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  • #46
    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    Originally posted by TuNnL View Post
    Here we go with the name-calling, again.
    That's what TeaBaggers call themselves.

    I was in elementary school, but regardless, who cares whether Reagan, Bush, Clinton or Obama is president when they Congress does it?
    You were in elementary school when Bush II was President? Okay, that explains a lot. Regardless, you did not speak up then when Bush II was President. Everything is partisan to you.

    It’s wrong to keep charging a trillion-dollar credit card, period
    I agree, that is why we need a Federal tax increase to pay for Bush II's war in Iraq. I have been critical of the Dumbocrats here on HT for not insisting on a tax increase as part of the Federal budget. Federal taxes have never been lower than since the 1950's.

    but I highly doubt it.
    What, no facts to back up your OPINION? You keep making these outrageous, "drive by opinions" on HT and when you are proven wrong, you hunker down someplace in hiding.

    Much more likely the money came from the billion$$$ we saved through the sequester. Too bad we continue to negate it by racking up more "stimulus" spending.
    Actually the Federal debt is decreasing, but the sequester is only part of the reason. Obama has actually cut waste from the budget separate from the sequester.


    If Congress had included a single-payer system in the Obamacare bill, it wouldn’t be such a disaster!
    Because Boner and the Republican House opposed a single payer system which is what the Dumbocrats wanted. Barry did compromise. Where were you then? Oh, that's right in grammar school!

    As it stands now, Obamacare will bankrupt all medical insurance companies well before a single-payer system is put in place. At that point, the “single-payer system” will be the ONLY system, and therefore, they can charge whatever price they want for premiums. You need look no further than the explicit action taken by President Obama on July 2. Barry used an executive order (wow, he does that a lot, doesn’t he? Kind of like a totalitarian dictator) to delay the employer mandate provision which as you so ignorantly deny, prevents big business from being penalized for noncompliance with Obamacare in 2014.
    Exemptions for big business was a compromise that Boner and the Republicans in Congress demanded at the time. You are right IT IS Barry's fault for compromising with the TeaBaggers on anything.

    Why not let the ACA proceed as designed and then when it bankrupts all the insurance companies, you can say "I told you so!"?

    Obama has signed fewer Executive Orders than Bush II did but I guess he was not a "black totalitarian dictator". But how could you know that since you were in grammar school at the time and never learned how to go back and research history! Doesn't say much for the Hawaiian grammar school system. Now you need to be schooled by your elders.
    Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

    People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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    • #47
      Re: Government Shutdown 2013

      Stevie let loose on republicans as soon as he got their full attention just 3 songs into the set, forcefully calling them out with "republicans, knock off the crap!" and then integrating the phrase into the song's refrain. He got some applause from the tonies but you know there had to be some frowns that refused to turn upside down the rest of the nite. It was really fun.
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      • #48
        Re: Government Shutdown 2013

        Hawai'i is one of the ten States most effected by the Federal government shutdown. Congratulations.........I guess. Hawai'i should be more "blue" than ever in the future.
        Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

        People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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        • #49
          Re: Government Shutdown 2013

          http://screen.yahoo.com/salmonella-o...40267-cbs.html

          Thanks for keeping our food safe.

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          • #50
            Re: Government Shutdown 2013

            I've long believed that there is hope for the thinking members of the Republican Party; they are finally grasping the damage being done to their party by the Tea Party faction, according to this Associated Press story out of Des Moines, Iowa (excerpted).
            From county chairmen to national party luminaries, veteran Republicans across the country are accusing tea party lawmakers of staining the GOP with their refusal to bend in the budget impasse in Washington.

            The Republican establishment also is signaling a willingness to strike back at the tea party in next fall's elections.

            "It's time for someone to act like a grown-up in this process," former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu argues, faulting Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and tea party Republicans in the House as much as President Barack Obama for taking an uncompromising stance.

            Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour is just as pointed, saying this about the tea party-fueled refusal to support spending measures that include money for Obama's health care law: "It never had a chance."

            The anger emanating from Republicans like Sununu and Barbour comes just three years after the GOP embraced the insurgent political group and rode its wave of new energy to return to power in the House.

            Now, they're lashing out with polls showing Republicans bearing most of the blame for the federal shutdown, which entered its 11th day Friday. In some places, they're laying the groundwork to take action against the tea party in the 2014 congressional elections.

            Iowa Republicans are recruiting a pro-business Republican to challenge six-term conservative Rep. Steve King, a leader in the push to defund the health care law. Disgruntled Republicans are further ahead in Michigan, where second-term, tea party-backed Rep. Justin Amash is facing a Republican primary challenger who is more in line with — and being encouraged by — the party establishment. And business interest groups, long aligned with the Republican Party, also are threatening to recruit and fund strong challengers to tea party House members.

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            An Associated Press-GfK poll released Wednesday showed why these party loyalists are so concerned: More Republicans told pollsters that the GOP is mishandling the shutdown than is handling it well. And among those who say it's being poorly handled, twice as many Republicans say the party is not doing enough to negotiate with Obama than those who say the party is doing too much.

            Party leaders interviewed said the tea party's demands to defund the health care law — and the House leadership's willingness to follow suit — were distracting from what they said is the GOP's best strategy to recover from its 2012 losses: a focus on reducing long-term spending. They said defunding the health care law would not achieve that goal because the money was already flowing to the law.

            "At the end of the day, you're fighting legislation that's already passed," said former South Carolina Republican Party Chairman Katon Dawson, describing the fight to defund the health care law as a lost cause.
            Entire story:http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/...GOP-Tea-Party/

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            • #51
              Re: Government Shutdown 2013

              It's funny watching a bunch of spoiled rotten rats maniacally screeching at having gotten it all their way and now they can't stand to be anything but sore winners as they watch the last things resembling a political platform vanish completely from their gnarly grasp. All the desperate un-American craziness they've thrown at Obama/Clinton/Dems/libs has been a last gasp failure to retain power and now even hard core denial-loving America rejects the distilled remains the republican party has exposed itself as.
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              • #52
                Re: Government Shutdown 2013

                So supposedly its all over now, but votes are still to be taken. A short news blurb kind of summed it up for me, there are weeds overrunning the presidential gardens. Not much on its own really but symbolic of so much. "There are weeds in the emperor's gardens", how many times do you imagine thats happened in the past, the sign of a system that has passed its prime and is in decline.

                A commentary, I couldn't have said it better: driftglass.blogspot.com/2013/10/junkie-logic.html
                Last edited by Kalalau; October 16, 2013, 02:09 PM.

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                • #53
                  Re: Government Shutdown 2013

                  What have we learn from the shutdown?

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                  • #54
                    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

                    We have learned once again to never ever vote Republican. We should have had that figured out with Nixon, certainly under Bush, and now the point is driven home ever more clearly yet again.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Government Shutdown 2013

                      Originally posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
                      What have we learn from the shutdown?
                      There is a significant minority in Congress who represent a significant minority of the electorate in the US who have been successful in subverting the will of the majority of the electorate through gerrymandering of electoral districts that gives the minority a representation that is not consistent with their relative influence to the whole. And that minority just suffered a major smack down.
                      Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

                      People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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                      • #56
                        Re: Government Shutdown 2013

                        Originally posted by matapule View Post
                        And that minority just suffered a major smack down.
                        Too bad it ain't that much of a minority that it can't be angered right back into viability just because hate and ignorance is so tasty to so many. Redistricting has given the hate covens a bunch of cover to battle to the death, and this latest smackdown wasn't enuf to do much to these hard core extremaroids.
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                        • #57
                          Re: Government Shutdown 2013

                          http://now.msn.com/dianne-riedy-sten...?ocid=ansnow11

                          A fitting end to the shutdown.

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