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  • Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

    I would move back but I'm too poor for Hawaii. Which means I'm middle class pretty much everywhere else in America. If there is still such a thing as middle class anymore.

    We all are racists to some degree. Only the truly ignorant act on those racist beliefs. Most with half a brain know that in all honesty we should look past that and judge people as individuals not the way they look.

    Sure the Public school's in Hawaii are brutal for haole kids. But anyone can feel left out even locals. Just ask any Highschool kid in Hawaii or anywhere else its hard to fit in regardless of where you are from. If you are different you are going to be picked on period. Sad but true. But you know what? They are just ignorant kids who probably learned it from ignorant parents.

    What we need to do is start putting education first. I'm not talking about cultural education just plain old hitting the books. The more your children know the more they will be able to make up their own minds about how the world works and how wrong are some of the stuff they have learned from dumb friends and family. Most of the least racist people I knew growing up were the smart kids.

    Also PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE we need to keep the kids from hanging out at the Highschool bathrooms sheesh there is more stuff going on in there then most crack houses, fight clubs, and casinos!

    I'm part Hawaiian from Hawaii though my Pak'e from my Dad's side shines through. I live in Utah now but some of my asian friends still have to deal with racism here also. It's universal. To say Hawaii is anymore racist then say being black in some of those red-neck states where they got their gun racks and still fly the Confederate flags on their pick-ups is kinda unrealistic.

    Does the native Hawaiian have a right to animostiy towards the caucasian race? There are points that would argue either way like my Tutu for instance. She's 80+ but still remembers that she was not allowed to speak her native tongue in school. Does she hate haole's? No ways well maybe the dumb ones! Most of the people that imposed crap like that in Hawaii Nei are all dead and gone. The actual population fo pure/part Hawaiians is shrinking. Many don't even live in Hawaii due to the high cost of living and the fact that on a whole economic life and education is better in the mainland.

    Like it or not little by little we are going to need people of all races to help keep our culture alive. Another example my wife is from Japan she is pure blood Japanese but you know what? She has more of a love of my culture than I do. She loves to learn hula but with my work schedule and our new son it makes it hard for her to go to the Halau and learn. She loves the ukulele and would love to learn more (ok I know the ukulele is a portugese instrument but it's still part of Hawaiian culture to me.) plus she can eat more Hawaiian food than me (mostly because I hate seafood.) Me? I was raised on Pepsi the WWF and MacDonalds. Even though while I was drinking those Pepsi's my Tutu was teaching Keiki hula right past the screen door in the garage.Yes I'm a sad Hawaiian but i know there are alot of us out there. But I am not a stupid Hawaiian either and I know right from wrong. I know it's gonna take more than us Hawaiian's to keep our culture alive so kokua the foreigner and teach our kids not just tollerance but why we need tollerance and why the Hawaiian culture is so great.

    We Hawaiians were never a stupid race to begin with. We had one of the first printing press west of the Rockies, we had one of the first buildings completely lighted by electricity. We are people who had leaders who knew inovation when they saw it. Because of the paradise we live in we attracted the brightest and the best. Thomas Edison, Charles Lindberg, Mark Twain, Jim Neighbors (joke! Though he had a great singing voice and Gomer Pyle is still some of the funniest stuff on TV.) to name a few. Hawaii is still one of the most dreamed about vacation locations worldwide.

    We should take advantage of all the opportunites it gives us being from a much sought after location to not only learn but to teach or culture and respect for the aina.

    'Aloha' may be a Hawaiian word but it's roots are international. The Spirit of Aloha, the Spirit of Love.

    Ok nuff preaching. I'm going back to the Kaukau forum where its safe..
    Last edited by keoki_sing; September 17, 2006, 09:11 PM.
    As long as my Wasabeefu Chips, my Tonkotsu Ramen, and my Chocoflakes stocks are good and I live less than 10 miles away from an L&L's all is right in the world. Yes Utah has an L&L's actually they have 2 now.

    But I'm all out of Chocoflakes so I'm only 3/4's fine the last 1/4 of my life you can find me in a fetal position rocking back and forth trying and possibly failing to do College Algebra....Sad but true..

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      To Keoki Sing:

      I loved that post...

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      • Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

        Originally posted by keoki_sing
        I would move back but I'm too poor for Hawaii. Which means I'm middle class pretty much everywhere else in America. If there is still such a thing as middle class anymore.
        Keoki_sing...

        Thanks for taking the words out of my mouth with some of your thoughts...

        You seem like you have a level head on your shoulder and you just want whats good for your people....

        I like someone who shoots from the top of their head... and I hope you continue to post more observations....

        I must say that, I don't agree with EVERYthing you said... however, you have a nice way of putting things from your initial post.

        Passion for something is one of the things that I appreciate in a person... and just from your 2nd post alone I can see that you have a passion for what you believe in...

        I hope you continue to post more observations...

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          Thanks you guys,

          Yeah I know all my comments won't be agreed with but I think thats whats great about forums. You say what you feel you have to. You see how other people think and sometimes you get to see things from another persons perspective which either re-confirms your views or opens opportunities to widen yours.

          As long as there is mutual respect then I'm all for not being agreed with and hope I have enough humility to admit error.

          Also I would love to hear what you don't agree with manoasurfer123 not so I can sway you either way just so I don't rub you the wrong way in further posts. Also anyone who's got 2000+ posts has been around the block a time or two and gets my respect in what he posts.

          Unless you are about to bash my Wasabeefu chips then I'd prefer you keep your comments to yourself or its gonna be like the old days at Cilly's and we gonna have to battle! Lol!
          Last edited by keoki_sing; September 17, 2006, 10:02 PM.
          As long as my Wasabeefu Chips, my Tonkotsu Ramen, and my Chocoflakes stocks are good and I live less than 10 miles away from an L&L's all is right in the world. Yes Utah has an L&L's actually they have 2 now.

          But I'm all out of Chocoflakes so I'm only 3/4's fine the last 1/4 of my life you can find me in a fetal position rocking back and forth trying and possibly failing to do College Algebra....Sad but true..

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            LMAO ~ ok, sorry but I'm just laughing at all the posts<not laughing like teasing, but laughing cuz...I got a story>

            As most of you know I was born & raised in Kailua, on Oahu, I'm 75% Hawaiian and the rest is made of a chop suey mix of oriental spices and some German cookies ~ Anywayz~ I just moved to Waikiki into my own little aprtment wit' the HuBby....HubBy is Samoan~Full-Time Kine...We're in Waikiki Touristvilla, nah jus joke...but anyway ~ I went to the grocery store ova dea Food Panty(aah made u look) Pantry & as we walked in I noticed there were no shopping carts so I asked the lady if they had maybe extra someplace, she gave me one,"Well, if there aren't any, then there aren't any!"

            "WhatTheFart", I said to myself....theeeen....one haole couple was coming in , asked the SAME ting!, & guess what she got up off her azz and went down couple aisle looooking for one cart foa those two! she went help the haole couple & found one cart foa dem...I JUSS TRIP?!?

            That is one of MANY instances that something like that has happened, but that one pops up so vividly in my mind, since was yesterday....

            Buts it so funny that I'm from here, I'm Hawaiian, I'm a permanent resident & be a subject of racism.....Sorry das why I was laughing cuz haole's think they got it bad...LOL try be from where u from and then be put down...das bad!!! Still LMAO)

            A hui hou ~ das foa sho
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            KaYa T.
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            • Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

              Originally posted by manoasurfer123
              [...]I like someone who shoots from the top of their head...[...]
              I respectfully disagree with this observation, Manoa.

              It appears to me that Keoki_Sing shoots from his heart.

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                Originally posted by Got2HaVKaYaNoW
                Buts it so funny that I'm from here, I'm Hawaiian, I'm a permanent resident & be a subject of racism.....Sorry das why I was laughing cuz haole's think they got it bad...LOL try be from where u from and then be put down...das bad!!! Still LMAO)

                KaYa T.
                Kaya, maybe they only train Waikiki store clerks to be nice and helpful to people who obviously look like tourists rather than the locals, because, after all, don't tourists spend more money than locals? j/k (next time, wear one camera around your neck, maybe that would get you better service). My guess is if that couple looked like they were from Japan, that the store clerk would not only find them a shopping cart, but would probably offer to push it up and down the aisles for them, too!

                Miulang
                "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                  Originally posted by Miulang
                  Kaya, maybe they only train Waikiki store clerks to be nice and helpful to people who obviously look like tourists rather than the locals, because, after all, don't tourists spend more money than locals? j/k Miulang
                  Yea I no kid you...the whole time I was grumbling, "what!?..$3.50 can SPAM! Haole's no even eat dat! should be in their $1 Dollar section... "ON SALE" $3.99 Hawaiian Sun 6PK!....my eye! LOL...afta dat I went Walmart.
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                    Originally posted by Got2HaVKaYaNoW
                    LMAO ~ Buts it so funny that I'm from here, I'm Hawaiian, I'm a permanent resident & be a subject of racism.....Sorry das why I was laughing cuz haole's think they got it bad...LOL try be from where u from and then be put down...das bad!!! Still LMAO),

                    KaYa T.
                    Everybody in Hawaii got "racism" stories. I used to laugh at my Japanese friend when we walked down Waikiki streets. He was the Japanese of the group usually, the rest was poidogs. Anyway, he couldn't walk past a hooker without her smiling, batting her eyes and saying, "looking for a date?". Us guyz all ignored. At first I thought he was cute but then I figured out it was because he was Japanese.

                    Most of my Japanese friends hate going to Waikiki because they hate to be "mistaken" for Japanese. hahahahahah. Think about that one for a while.

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                    • Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

                      I was born on O‘ahu more years ago than I care to count and also more times then I care to count, I have longed to move back home. I realize things are different now than when I grew up there and went to school, because it has been more years than I care to count ... I never experienced the slightest amount of racism. I have no Hawaiian blood running through my veins, do not look the slightest bit Asian, and don't really looked like mixed blood. People might recognize mostly for the Portuguese, though my skin is not dark. And I am local to the core.

                      I know that I could fit in back home. I fit in there all my growing up years. But I know I won't be moving back. When I came to the mainland to go to school, I met and married a haole boy; our kids were born here. If we were to move back home, my kids would stay here, and that wouldn't appeal to me at all.

                      The cost of living is another factor. Perhaps working as a real estate appraiser (we have a business here) could provide us enough income to live moderately well; I just don't know.

                      I miss the ocean the most. Here in the Portland, Oregon area I can get local foods, and there are a number of Hawaiian events that can keep me in touch with the cultural activities. But the ocean is cold, and though the beaches are nani, swimming in the water is pretty intimidating.

                      I love the Pacific Northwest. I don't mind the rain, and I love the changing seasons. I love being able to drive through farmland, and being in view of majestic mountains no matter where I go. I love the rivers and the changing landscape, which includes high desert and verdant valleys. I never had rock fever, but I do love being able to drive in one direction for hours at a time (west being the exception!)!

                      I miss Makapu‘u and Tantalus; I miss upcountry Maui and Moloka‘i. I miss Hilo. I miss the aloha spirit, the flowers, and fresh tropical fruits. I miss being able to string a plumeria lei when people come to visit. I miss the trade winds.

                      I miss that people back home know how to spell and pronounce my name correctly. I miss using typical local kine phrases and having people understand what I'm saying. I miss talking stories in pidgin. I miss the people. I miss others having accents like mine, where no one says "where are you from?" I miss the shakas and the chin lift/raised eyebrow greeting. I miss the local accent, and I miss the common bond of being from the culture I grew up in, as well as the common history.

                      I miss that on December 7th, special note is taken of the day and what it meant to Hawai‘i and its citizens. I miss that people know what the 442nd Regiment is.

                      I miss that people back home know how to pronounce Lili‘uokalani and Kalaniana‘ole and humuhumunukunukuapua‘a and appreciate the grittiness of Lois-Ann Yamanaka's books without criticizing her for writing in pidgin, which they can't understand.

                      If I were to step off a plane in Honolulu tomorrow, I would figuratively fall down and kiss ku‘u one hānau. My eyes would fill with tears at being back home.

                      I live in Oregon now; I won't be able to move back home, but I will always be local.
                      Last edited by Mokihana; September 23, 2006, 07:03 PM.
                      Aloha,
                      Mokihana

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                      • Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

                        Mokihana,

                        Very nice post. mahalo.

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                        • Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

                          Wow,

                          Mokihana you really miss a lot of stuff! If I was rich I'd probably send you and your family back home for vacation myself heh!

                          Oh and Kaya about the racist store clerk story, I see where you’re coming from and I think we all had our dealings at least once with a rude employee. Heck some of us have actually been that l337 pain in the butt employee but that’s a world wide thing pretty much. Not to bash on any races but you got the Korean's and white's in LA following black people in their stores, the Japanese in Japan that won't even let foreigners into some of their establishments unless you are with another person of Japanese decent, then on the other end we have the Indian cab drivers in NY or pretty much any 7-Eleven here in the mainland. How many times do we make fun of those guys? You can see it like at the very least once a week on the Simpson’s.

                          But to give you an even better story that probably could only happen in Hawaii (not to one up you Kaya). Now bare with me this happened a while ago and it happened to my dad who was at the time a police officer on Maui and for some reason he was in Hana at the Hasegawa General Store, yeah the one from the song. Anyways he's not on duty just browsing when he sees this weird black guy in the shop and starts to follow him around. Ok so this is like early 80's at the least so a black guy in Hana, any black guy in Hana around this time is pretty much weird. He eventually stopped the guy to see what was up...Guess who it was? Richard Pryor who was vacationing lol! Man I bet he (Pryor) thought crap I can't even get a break when on vacation. Kind of makes me laugh and ashamed at the same time.
                          As long as my Wasabeefu Chips, my Tonkotsu Ramen, and my Chocoflakes stocks are good and I live less than 10 miles away from an L&L's all is right in the world. Yes Utah has an L&L's actually they have 2 now.

                          But I'm all out of Chocoflakes so I'm only 3/4's fine the last 1/4 of my life you can find me in a fetal position rocking back and forth trying and possibly failing to do College Algebra....Sad but true..

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                          • Re: Would you move back to Hawaii?

                            Yes! Yes! Yes!
                            Aloha comes from the heart say it, share it and spread it!

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                            • Originally posted by Kekaha Roots View Post
                              Mokihana, Very nice post. mahalo.
                              Mahalo nui, Kekaha..... I try to write from my heart....

                              Originally posted by keoki_sing View Post
                              Wow, Mokihana you really miss a lot of stuff! If I was rich I'd probably send you and your family back home for vacation myself heh!
                              That's so sweet! Yeah, I miss a lot of stuff. Oregon is beautiful, and I love it here, but I do miss home. Lemme know wen u get rich!!! Ho da sweet!!
                              Aloha,
                              Mokihana

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                              • Yes, as long as I could pay my rent or a mortgage without having to work tow jobs !!!

                                I don't need to think twice about this answer.

                                Hey, I meant two jobs!!!
                                ...don't want to work tow jobs, either...

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