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    The great June Watanabe of the Star Bulletin's storied "Kokua Line" column blows one of the worst kept secrets of island beachgoers: No law bans women from going topless.
    There is no state or city law prohibiting women from baring their breasts in public, acknowledged Capt. Carlton Nishimura, of the Honolulu Police Department. He double-checked with the city Prosecutor's Office to make sure.
    It boils down to the definition of genitals (and the perfectly reasonable parallel in the acceptability of public breast feeding). But, in fact, depending on how you define what "conduct is likely to cause affront," even being completely in the buff could squeak under the legal wire. It's not what you do, but how you do it, as it were.

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    So many possibilities...
    How'd I get so white and nerdy?

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    While I don't think Waikiki Beach will make any "Top Ten Topless Beaches" lists, it sure would be nice for our shores to be at least as comfortable and open as most European beaches. With visitor traffic from Europe creeping up, in fact, they might provide the breakthrough needed...

    Sadly, "early adopters" like the woman mentioned in June's column are subject to confused and amused gawkers and photographers. It'll be a while, if ever, before toplessness becomes so mundane it doesn't cause a stir.

    Naturists should push something like "Second Saturday" and promote it in a way that women won't feel entirely alone.

    BTW, the Forbes article linked above mentions that "unwritten rules of etiquette also exist at topless beaches, such as putting your top back on to stroll to the bar." I imagine here that would mean getting dressed before strolling into McDonald's on Kalakaua.

    The proximity of the beach to a major street certainly raises the risks of fender benders!

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    Well now that this law or lack of it has come out in the open, how long do you think before one of our legislators or city councilpersons decides to draft a new law or amend the current law to ban topless bathing? Of course Ms. Watanabe's article stated that there may be some constitutional issues involved should such a ban be considered.

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    I've always wondered about this issue. When I was in the Air Force living in the dorms, I put up a poster (framed) depicting this wahine surfing topless on a good sized wave. My First Sarge told me to take it down because the UCMJ(Uniformed Code of Military Justice) prohibted displaying of pornographic material in your room.

    I looked up the definition of "Pornographic" and found it defines male or female genitalia. Genitalia is defined as those parts of the body used for sexual reproduction. Breasts are not considered genitalia. I won and the poster stayed up.

    There may be no law on exposing one's breasts however there are laws on public indecency. But then again like that Corona's commercial of that wooly mammoth in a bikini bottom trying to look macho ain't my idea of a decent view either.

    So that begs the question? What is defined as decent vs indecent? Some female breasts are decent enough to be displayed without being gross, then there are female breasts that should be strapped in and banned from the light of day forever! Since I'm a hetrosexual male, I cannot make a likewise comparison to the male genitalia. I don't ever want to see one other than mine or my baby's when I'm changing his diaper.

    But like you said, Hawaii has a lot of gawkers...we call them rubber-neckers and they're out there on our freeways every morning and afternoon looking at car wrecks. But that's another thread.

    I have no problem with exposed breasts (duh) but for some reason breasts clad in sexually inticing garments have more SHWING value than no garment at all. Think of it. Short skirts are more appealing to the male eye than shorts of the same hem line.

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    Another thing to take into consideration, is prolonged exposure to the sun. Ultraviolet rays have been linked to skin cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe
    So that begs the question? What is defined as decent vs indecent? Some female breasts are decent enough to be displayed without being gross, then there are female breasts that should be strapped in and banned from the light of day forever! Since I'm a hetrosexual male, I cannot make a likewise comparison to the male genitalia. I don't ever want to see one other than mine or my baby's when I'm changing his diaper.
    If it depends on what I personally think is gross, then there are a lot of pot-bellied men who should be fined for going shirtless. And don't get me started on all those hairy-backed guys in Speedos. [shudder]

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    Hey!!!! That's a sexually discriminating remark there! It should be hairy-backed person! And that includes women!

    Yeah I agree on what you think of gross. All men (and women) with hairy backs except me of course.

    Notice when you use the Bowflex you go from flabby and hairy chest to muscular and suddenly no chest hair? Amazing I wonder if your back hair falls off too.

    And the women go from poor posture to "make big body" and the ability to suck their belly in better.

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    I've always thought that even if there are no laws against it.. It's just not right to have your breasts hanging for the world to gawk at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamlost
    I've always thought that even if there are no laws against it.. It's just not right to have your breasts hanging for the world to gawk at.

    Yeah but Kamlost, but what if they don't hang!

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    its wrong to show boobies but ok to show beheadings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbent
    its wrong to show boobies but ok to show beheadings.
    You can blame ol (dead) Margaret Meade and the "National Geographic Society" for this brouhaha. She was the one who first studied the Trobriand Island natives and described the "bare breasted women", which ,of course, horrified (and titillated) the citizenry of this country. The National Geographic started including pictures of bare breasted women on its pages. Why do you think so many people still have old copies of National Geographic still lying around?

    In Brazil, if you go walking down to the playas like Ipanema, you will find men and women with nothing covering their chests and wearing only what are known as tangas --"dental floss". Of course, they all do have very tanned and buff bodies.

    Here's a concept for you: In a nudist camp, no one is staring at anybody in their birthday suit. The only people who get stared at are the ones with clothes on!

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    i think its in toronto that a group of women lobbied to be able to go topless, since men can, women should be able to also.
    the judges, not being dumb, said ok, but where do we put the $1's?
    j/k about the $1's part, but america is breast affixated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamlost
    I've always thought that even if there are no laws against it.. It's just not right to have your breasts hanging for the world to gawk at.
    Good lord. Hellbent makes a good point. Americans are far too uptight about sex and sexuality, and yet similarly and inexplicably gaga for gore and violence. Europe and much of Asia has it the right way around... it is violence that is heavily moderated and forbidden in mass media, but nudity and sex flows much more freely. Softcore porn in prime time? No problem. Showing a discharging gun and a victim in the same frame? Edit city.

    After all, sex and sexuality are a natural and healthy part of human existence. M-16s and gratuitious explosions aren't. If I had to let my children be exposed to either sex or violence, at least the former can prompt frank discussion and learning. It's something we can expect (and dread) that they'll have to deal with - hopefully maturely and responsibly - someday. The latter doesn't go much further than, "That's neat/gross!"

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    pzarquon: so when are you running for governor?

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    You know of all the species in this world, the female human is the only one that covers her breasts and the male human is the only one that shaves his chest! Boy are we screwed up or what

    We're so different from the animal kingdom it's as if we're not even a part of it. Hmmm I don't want to go there and debate that one for fear of another 200+ thread on spirituality.

    Okay so with the 60's push for equality, what happened? Back then women were burning their Playtex Cross-Your-Heart bras, now they're strutting their Victoria Secret's Black lace Demi Underwire bras on prime time TV? And guess what is the number one plastic surgery operation? You guessed it BIGGER BooBs!

    I think the women's movement back then only enhanced the female form because back then equality meant dressing like men (pants suits vs dresses) and attempting to do the male things like smoking cigars, racing, cutting their hair short, spreading their legs when sitting.

    Now women tend to use what is naturally gifted to them, their brains. And that's what I think is helping their cause, not burning their bras. You don't see guys burning their jock straps to act more feminine do you? Actually they simply buy panties and wear them to work

    If women think it's a great idea to show their breasts, hey they're using their brains when they take their shirts off. And for us guys, the most dangerous woman is one with looks and brains.

    So if you lose a debate to a topless woman, watch out because she's topless and smarter than you so back off man!
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    It is like, it's not that attractive to have all these saggy boobies hanging out around the place. It's what you can't see is what is most attractive.

    Plus a woman with dignity is far better.

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    Plus a woman with dignity is far better.
    How can a woman who is pleased, even proud, of her body - merely that in which she came into this Earth, no more, no less, whether given by a creator or by some organized cell growth - lacking in dignity? Is one's worth determined by the presence or lack of "saggy boobies"?

    The message I'm getting from a lot of these responses is, "Topless women are fine, unless they're ugly." That kind of thinking is hardly a strong case against public nudity, or for dignity.

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    Joking aside, I think that if someone wants to be topless -- or nude, for that matter -- in public, then it should be their business. I don't think the law should ban toplessness or nudity. Of course, in many situations it's safer and/or more comfortable to wear clothes, but that shouldn't be a requirement. (Unless you're talking OSHA rules -- for example, you definitely don't want hanging or protruding body parts near power tools.)

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    I think sagging breasts came before firm ones since the female breast was around long before bras and there apparently was a problem with that or else bras wouldn't have been invented.

    Hmmm OSHA would have a field day with getting one's breasts caught in a piece of machinery. But then again even a guy shouldn't be going shirtless in a work environment where OSHA's rules apply anyway. So that point is moot.

    You know the way women's clothing designs are going, I wouldn't be surprized that by the end of this decade, we'll be seeing breasts bared to the public. Right now it's okay it seems to wear sheer material where you can obviously see right thru it, but it's covered right? Heck 25-years ago it was considered taboo to have protruding nipples on TV, geez now you can see bare bottoms on the tube. There's more sex on TV now than there ever was and girls are dressing with less material than ever before. Pretty soon being naked will be stylish with maybe a ribbon signifying your support for some cause. Where would you pin it though? Of course, stupid me, thru your pierced nipple!

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    That would be a sad day, and not one I would want to raise my children in.

    It is common curtisy to keep your private parts. private.

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    On a lighter note, i guess going braless once in a while is okay, it's better than having them constricted in pushup bras that give cancer.

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    hmm It is nice to read this news article.

    Why humans have a problem with genitalia is beyond me. I mean most people have an attraction to at least one sex or the other right?

    In public if people find a person unattractive or what ever term you may use....I belive the most common response is to look the other way. Why is this so different with nudity?

    To me it is so amazing to think that a majority have issues with nudity...some do not even like to be nude alone...which in most cases totally astonishes me.

    If one person does not like an others body then heck there is no doubt that someone else will.

    I hope I can make a difference with all of this. If anything to make at least one person feel comfortable with themself.

    If anyone desires to be with others that enjoy nudity feel free to drop me a line directly.

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    It's not that most people don't like to be nude...it's the expense of sunscreen that'll kill your budget. Clothing offers a cheap reusable sunscreen alternative.

    So there should be a city ordinance that allows people to walk naked at night so long as they stay away from Halogen lighting which emits massive quantities of UVA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allglad
    hmm It is nice to read this news article.

    Why humans have a problem with genitalia is beyond me. I mean most people have an attraction to at least one sex or the other right?

    In public if people find a person unattractive or what ever term you may use....I belive the most common response is to look the other way. Why is this so different with nudity?

    To me it is so amazing to think that a majority have issues with nudity...some do not even like to be nude alone...which in most cases totally astonishes me.

    If one person does not like an others body then heck there is no doubt that someone else will.

    I hope I can make a difference with all of this. If anything to make at least one person feel comfortable with themself.

    If anyone desires to be with others that enjoy nudity feel free to drop me a line directly.

    Aloha
    Maybe if you called yourself a naturist people wouldn't look askance at you. I think the issue is not one of walking around in one's birthday suit. It's more about what happens if you're the only one doing it! There are several naturist camps up here and people are free to disrobe. Blame the puritans for the twisted thinking about what should be natural. If it wasn't for the missionaries, Hawaiians wouldn't have muumuus, after all. The women would all be topless! I think the same kind of thing would happen in a nudist camp if someone(s) went there and didn't disrobe.

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