when I graduated from high school, or from college, either, so I was literally enduring periods of joblessness. Big deal.
    Greg

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregLee View Post
    The 80% figure may give a somewhat exaggerated view of the problem. This has been criticized for including new high school and college graduates among those "enduring periods of joblessness", simply because they don't have jobs yet. I didn't have a job lined up when I graduated from high school, or from college, either, so I was literally enduring periods of joblessness. Big deal.
    Lot's of kids don't wait until graduating to seek employment, I was working nearly full time at 15 and at 16 was full time during the graveyard shift, and boy was that party central!
    Besides, what kind of job market are HS grads looking at? Pretty much nada for REAL work that pays REAL money that they'll need to advance in society or even get out of their parents house, so I don't see much exaggeration. Even if we say 60% are in/near poverty, that's a woefully weakened nation, one just waiting for any number of major problems to unsettle our democracy, not that our Gmt. needs any help in accomplishing that now... Not a big deal?

  21. #96

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...184044842.html

    What happens when this NBA player becomes bankrupt in a few years?

  22. #97

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    What happens when this NBA player becomes bankrupt in a few years?
    He can join the many other overpaid pros that blew managing their millions and start a new league, or start a program that solves homelessness.

  23. #98

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    In today's Sunday SA it's detailed how former Gov. republican Linda Lingle's draconian cutback of funds to community health services greatly accerbated the already bad problem and left monies for only the most severly impaired to have a chance at case management, housing services, and treatment for various problems. But even worse was the elimination of the successful Assertive Community Treatment teams that provided pro-active outreach, leaving thousands without help or much hope, and since then numbers of afflicted has increased dramatically in all aspects.

  24. #99

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    Universal signage for the multi-racial homeless problem in Hawaii?
    http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/b...to-create.html

    I fail to see any significant benefit from this excercise. The Street Beat periodical available island-wide covers way more info on any/all services and such, and anyone who doesn't know where to go for these things isn't trying much. I certainly hope this pow wow is focusing on more important issues that can help the massive problem beyond signs as it seems few if any are.

  25. #100

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    They've gotten rid of all the squatters at Thomas Square and now it looks... just the same as it did when they were there, only without them. I thot it was supposed to be better, what happened?

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