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  • Would you move back to Hawaii?

    Just a thought...if the opportunity came for you and your family back to Hawaii would you?
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    Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

    yes..no questions..yes..i've spent my life away from there...i'm not rich in $.but, my love of all people is very strong. i don't need much to be happy.just to know that we're all healthy is enough.i miss it daily though.it's like the older i get,i can feel the islands tugging my heart..the biggest reason tho is to meet my ohana.......i know that they say you can't go back in time.but @least being there,i'll know exactly where we came from & see where my ohana were born,where they lived,raised generations of my ancestors,where they died.........i can make money anywhere..can do crafts,can work in any bar & restaraunt........as long as the peace stays within me,i'll be happy anywhere..but,yes,i'd move back in a heartbeat.............mahalo

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      Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

      yes..no questions..yes..i've spent my life away from there...i'm not rich in $.but, my love of all people is very strong. i don't need much to be happy.just to know that we're all healthy is enough.i miss it daily though.it's like the older i get,i can feel the islands tugging my heart..the biggest reason tho is to meet my ohana.......i know that they say you can't go back in time.but @least being there,i'll know exactly where we came from & see where my ohana were born,where they lived,raised generations of my ancestors,where they died.........i can make money anywhere..can do crafts,can work in any bar & restaraunt........as long as the peace stays within me,i'll be happy anywhere..but,yes,i'd move back in a heartbeat.............mahalo
      I know what you mean when you say "I can feel the islands tugging my heart." One day we will go back, I'll be sending my children to school in Hawaii before we actually move back to the islands. I'm not to happy with the schools here. By the way my Husband has 2 cousins living in Georgia. I don't know exactly where though.

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      • #4
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        I would love to move back to Hawai'i. I don't get to go home as often as I used to when I was in college, so every time I do go back, I don't want to leave. It would hard for me to move back. My fiance has an 8 year old daughter, so right there, it would be hard on her. Never mind the fact that moving to Hawai'i would be a big step for an 8 year old, but I would be worried about how she, and my fiance even, would be treated.

        Growing up in Hawai'i, being part Hawaiian myself, I never had to face any of the prejudices some locals show toward haoles. I never even realized that haoles were picked on in school. I always thought "Kill Haole Day" was an exaggeration. I went to Kamehameha, so we never saw that, because we were all part Hawaiian. But, while here in Florida, I met a haole guy who went to high school in Hawai'i while his dad was stationed at Barber's Point, and he said he used to get beat up all the time.

        Anyway, kind of went off the subject for a little bit. Besides the whole moving to Hawai'i being hard for the child, she goes to Michigan every summer to visit her dad. That in itself would be harder to do if we lived in Hawai'i. Also, I just got a new job, a good job, as a software engineer, and my fiance is still working her way through college.

        I know, sound like I making a lot of excuses. I would love to move back to Hawai'i. I miss it a lot. Maybe one day, in the not so near future, we can make our way there. Until then, I will have to settle for talking story with my online 'ohana.
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        • #5
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          Wow, that is SO SAD that you seriously have to fear moving back for your fiance, that I assume is haole, and her daughter may be treated badly, or most likely they will be, by some!! They call this paradise, but yes, I admit I know many are racist. the ones that are should be FORCED to move to mainland to live a few mos. so maybe they will FEEL what it is like to be treated the way you post about. Of course, they might not be treated badly in some other states, who knows? I had friends of all colors as I grew up. Our daughters do, now.

          We moved here more than ten years ago, had already started homeschooling in California, and continued here, but mostly because of curriculum reasons and the reasons we chose to start on the mainland. The more I read and hear from people as yourself, I become more and more thankful we were homeschoolers!

          I saw on Olelo Tv once, one of the ladies named Trask, and she was speaking forcefully and seemed hateful, and she said that she only has aloha for "her own people." With public figures like this, no one can blame any locals for being racist, BUT...

          she is native hawaiian, I believe, so I can't blame other native hawaiians for being racist, following her public lead, BUT....

          what is up with "locals" that are NOT a bit Native hawaiian, being racist and putting down haoles, as if THEY the locals are as big a deal as natives, in this or any land, but their OWN, that they origninated from?!! The nerve of them. I, as a haole, have every right to tell them "oh knock it off! We are in HAWAII and you aren't any more NATIVE Hawaiian, than am I!"
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            Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

            Originally posted by Karen
            what is up with "locals" that are NOT a bit Native hawaiian, being racist and putting down haoles, as if THEY the locals are as big a deal as natives, in this or any land, but their OWN, that they origninated from?!! The nerve of them. I, as a haole, have every right to tell them "oh knock it off! We are in HAWAII and you aren't any more NATIVE Hawaiian, than am I!"
            Uh huh. Karen, I know you're not from Hawai'i, so you probably don't know the history here, but it wouldn't hurt you to learn a little. Our ancestors who came here as plantation workers from China and Japan and Korea and the Philippines weren't slaves, but they weren't exactly free either. Indentured servitude is what they called it, I think. You sign a contract, get on the boat, and the sugar company owns you for the next five years... unless you can't pay back the money you owe to the company store, in which case you're still on the hook. Back in the early days, the plantations thought of their workers as commodities, like mules or sacks of flour. The (haole) sugar planters didn't treat their (Asian) workers well, and that didn't change until the 1950s.

            Sure, we're not native Hawaiians. We will never be native Hawaiians. But we do have roots here, a hundred years deep. That counts for something, compared to you who just got here.

            So what, I should go back to Okinawa? Sure, just as soon as you go back to Scotland, or Germany, or whatever part of Europe your distant ancestors came from. (Yes, I know you have said you've got native American blood too. So which part of you gets sent back then, eh?)

            It doesn't excuse racism, from anyone. Every group has the unfortunate potential to be racist, and it's always wrong. But I think white people from America really feel the sting when, for the first time in their lives, they realize that they are not necessarily the dominant force in this society.

            We're not perfect. We grumble about each other, and poke fun. But at the same time my kids end up marrying your kids, and how can you really be that mad at your in-laws? We have handled our multiracial society better than other places -- Fiji, with its Indian immigrants vs native Fijians, comes to mind -- and for the most part we live in peace.

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            • #7
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              racism in hawaii?? we were taken as keikis from our home in hawaii to a place completely foreign to us..raised & treated as trash by most. including haole family.all we wanted was to go home.so,my mom took us back as teenagers.we lived on the ala wai canal.and walked to jr. high school&high school...and it was terrifying..we were bullied by all.i know we weren't raised to stand up 4 ourselves.all we knew was that if we finally came back home,all would be well.we were laughed at by other teens because we dressed &spoke different.we fit in til we spoke.very very strong southern accent..but, we looked exactly like them..with all this craziness, my mom had a breakdown.so i was lost along the way.ended up living on the streets &beaches of waikiki @14 yrs old,then back to ga.married &with a baby not too long aftr.it took yrs of therapy.but i came out fine.it seems to be the same everywhere,if the keikis aren't taught @home to respect themselves,then they don't know how to treat others...i know i've mentioned it in other posts,but that baby of mine was raised to believe..in himself,in who he is,to stand up for the good..even with all that.i never wanted him to have to ever wonder if he was loved,to wonder where he was going to sleep or what he had to do for food.it made me who i am,as hard as it was...i know its still home no matter what..forgive me for rambling..this &ohanalanai are the only places i've told my story..much peace guys..

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              • #8
                Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

                Originally posted by makepagirl
                forgive me for rambling..this &ohanalanai are the only places i've told my story..much peace guys..
                Thanks for sharing so personal a story, Makepagirl. You've gone through a lot, but clearly came out on top. Kudos to you for turning some serious lemons into lemonade. Your son is a lucky soul.

                Certainly, your experience is an unusual one. You "looked local," but sounded Georgian. Racism might have been involved, but - speaking as a local kid - there is also the unavoidable and unrelenting base cruelty that is adolescent scorn. 'Cause frankly, being different in any way is excuse enough for some teens to make some kid's life a living hell. The color of his skin, her accent, his height, her teeth... It's a wonder so many kids make it out of puberty and high school alive.

                We might be better at mixing cultures than some other communities, but alas it seems human nature that there'll always be conflict, some constructive, some destructive. Hawaii's certainly not immune to raucous race relations - Trask is an excellent exhibit on this point - but I'd still like to think we manage because we have to. No one is the majority here. We either get along, or fall completely apart.

                As Glen said, eventually, we'll all be so intermarried and mixed up that there'll be no way to put up artificial walls between us. That day's a long way off, but maybe Hawaii's closer to it than most.

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                • #9
                  Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

                  you're right..kids are that way..when i look back tho, it wasn't all bad..i remember all the elderly tutus i met who came to the beach daily to sit on the benches..the stories,local food & love they shared will never be 4gotten.i met people from all over the world ..now i know that if you're secure & at peace with yourself,then it'll all be good...but,i guess that's what growin up is all about huh?mahalo for such a thoughtful response...take care..kimmi

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                  • #10
                    Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

                    Not unless it was expenses paid, lol
                    Funny the getting beat up stuff was brought up......I was tormented by a *large* Hawaiian girl named Zina, the only thing i hated about Hawaii, her and her clan. It can happen anyway but I wouldnt deliberately subject my boys to that kind of stuff as *haoles*.
                    My desire is only to see everything i saw and did and something i didnt do for a week or two, thats about it but darnit if i cant find anyone that will stick with me and be able to get me on Schofield.
                    If anyone on Oahu is NOT happy , feel free to trade places with me.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

                      Ask me this question in about 20 or 30 years, by which time I'm sure the Mainland crazy will finally get to me.

                      Right now, the answer would be no. Anytime I check tour dates of bands I like, I see Austin on a lot of them but never Honolulu. Kronos Quartet has performed twice in Honolulu, but I've managed to see them every year for the past three years. There's also the Alamo Drafthouse, a movie theater where you can order food and beer while watching a movie.

                      Honolulu just doesn't have much going on where culture and arts are concerned, and that's a priority for me personally.

                      I wish there were a stronger Asian presence in Austin -- there are plenty of Asian Americans here, just scattered throughout the city -- and yeah, I miss some Hawaii cuisine.

                      But extracting my family's dynamic -- which is part of the reason why I moved to the Mainland in the first place -- my last few visits back to Hawai`i made me miss my own place here in Austin.

                      I don't picture myself settling down here, but the next place I move to isn't going to be back to Honolulu.

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                      • #12
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                        Wow, finally I saw your post! GOD BLESS you a ton, and I will have you in my prayers, because no matter how long ago your childhood was, we are formed in those years and the things that happened then really can hurt us even as adults. I hope you have a very blessed and peaceful life now, and confidence that defies your past, also!!

                        Karen, sincerely~
                        Stop being lost in thought where our problems thrive.~

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                        • #13
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                          Since I've always lived here I can't envision living anywhere else. Makepagirl sure went thru "hell" but still came out okay. Too bad more people can't end up being that way. Today I see a lot of kids that only think of themselves. They want everything instantly and only for them. We do have racial incidents here and hopefully they're in the minority. What happened to the Japanese tourist, the gay/lesbian tourists certainly don't portray HI in the best of lights. Hawaii is NO KA OI to most of us who live here. I have a daughter living on the mainland. If the pay scale wasn't so low for her type of work here...she'd be home!
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                          • #14
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                            I've lived here all my life and am lucky enough not to have been subject to the racism that can be such a pain in the ass. I've never considered living anywhere else, and I doubt if I ever will.

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                              I lived in Hawaii for 15 years. Big Island, Oahu, Lanai, Maui. When I first moved there I embraced the culture and the people. I was learning the language, history and culture of the Islands. After 15 years of hearing terms like "f***ing haole", "you're acting just like a haole", "lets go kill some haoles" and after years of attitude from "locals" simply because of the color of my skin (white) I came to realize that Hawaii was the most racist state I have ever lived in. The Islands are beautiful but the people are ugly. I would never move back there, not in a million years. Sad too, because I was a more productive, inclusive and spiritual person than most of the locals who lived there. They can have it. By the way, if anyone thinks the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement is a noble and righteous cause that will help the Hawaiian people, think again. The minute they get sovereignty you will see casinos going up all over Hawaii, just like the Native Americans did on the Mainland. It is all about money and greed.

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