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    Congratulations to the new senator. I think he's a good choice.

    And thank-yous to whoever corrected the spelling on this thread's title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    And thank-yous to whoever corrected the spelling on this thread's title.
    I saw that too, but I thought "secede" was just an alternate spelling for "succeed."
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    Did Abercrombie disrespect Dan Inouye's deathbed request?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    I saw that too, but I thought "secede" was just an alternate spelling for "succeed."
    The loss of k in the pronunciation of words like "succeed" is the subject of a blog article by Jan Freeman here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    Suprise suprise suprise!
    I'm not.

    From the time Abercrombie was first elected to the state legislature and all the way up to becoming governor, he was able to win his elections without riding on Inouye's coattails. Whatever choice he made, I had a good feeling all along that Neil wasn't going to be influenced by any feelings of obligation to the late senator.
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    I think the "deathbed wish" angle was foul play in the political arena. Regardless of who is involved, I am glad that other things were brought in to consideration when decision making came about.

    Meanwhile, I do not personally feel Schatz is nearly as politically experienced as some others that were vying for the position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    Congratulations to the new senator. I think he's a good choice.
    Me too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    Did Abercrombie disrespect Dan Inouye's deathbed request?
    No. It was wrong of Sen. Inouye to expect to 'appoint' the next Senator.
    It wasn't his place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    From the time Abercrombie was first elected to the state legislature and all the way up to becoming governor, he was able to win his elections without riding on Inouye's coattails.
    Whatever choice he made, I had a good feeling all along that Neil wasn't going to be influenced by any feelings of obligation to the late senator.
    Yes, that's right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amati View Post
    I think the "deathbed wish" angle was foul play in the political arena. Regardless of who is involved, I am glad that other things were brought in to consideration when decision making came about.

    Meanwhile, I do not personally feel Schatz is nearly as politically experienced as some others that were vying for the position.
    Agree with the first part and hope the best for Schatz.
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    Is there any reason why Hanabusa couldn't have run for Akaka's seat so that Inouye could really have mentored her?

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    Perhaps it was seen as a better strategy to keep Hanabusa as the incumbent Representative, than to chance loosing a race for Senate.

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    Perhaps she was waiting in the wings (as a Rep.), thinking it would be a slam-dunk for her to be appointed to an open Senate seat whenever that became an option.

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    There has been more made of the "deathbed wish" than was there in reality, with there being a political motivation behind the widespread news stories about the so-called-wish.

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    There is an element to the situation kind of like, "Oh, gee, I'd have invited you to last week's big picnic but I lost your phone number", in other words, actions speak louder than words, in this case from the Democratic party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D'Alani View Post
    Is there any reason why Hanabusa couldn't have run for Akaka's seat so that Inouye could really have mentored her?
    If Hanabusa ran for Akaka's seat, that would have put her on a direct collision course against Hirono.

    Both women like to portray themselves as being Inouye proteges. If that's true, then it shouldn't be surprising that Senator Dan didn't want his two prized acolytes in the House running against each other in the primary, which would possibly open the way for an interloper like Ed Case to emerge victorious. Hirono was in the House 4 years longer than Hanabusa, so Inouye probably orchestrated things along the lines of having Hirono join him in the Senate and to groom her as Hawaii's future senior senator, and then eventually stepping aside to make room for Hanabusa to be the jr. senator. But unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your political POV), that master plan was scuttled when Inouye's health didn't cooperate.

    Speaking of seniority, I can't help but be amused that in terms of service time and swear-in date, Brian Schatz shall henceforth be our senior senator, even though Hirono was elected to that body before Schatz's appointment. I have the feeling that this will be a source of irritation to Mazie for years to come.
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    [quote=....which would possibly open the way for an interloper like Ed Case to emerge victorious. [/quote]

    Inouye being the humble man that he was so often protrayed as could not forgive Case for running against Akaka after all those years? Did anyone ever bother to ask Akaka what his feelings were at the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    I have the feeling that this will be a source of irritation to Mazie for years to come.
    I doubt it. She's been in politics long enough to have developed a thick enough skin to ignore that.

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    Mazie is one of only two Democratic gubernatorial candidates to lose to a Republican in a very long time. If I were her, I'd be thinking my lucky stars I've gotten as far as I have. The senior/junior thing shouldn't bug her one iota.
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    May the Schatz be with you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    I doubt it. She's been in politics long enough to have developed a thick enough skin to ignore that.
    Boy, you have no idea of how easily the seeds of jealousy and rivalry flourish among politicians. I've heard stories at both the city council and the state legislature of lawmakers and their aides getting on each other's wrong sides over petty stuff. Is it any different in the beltway? Yeah right.

    But in the case of Schatz and Hirono, the titles of senior and junior senator is far from only being ceremonial in nature. Schatz being sworn in yesterday means he not only has a leg up on Hirono, but on the entire freshman class of 12 senators who won't take office until January of next year. Seniority will have an impact on how committee assignments are handed out now, and how positions of rank and leadership are divvied out in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    Mazie is one of only two Democratic gubernatorial candidates to lose to a Republican in a very long time. If I were her, I'd be thinking my lucky stars I've gotten as far as I have. The senior/junior thing shouldn't bug her one iota.
    Taking a long haul look over her entire career, you may very well be right. Hirono should be grateful for having gone as far as she has, in spite of her past setbacks and deficiencies. But as the old saying goes, ambition knows no bounds. And there's no shortage of ambition over in Capitol Hill.

    Human nature being what it is, I don't see how Hirono could not feel at least a little bit irked over this latest development. Put yourself in her shoes and be honest with yourself for a moment: You've spent the last year and a half tirelessly campaigning, handshaking, fundraising, engaging in contentious debates, hosting town halls, making innumerable media and public appearances, and doing the gazillion other things it took to be a Senator Elect. It's not hard to embrace the role of junior senator, when your legislative partner is a larger-than-life historical figure who has toiled in Washington DC for a half-century. It's quite another feeling to play second banana to a 40-year-old who has spent a few days lobbying in his home state and suddenly being appointed to a senior senator role that he might hang onto for a good long while.

    And please.... no quotes from Hirono in an effort to prove me wrong. Of course, Mazie isn't going to start off her career in the Senate on the wrong foot. In front of the camera, she'll be the loyal Democratic spearholder, preaching party unity and being a team player. It's what she's good at, and it's gotten her to where she is at today. After 30 years, she's not going to depart from that formula.

    But deep down inside, Mazie can't be feeling all sunshine and lollipops over the chain of events that were triggered by Inouye's death. The one consolation she does have is that she won't have to face re-election again until 2018. In contrast, Schatz will have to go out and campaign in 2014 and '16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    But deep down inside, Mazie can't be feeling all sunshine and lollipops over the chain of events that were triggered by Inouye's death.
    Well, aren't we all lucky here that we have you to tell us her inner thoughts? You're so good at filling us in on how other people think, thank you for that. [/teasing]

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    History-maker: Mazie Hirono or Colleen Hanabusa?
    Hirono allies are now lobbying top Hawaii Democratic Party officials to ensure the appointed senator is sworn in on the same day as the duly elected one as a matter of basic fairness. Under that scenario, Hirono, who was elected to succeed retiring Sen. Daniel Akaka, would be the senior senator from Hawaii since she’s served longer in the House.

    “There is a concern among a certain constituency that if the newly appointed person is sworn in before Mazie, it doesn’t seem fair on its face,” Hawaii Democratic Party Chairman Dante Carpenter told POLITICO on Wednesday.
    “Some of her campaign supporters are concerned it would give an undue advantage,” he added. “It doesn’t smack of fairness in an institution that is supposed to be the fairest of the land.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon View Post
    Interesting article. I found this part very telling.

    Asked whether she was concerned about the possibility Hawaii’s other senator could become more senior than her, Hirono replied: “They’re expecting us to be sworn in on the same day.”
    Sure, Mazie. Being sworn in on the same day as any of the 3 finalists for the appointed position (Hanabusa, Schatz, Kia'aina) would have preserved that precious status of being Hawaii's senior senator for yourself, based off of your years spent in the House.

    Leo and Scriv, say what you want about Hirono being indifferent on the matter. But right there, this kind of statement shows that seniority is very much on Mazie's mind. She didn't want an Abercrombie appointee to be sworn in before her, even if that opportunity would give Inouye's successor a leg up on the 2013 freshman class, which would be of benefit to our state.

    Thank goodness for Harry Reid making his urgent plea for our state to appoint someone to fill Inouye's seat ASAP. With the fiscal cliff negotiations on the line, it sucked the air out of Hirono's camp from making a big stink. For that, we should be very grateful.
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    Besides the designation of "senior", on bio listings for each Senator, when it gives years of service, it will be:

    Schatz, serving in the Senate since 2012.
    Hirono, serving in the Senate since 2013
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    Within a few months, when things are not as fresh in the public's mind, it is going to seem like Schatz has an additional year on Hirono, not just a few weeks.
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