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    Why is it no one noticed that since they passed the pot law, violent crime has gone up?????
    Homeless has also gone up.
    What happened to the war on drugs?????
    Used to be lots of public service spots about the evils of drugs.
    Programs in the schools.
    Big rallies all over the island.
    Now nothing.
    Did they just give up on the war on drugs????
    I'm thinking the war on drugs is bad for votes.
    politicians support anything that will get them votes, so it just works against them to support the war on drugs.
    Notice the damacrats, said nothing about the war on drugs in this new year?????
    Why do you think that is????
    Could it be because it's bad for votes????
    The problem with a majority of the homeless is drugs.
    Most of the time, both parents(?) have no job because of drugs.
    No job, no money, no home for the kids.
    They go out an rob, steal, deal, trick, for money or drugs.
    Kids see it, and see it's the way life is.
    Attack drugs, and crime will go down.
    So homeless will go down.
    Giving them everything for free, is not helping them.
    Most of the time, they just sell it for drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abunaitoo View Post
    Why is it no one noticed that since they passed the pot law, violent crime has gone up?????
    Homeless has also gone up.
    What happened to the war on drugs?????
    Used to be lots of public service spots about the evils of drugs.
    Programs in the schools.
    Big rallies all over the island.
    Now nothing.
    Did they just give up on the war on drugs????
    I'm thinking the war on drugs is bad for votes.
    politicians support anything that will get them votes, so it just works against them to support the war on drugs.
    Notice the damacrats, said nothing about the war on drugs in this new year?????
    Why do you think that is????
    Could it be because it's bad for votes????
    The problem with a majority of the homeless is drugs.
    Most of the time, both parents(?) have no job because of drugs.
    No job, no money, no home for the kids.
    They go out an rob, steal, deal, trick, for money or drugs.
    Kids see it, and see it's the way life is.
    Attack drugs, and crime will go down.
    So homeless will go down.
    Giving them everything for free, is not helping them.
    Most of the time, they just sell it for drugs.
    can you prove any of your nonsense? what have your trumpunk resHitlerats ever done that was good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abunaitoo View Post
    Why is it no one noticed that since they passed the pot law, violent crime has gone up?????
    Homeless has also gone up.
    I have noticed that racist attacks have gone up, incidents of weird weather have gone up, and presidential lies have gone up. Who would have ever thought all of this could be tied to use of pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    I have noticed that racist attacks have gone up, incidents of weird weather have gone up, and presidential lies have gone up. Who would have ever thought all of this could be tied to use of pot.
    Everything can be connected in one way or another. Cause and effect, probability factors, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troubleshooter View Post
    Everything can be connected in one way or another. Cause and effect, probability factors, etc.
    Then you agree with me that @abunaitoo is full of tu'u mama'o.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    Then you agree with me that @abunaitoo is full of tu'u mama'o.
    In part. There are other reasons and causes which brought us to our current situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troubleshooter View Post
    In part. There are other reasons and causes which brought us to our current situation.
    the lack of basic foot patrols is a huge factor, as is the causing of homeless / poverty from c1970 corruption from developers and politicians. provide homes, fiscal relief, and a civic report with cops face to face every day and guess what? it ain't rocket science, but Socialism...

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    You've gone more into detail where I was attempting to avoid saying and kept it general and generic. I've been ripped a new one and have avoided speaking my mind. Thanks. Police presence is all but non-existent from what I've observed. I live at a major intersection and can count the number of police cars on one hand in 24 hours. Unless of course, they receive a call. Then there are 3-4 of them racing to answer the call. Foot cops, what are those? Haven't seen one in years. When the cat's away, the mice will play. And, they've multiplied and run rampant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troubleshooter View Post
    Police presence is all but non-existent from what I've observed. I live at a major intersection and can count the number of police cars on one hand in 24 hours. Unless of course, they receive a call. Then there are 3-4 of them racing to answer the call. Foot cops, what are those? Haven't seen one in years. When the cat's away, the mice will play. And, they've multiplied and run rampant.
    More police presence (patrol and/or foot) requires more money. More money requires higher taxes. Which way do you want it, - higher taxes or living with the current crime and homeless conditions? Not ripping anyone a new one, a simple question requires a simple answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    More police presence (patrol and/or foot) requires more money. More money requires higher taxes. Which way do you want it, - higher taxes or living with the current crime and homeless conditions? Not ripping anyone a new one, a simple question requires a simple answer.
    the number of officers needed is rather small, the costs would be minimal if used effectively where / when needed. they have 0 problem wasting $$ on failed projects like bikes and horses so sensible expenditures which reduce crime is a cost effective win win as businesses thrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    the number of officers needed is rather small, the costs would be minimal if used effectively where / when needed. they have 0 problem wasting $$ on failed projects like bikes and horses so sensible expenditures which reduce crime is a cost effective win win as businesses thrive.
    I think you might be oversimplifying the costs. If a 10 minute arrest is made, it will require an officer a whole day in court for prosecution and sentencing. So to keep a presence on the street more than a few officers will be needed. Then there will be the cost of housing and feeding these "criminals." New prisons will need to be built and that will require more high priced prison personnel to guard these "criminals." All of this will be very expensive and will require a big increase in taxes. And that solution does nothing to fix, change, correct the behavior of the "criminal". This solution merely locks up the problem where it only festers behind bars.

    Now you could tax the business community for this enforcement program, but as my friend @troubleshooter says. "nothing is free." The cost will simply be passed on to the consumer in higher prices for goods and services.

    Solutions seem simple, but as a retired politician I can assure you, nothing is ever simple. Run for office, see what I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    the lack of basic foot patrols is a huge factor
    Is this a joke? When did the Honolulu Police Department do "foot patrols" outside of Waikīkī?

    Not in my lifetime. I've seen officers on foot buying donuts at 7-Eleven and Safeway. If that's what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    I think you might be oversimplifying the costs. If a 10 minute arrest is made, it will require an officer a whole day in court for prosecution and sentencing. So to keep a presence on the street more than a few officers will be needed. Then there will be the cost of housing and feeding these "criminals." New prisons will need to be built and that will require more high priced prison personnel to guard these "criminals." All of this will be very expensive and will require a big increase in taxes. And that solution does nothing to fix, change, correct the behavior of the "criminal". This solution merely locks up the problem where it only festers behind bars.

    Now you could tax the business community for this enforcement program, but as my friend @troubleshooter says. "nothing is free." The cost will simply be passed on to the consumer in higher prices for goods and services.

    Solutions seem simple, but as a retired politician I can assure you, nothing is ever simple. Run for office, see what I mean.
    all sadly true, but bureaucrats can bypass bureaucracy when they want to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    all sadly true, but bureaucrats can bypass bureaucracy when they want to
    Really? Run for office and see what I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    Really? Run for office and see what I mean.
    you're talking small guy / individual, of course that's nye impossible

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    Then that "small guy / individual" has no credibility if he can't back it up with facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    Then that "small guy / individual" has no credibility if he can't back it up with facts.
    we see the facts daily, the small guy lost long ago to $$ and political affiliations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    we see the facts daily, the small guy lost long ago to $$ and political affiliations
    No you lost because you don't have any solutions and didn't get involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    No you lost because you don't have any solutions and didn't get involved.
    I got all the solutions, they're easy, it's not rocket science, that's why there's always such fierce opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    I got all the solutions, they're easy, it's not rocket science, that's why there's always such fierce opposition.
    Now you sound like trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    I got all the solutions, they're easy, it's not rocket science, that's why there's always such fierce opposition.
    What are your solutions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 68-eldo View Post
    What are your solutions?
    collar the Police Union and clean up the force / Prosecutor's Office, etc. for starters lol
    strategically place foot / bike patrols on regular duty, this puts the criminals and hardcore homeless on edge and away from those favored areas. react accordingly.
    do those 2 things and then we'll see how it works with the basics covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    this puts the criminals and hardcore homeless on edge and away from those favored areas. react accordingly.
    Where do you want them to go? I know, "anywhere but my backyard".


    Who is going to pay for the foot patrols and extra prosecutors? Who is going to pay for all the jail cells that will need to be built to house these "criminals" when they refuse to move? Who is going to pay for defense of the appeal to the SCOTUS by the ACLU where your plan will be found to be unconstitutional?
    Last edited by matapule; March 25th, 2020 at 01:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    Where do you want them to go? I know, "anywhere but my backyard".


    Who is going to pay for the foot patrols and extra prosecutors? Who is going to pay for all the jail cells that will need to be built to house these "criminals" when they refuse to move? Who is going to pay for defense of the appeal to the SCOTUS by the ACLU where your plan will be found to be unconstitutional?
    they don't necessarily have to go anywhere, but I want laws upheld and wheelchair access maintained, and I want free housing available for all.
    the same people who pay for poor services will pay for success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    and I want free housing available for all.
    the same people who pay for poor services will pay for success.
    Ah, so you are in favor of a big tax increase that does nothing more than assure wheelchair access. I'm sure that proposal will be a success in Hawaii! Free housing for the homeless? That proposal will definitely get you elected to office!
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