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    Default Poor sportmanship of the year?

    Maybe for the decade. You be the judge.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxAIcRHs1tk

    LeGarrette Blount not only needs to be suspended for multiple games, but he is in serious need of anger management counseling. Sucker punching a Boise St. player, taking a swipe at his own teammate, forcibly restrained by police and stadium officials from taking on some fans.

    What a way to kick off the 2009 college football season!

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    Year? Probably! Decade? It may face some competition from this incident!

    You'd think these people would be very grateful for playing the game they love for a living.

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    Default No to excuse the assault but...

    That wasn't a sucker punch. And the Boise player should have had his helmet on if he was going to get into the guy's face or at least not take his eye off his target so soon. He'll remember that next time.

    Per the 2nd vid, that's assault with a deadly weapon.
    Last edited by Ron Whitfield; September 4th, 2009 at 10:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    That wasn't a sucker punch.
    Really?

    Either you don't know what the term sucker punch means (wordnetweb and freedictionary.com both define it as "an unexpected punch") or you have really, REALLY bad eyesight. Take your pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    And the Boise player should have had his helmet on if he was going to get into the guy's face or at least not take his eye off his target so soon. He'll remember that next time.
    Duh!!! Ron, that's what makes a sucker punch what it is! The cheap shot artist doesn't tell the other guy what he intends to do.

    Boy, I can imagine your idea of a fair fight. Suddenly throwing a punch at someone who's turning away from you. And then telling your victim, "Remember that the next time!" is what you think will inspire respect and admiration from everyone who witnessed your sucker punch. Yeah Ron. Shuuuure....

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    Default Yes, really...

    If you go getting in someone's face you better expect a reaction like that, not immediately turn away.
    A sucker punch is nailing someone that has no clue you are either there or that it could be at all expected. This Boise guy was aware of both and paid for his mistake.
    Has a glass jaw as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    If you go getting in someone's face you better expect a reaction like that, not immediately turn away.
    And why did the Boise player turn away? In large part, because his head coach (wearing the blue cap) was trying to get his attention and direct him away from the direction of Blount. And like a snake, Blount used that opportunity to throw the first punch and then backpedal away like crazy.

    But hey, if this kind of cowardly behavior is something you're going to defend, then so be it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    A sucker punch is nailing someone that has no clue you are either there or that it could be at all expected. This Boise guy was aware of both and paid for his mistake.
    The dictionaries I cited do not use the qualifier that is boldfaced. Now, if you want to start making up your own definitions out of thin air, then go ahead and knock yourself out. But when you go around and tell other people they are wrong when they use a term in a way that properly fits in with the definitions that actual dictionaries use, you're only making yourself look ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    You'd think these people would be very grateful for playing the game they love for a living.
    He's not playing it for a living.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    That wasn't a sucker punch.
    I won't go so far as to say "that's what a guy gets," but when I saw the footage, my first reaction was, "Hm. I'm not sure that's a sucker punch." The two were obviously jawing at each other and one wasn't looking when he got the hit, but it wasn't like the other guy just ran up to him from across the field and decked him. He got the hit as part of that confrontation.

    In any case, none of that changes the fact that it was poor sportsmanship of the most extreme sort. Boise proved it belongs in the conversation about mid-majors deserving a realistic shot at the BCS.
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    The player who threw the punch yesterday was just suspended for the rest of the season by his university.
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    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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    Sucker punch or not...that was one of the most cowardly things I've seen in a long time. He got suspended for the season, but will practice with the team and stay on scholarship. Could be much harsher, but I think being so close but not being able to suit up on game day will drive him nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    !) But hey, if this kind of cowardly behavior is something you're going to defend, then so be it.
    2) Now, if you want to start making up your own definitions out of thin air, then go ahead and knock yourself out.
    1) I've stated that I don't excuse the assault. So don't try to sucker punch me with that BS, OK?
    2) Not out of thin air. That's how I grew up, probably long before you popped onto the scene, and before there was a dictionary deffinition. You didn't mouth off without expecting a serious reply. The kid blew it, plain and simple. He should have been more aware, especially while not having his helmet on. That was dumb.

    BTW, the punch was merely a glancing rabbit punch of a chip shot. The perp could have easily laid into it and broke his jaw with the angle he had.

    And, the guy got the penalty he deserved.

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    Default Re: No to excuse the assault but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    That wasn't a sucker punch.
    Sucker punch or False crack?
    I think he was mad at the Healthcare proposal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    2) Not out of thin air. That's how I grew up, probably long before you popped onto the scene, and before there was a dictionary deffinition.
    If you want to talk about your homemade definition, then fine. It's cool. But don't tell other people they're wrong, just because it doesn't match up with the peculiar definition you've grown up with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    You didn't mouth off without expecting a serious reply. The kid blew it, plain and simple. He should have been more aware, especially while not having his helmet on. That was dumb.
    You say that Boise St.'s Byron Hout was mouthing off? Here are a few pertinent facts that I will add to the discussion:

    1) It was Oregon's LeGarrette Blount who told Sports Illustrated a month ago that the Ducks "owe that team (Boise St.) an a** whuppin."

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/124/st...k=omni_popular

    Now, SI is not some picayune press. If you're going to trash-talk another team in print, then doing so in SI magazine is just about the biggest platform that you can find. If Blout is going to mouth off in SI, he can't go around and think that the BSU players are going to be unaware of what he said before the game. And he can't count on the idea that the Broncos are going to forget what he said after the game either. Hey, if you're going to engage in pregame trash talk, then you can't turn around and get sore at someone who makes you eat your words after you get your butt handed to you on the field. The idea that Blount was the target of unprovoked postgame trash talk from the Broncos is baloney.

    2) Not only did Oregon lose to Boise St., but Blount personally turned in a miserable performance. The Boise defensive line (a squad that includes Byron Hunt) thoroughly owned Blount the entire day, holding him to NEGATIVE 5 rushing yards. Instead of LeGarrette Blount giving the Broncos an a** whuppin, it was the other way around. And Blount, the poor baby, didn't like that. Awwwww!!!!!!!

    3) I don't care where anyone grew up or what school of hard knocks they came from. A real man doesn't win his fist fights by false-crackin' the other guy..... and then high-tailing it out of there. Of course, that's my personal homegrown definition of what a real man is. Everyone else is entitled to their personal definition, even if their vision of a "real man" comes perilously close to my definition of a yellow belly coward.
    Last edited by Frankie's Market; September 4th, 2009 at 09:26 PM.

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    Default Re: No to excuse the assault but...

    This is a tough one. The Boise State player in all likelihood did not expect to get punched (being in a football game with the obvious consequences) so one could consider this punch a sucker punch. Of course in the vast majority of other circumstances talking trash in the heat of the moment is likely to lead to exactly what happened.
    I will say then that this was a cowardly act by the Boise State player (because he thought he could talk trash and actually touch the guy with impunity because of special circumstances i.e. he wouldn't try that in a dance club and turn away 1 second later). Also agree that Blount got the punishment he deserves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    Why is this a big deal, and McEnroe's outbursts get a free pass?
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    Let me clear here - I like Serena Williams and usually root for her. As I was doing yesterday. It was a bad call - her foot didn't appear to be on the line. But...Serena was way out of line in her behaviour. She approached the line judge (a small Asian woman), pointing with her racquet in a threatening manner and apparently dropping quite a few F bombs while she was yelling. If she then also threatened to shove a ball down the judges throat - well, that was uncalled for and definitely poor sportsmanship. Plus the fact that Serena IS a big girl, and certainly much bigger than the judge! I was shocked watching it all on TV - I can only imagine how the judge felt.

    McEnroe was penalized many, many times for his actions on the courts and was also a poor sport many, many times. Serren's actions were no different than his. and she got fined and lost the chance for another championship. I would say that is fair.

    What's truly unfair to Cljisters is the way she made her way into the finals. Should she win, her victory will forever be associated with the manner in which she won her semi match. Would she have even won, should the match have been played out to the end? It will certainly put a question mark on any victory in the finals - and through no fault of hers. The confusion on her face yesterday and her interview made me truly feel sorry for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Lowery View Post
    Why is this a big deal, and McEnroe's outbursts get a free pass?
    Serena Williams is representing herself and the United States. There are a lot of international tennis players, so the audience is worldwide. She can't be the American bully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    Serena Williams is representing herself and the United States. There are a lot of international tennis players, so the audience is worldwide. She can't be the American bully.
    Oh. McEnroe must have played against only Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anapuni808 View Post
    McEnroe was penalized many, many times for his actions on the courts and was also a poor sport many, many times. Serren's actions were no different than his. and she got fined and lost the chance for another championship. I would say that is fair.
    "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!!!"

    Quote Originally Posted by anapuni808 View Post
    What's truly unfair to Cljisters is the way she made her way into the finals. Should she win, her victory will forever be associated with the manner in which she won her semi match. Would she have even won, should the match have been played out to the end? It will certainly put a question mark on any victory in the finals - and through no fault of hers. The confusion on her face yesterday and her interview made me truly feel sorry for her.
    Serena's DQ will be the topic of heavy discussion for the next few days, to be sure. But in the long run, there won't be any asterisk attached to the results of the '09 US Open. Bad calls are a part of the game. If a competitor can't keep a level head and constructively deal with bad calls that come their way, then they won't emerge as the winner, no matter everything else they do right.

    In any sport, verbal abuse of officials is simply not an acceptable option.

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    You have your viewpoints - I'm entitled to mine. I won't argue with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anapuni808 View Post
    You have your viewpoints - I'm entitled to mine. I won't argue with you.
    But of course.

    Hmmmm. Just hope you realize that my response of "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!" wasn't an expression of disagreement with anything you said. It was simply a reference to,..... Ah! Just watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY

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    In resect to the Serena Williams incident, you can't have people threatening the referees. I think McEnroe's behavior should have been managed better back in his day. If you can intimidate the referee, you can control the outcome of the game. If a referee is found to be lacking, then the administrative body that hires the referee can deal with it. Baseball culture has kind of accepted the attempts of coaches to bully umpires. It has become part of the "show". Hockey has decided to accept almost any behavior, literally.

    It's kind of a tightrope with these college and professional sports. You get these highly charged situations where a lot is at stake. People's adrenalin is pumped up. Provocative remarks are made. Many sports offer plenty of opportunities for covert, unchecked violence that is beyond what is permitted by the rules. Some will engage in dirty pool, others won't. Dirty pool has to be penalized when it's identified. Rewarding cheap shot artists will not lead to better outcomes. It's not entirely different from the financial mess we're in today. Dirtballs carried the day and now the chickens have come home to roost. It's not unusual to have an enforcer who is willling and able to dish out violence that is beyond what is allowed by the rules. Players have a variety of personalities and capacities for impulse control.

    Bottom line, IMO, is that certain behaviors should not be tolerated. If you hit somebody with your fist during a game, you should be prosecuted. Then, you should face sanctions by the team and/or league.

    Sports certainly aren't primarily responsible for violence in society at large; but in their own way they can sometimes contribute. On the other hand, sports provide an outlet for aggression that has to decrease some violence in society. They teach teamwork, fair-play, "sportsmanship" and other positive values. The scales tip decidedly in favor of the positive contributions of sport, but it will only hold true as long as sport is synonymous with integrity. People idolize athletes. Like the quarterback who idolized Michael Vick. People experience euphoria or depression in response to how their "team" performs. Men, who aren't even participants, apparently have changes in testosterone levels in response to winning or losing.

    Like it or not, athletes at the college and professional levels are the role models for millions of people. If violence that has not been agreed upon within the rules of the sport appears, there must be consequences. Otherwise, people who don't have a strong inner-compass will follow the examples of the people they admire. It might even become widely accepted as normal, adaptive behavior. I suppose some might think that is a good outcome. If you want a society that functions at the lowest level of moral reasoning, i.e. "Might makes right", then condoning this behavior would be the way to go. I would suggeset that it is not the way to go.

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    For one of his outbursts, McEnroe was first assessed a penalty point, then a game as he persisted, and then defaulted the match.

    For all his ranting, McEnroe did not threaten bodily harm, as I recall.

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