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  • #76
    Re: Snowden/NSA

    America spies on its own citizens and friendly nations??? Every country with a developed intelligence service does this and has been doing this and some nations since ancient times. Why is this such a "surprise"?

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    • #77
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      As some have noted recently, if our allied leaders are so outraged by recent revelations and want to send the right message to Obama they should offer Snowden asylum.
      https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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      • #78
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        The US Gov is mad because Snowden violated their privacy. The whole irony of it all is hilarious as more and more comes out.
        flickr

        An email from God:
        To: People of Earth
        From: God
        Date: 9/04/2007
        Subject: stop

        knock it off, all of you

        seriously, what the hell


        --
        God

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        • #79
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          The fact that such pertinent info keeps coming out and often at just the right moments must have them flipping out. Too bad it's merely the tip of the iceberg that needs to be exposed.
          https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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          • #80
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            Idiot scum...
            http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-la...-politics.html
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            • #81
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              Originally posted by GregLee View Post
              No, it's when it's against the law.
              Clearly, you failed Journalism 365 (Media and the Law). Truth is NEVER against the law. It is the ultimate and most pure legal defense. “We hold these truths to be self-evident...” Duh!

              We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

              — U.S. President Bill Clinton
              USA TODAY, page 2A
              11 March 1993

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              • #82
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                Originally posted by TuNnL View Post
                Clearly, you failed Journalism 365 (Media and the Law). Truth is NEVER against the law.
                This is not so. An obvious example is reporting true facts about troop movements in time of war. If you think saying the truth ought never to be against the law, you're welcome to your opinion, but that doesn't make it so. Sometimes the truth is actually against the law. And just to be especially clear, by "against the law" I mean there are laws that say you can't do something, not that there ought to be such laws, and not that you could be successfully prosecuted under such laws. Those are different issues. I was using "against the law" to mean against the law.
                Greg

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                • #83
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                  Originally posted by GregLee View Post
                  This is not so. An obvious example is reporting true facts about troop movements in time of war.
                  I think you are on to something relevant, such as along the lines of there being an overriding government interest, or extreme danger to national security?
                  Now run along and play, but don’t get into trouble.

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                  • #84
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                    Originally posted by Amati View Post
                    I think you are on to something relevant, such as along the lines of there being an overriding government interest, or extreme danger to national security?
                    The relevance is that it is treasonous. Treason is a crime.
                    Article 3, section 3, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy is an element in the crime of Treason. Aid and comfort may consist of substantial assistance or the mere attempt to provide some support; actual help or the success of the enterprise is not relevant.
                    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...id+and+comfort
                    Greg

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                    • #85
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                      http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/re...ily-2D11697922

                      You are here!

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                      • #86
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                        Gotta luv'it! The hits just keep on coming and The Globe says it's only released 1% of what Snowden provided and has been vigilant in refraining in putting out names and info that would seriously jeopardize anybody/thing. Yet we get all this caterwauling from various spy agency heads and politicians that it's so horrendous. Only for sun hating scum. Shine the light, baby!
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                        • #87
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                          It just keeps getting better, now NSA officials are tossing around the A word - amnesty, but DC covert ops, Hayden, who has his own very dirty laundry is adamant about not considering it. Fine, it'll just keep getting worse for those who deserve it.
                          http://www.usatoday.com/story/theova...ayden/4038753/
                          http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/1...for-documents/

                          And today we see more tides turning in favor of Snowden's efforts with a judge saying the NSA's spying is unconstitutional;
                          http://news.yahoo.com/judge-deals-ns...192758776.html
                          https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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                          • #88
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                            Hoo boy! An examination of the recent 60 mins. int. w/NSA liars http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...utes-cbs-facts
                            The reader comments are just as interesting, but worthless media like this Miller guy are equally the problem of the last 15 years.
                            https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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                            • #89
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                              Look's like Snowden has accomplished his main goal, to get this BS out in public view with discussion and more importantly to get reforms moving towards institution.
                              http://news.yahoo.com/obama-to-relea...185643396.html

                              I wonder how long it will take the jackasses of this and other countries to finally admit they've been seriously wrong about Snowden and who just can't manage to do it.
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                              • #90
                                Re: Snowden/NSA - telling the truth

                                Originally posted by Kaonohi View Post
                                Since when is telling the truth a punishable offense? Oh, right, when it flows against the status quo.
                                Originally posted by GregLee View Post
                                No, it's when it's against the law.
                                Originally posted by Kaonohi View Post
                                Sounds familiar.... Oh yes! 1930's Germany!
                                Originally posted by GregLee View Post
                                Or most anywhere else. Didn't you read your question? "Since when is telling the truth a punishable offense?" Acts that are against the law are punishable offenses -- it's a tautology. There is a dispute about whether Snowden ought to be punished, but no dispute about whether he broke the law.
                                If telling the truth is against U.S. law, we should burn the U.S. Constitution, abolish all courts and government agencies and start from scratch.

                                We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

                                — U.S. President Bill Clinton
                                USA TODAY, page 2A
                                11 March 1993

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