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    https://www.khon2.com/news/local-new...n-1/1681981961

    What would Family Guy's Brian the Dog would say?

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    Honestly, even fake service dogs would be an improvement over the current situation. People walk into grocery stores with random pet dogs almost daily.

    It’s like, “Hello?” You could easily A. Leave your pet in the car. If it’s hot, leave the windows open a crack. B. Tie up your pet outside the store. C. Carry your pet in a secure, enclosed and ventilated bag or case. D. Leave your pet at home!!!

    The worse part is these “entitled” dog owners get all pissed off when you ask them to leave the store. They have zero respect for the other shoppers who may be allergic to dogs and to store employees who shouldn’t have to clean up dog poo on Aisle 12.

    We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

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    USA TODAY, page 2A
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    I'm not for dogs or any animals to be in any public building where food is served and/or sold. This would be all food stores, restaurants, fast food places, etc.

    The only exception is bonafide service animals that have formal training.

    No comfort animals or pets please.

    Leave them at home.
    I'm still here. Are you?

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    I was just thiniking about this the other day. I'm seeing more and more "service" dogs then ever. Some breed of service dogs makes me wonder...Are they really going to provide any service, or just the owner's excuse to take them where they are not suppose to. I don't see anything official other then a piece of cloth around the dog's body.


    I'm all for socialization of pets. When my dog was young, I took my dog to Target, we sat outside the entire time.

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    https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/...to-committees/

    Waiter, there's fur in my soup! Keep it down or everybody else would want some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    Bill allowing dogs in Hawaii restaurants introduced, referred to committees

    Waiter, there's fur in my soup! Keep it down or everybody else would want some.
    It’s sad that with the growing homeless population, rise in violent crime, corruption in law enforcement and city prosecutor’s office and horrid incompetence of our election officials — THIS is what our politicians choose to focus on.

    But why tackle tough issues? Better to allow desperate eateries to incur needless health violations — so that restaurants that ban cats and dogs can make more money.

    We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

    — U.S. President Bill Clinton
    USA TODAY, page 2A
    11 March 1993

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    Last week i was in Long's Kaneohe.
    A dog was barking at people.

    Owner did nothing.
    Store did nothing.
    They need to make a law that service animals need to have an visible ID.

    That way it could be reported.
    government says they can't do it because of federal law.
    BS
    Pot is still against federal law, but they passed a law allowing it.

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    I always wondered why people don't want to show they have a service animal.
    I would be proud to show that I have a well trained service animal.

    A companion that I can depend on, to help me in time of need.

    A responsible, loving, caring pet owner would welcome the red vest , as a badge on honor for their companion.

    Those service animals I've seen with the red vest, are much better behaved than a majority of children, and some adults, I see walking in stores.

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    https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/0...mans-backpack/

    Is this a crime? It could be an emotionally support service animal snake.

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    our apt. complex owner recently waived the pet restrictions for inconsiderate assholes who claim a need for a comfort dog that barks at all hours and then make a bigger racket trying to shut it up. people suck.

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    https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/...cracking-down/

    I'm shocked. I'm shocked that people would get phony certificates for an emotionally support animal to make fools of other people. I believe in the honor system.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.60756f265bef

    You have the right to bear squirrels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.60756f265bef

    You have the right to bear squirrels.
    https://www.khon2.com/news/national/...d-after-chase/

    Bad Squirrel! Bad Squirrel! Whatcha you gonna do? Whatcha you gonna do when they come for You?

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    https://www.islandpacket.com/news/lo...232203982.html

    This is why people with fake service dogs hurts handicap people with real service dogs.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/misr...004140298.html

    If this law is enforced. Mayor Caldwell could call it a user fee to generate revenue.

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/...GsN?li=BBnb7Kz

    Hay! Hay! Hay! The horses are on the track!

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    https://qz.com/quartzy/1706771/flyin...may-be-banned/

    Just tip the flight attendant a couple of hundred bills, so you can sit by Harvey the giant rabbit.

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    https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/...upport-animal/

    If the coyote catches you. You're through.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/airlines-...180048921.html

    Two for one sale. Each passenger has to be accompanied by a service animal flights.

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    The idea of service animals is an idea-gone-wild....miniature HORSES allowed on some airlines?!
    We would've joked, sounding ridiculous abourt such an idea not that many years ago.

    Insanity.....
    Stop being lost in thought where our problems thrive.~

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    Default Re: Fake Service Animals

    As some know, I have been absent from HT for a couple of years and I was unaware of this thread until today. I have some considerable experience in this area and perhaps I can address some critical concerns addressed here.

    I have a legitimate, medically treated disability.

    I am the master of a highly trained, highly skilled, bona fide service dog. He has two obedience titles from the AKC (American Kennel Club)

    I am allergic to some dog breeds, My dog is non-shedding and hypoallergenic breed. He causes me and those around him no allergic reaction.

    He was six years old last week. I got him as a 9 month old puppy who showed potential exceptional skills as a service dog. He has lived with me for almost 6 years now and we obedience train on a daily basis. We know each others capabilities quite well. Right now we are participating in "search and rescue" training. He is not certified yet but he is showing an uncanny ability in this area too! I hate it when my dog is smarter than I am.

    Besides being my service dog, we also volunteer at local hospitals and convalescent homes for therapy support where he is a highly regarded and welcome therapist.

    He is worth thousands of dollars on the open market, but he is priceless to me. We will be together forever.

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    To address some of the issues expressed in this thread:

    "Service Dog Vests' can be purchased on Amazon for around $50. No proof of service dog training is required. I can spot the difference between a trained service dog and one that is not. In my estimation, about 90% of dogs wearing a service vest are not legitimate service dogs. A legitimate service dog is not required to wear a vest by Federal law. My dog does not wear a service vest, in fact, wearing a service vest could represent a potential danger to me. I will not explain further.

    Occasionally a legitimate service dog (including my dog) will bark to alert me for a potential danger to me. In particular situations they are trained to bark. However, a legitimate service dog is trained to quiet immediately at the owners command, once the owner accesses the situation. It would be rare that a legitimate service dog would bark incessantly and frequently. Something is very wrong in that situation including the possibility that the owner is in need of immediate help.

    Legitimate service dogs are permitted to go anywhere their owner goes including restaurants and grocery stores. However they are trained to lie quietly at their owners feet while eating. A service dog owner should not feed the dog scraps from the table. Feeding a dog from the table is a red flag that both the dog and owner are not legitimate. DO NOT CONFRONT THE PERSON IN THAT SITUATION! I encourage you to talk to management immediately to resolve the issue.

    I do take my legitimate service dog to restaurants, grocery stores, Home Depot, retail stores, etc. HOWEVER, at a restaurant I always take a table outdoors and at grocery stores and retails stores he rides in a cart if available (he only weighs 15 pounds). I do this in consideration for other people who do not understand or don't want to understand the valuable service provided by an appropriately trained dog.

    A trained service dog poops and potties on command. My dog would never eliminate unless I give him permission. He just holds it. On the other hand, the owner is trained to recognize signals by the dog the need to eliminate so the owner can take him to an appropriate location (usually outdoors). I carry "poop bags" in my pocket and I ALWAYS pick up any waste and dispose of it in an appropriate container. Any dog that eliminates indoors in a public location IS NOT a legitimate service dog unless the dog is sick and in that case he should not be out in public and working.

    I sometimes leave my dog, unattended in the car while I run errands. In California this is not a good idea since the law permits that a "good Samaritan" passerby can break a window or forcibly enter the car if they thinks the occupants (whether they be animals of any type, children, or the elderly) are in distress. There is no legal liability (I am not sure about Hawaii). HOWEVER, I drive a Tesla car. When I leave my dog in the car, there is an optional "dog mode" air conditioning setting. I can set the AC to whatever temperature I desire (usually 72F) and a message will be displayed on the large user interface screen (about the size of a 17" laptop) which shows an animated balloon dog and a message that says, "the temperature is set to 72 and my owner will be back shortly." I roll up all the windows and lock the car. I can leave the car this way for several hours if I wish (the most I have left him alone is about 20 minutes) and causes no pollution because the car is operating on the large internal battery pack. Consequently, I have never heard of anyone breaking into a Tesla to rescue a dog, even in Hawaii (other brands of cars, yes).

    There is a difference between a legitimate service dog and an emotional support animal. The requirements are too numerous to enumerate here, but essentially an emotional support animal requires medical documentation and has fewer privileges than a service animal. The incidence of various unusual animals being passed off as service animals or emotional support animals is increasing. This is causing a lot of problems and discrimination to legitimate owners. Therefore a coalition of service animal owners is lobbying to crack down on the regulations and identification of legitimate animals. The law is being reviewed as we speak. I can't say with certainty whether, say, a peacock on an airplane is a legitimate service or emotional support animal because I don't know, OR IS IT MY BUSINESS TO KNOW what the individual circumstances are. What I do know is that if an animal is acting inappropriately or causing disruption you have every right and I encourage you to complain TO MANAGEMENT.

    I hope that I have addressed most of the issues expressed in this thread. If you have additional questions, I will be happy to respond but please stop the rhetoric and be respectful.

    Mahalo, fakamalo, and gracias
    Last edited by matapule; January 27th, 2020 at 06:38 PM.
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    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...234848498.html

    It's an emotionally support animal if the horse can talk.

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    Default Re: Fake Service Animals

    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...234848498.html

    It's an emotionally support animal if the horse can talk.
    I take issue with much of what is reported and quoted in the article. For example, an 'emotional support' animal IS NOT a 'service' animal. The definitions of each are completely different. And the owner reported she had an autoimmune system disorder. If that is true, then what is the horse specifically trained to do to identify that condition (which is a question that is permitted by Federal law for a service animal)? This woman is a perfect example of the threat to people with legitimate service animals.
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