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    no·lo con·ten·de·re (nōˌlō kən-tĕnˈdə-rē)

    noun
    A plea made by the defendant in a criminal action that is substantially but not technically an admission of guilt and subjects the defendant to punishment but permits denial of the alleged facts in other proceedings.

    Origin: Latin nōlō contendere, I do not wish to contend : nōlō, first person sing. present tense of nōlle, to be unwilling + contendere, to contend.

    -The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

    Chinky Mahoe is a convicted child molester. Period.
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    Some people may need to think about the fact that Chinky has to spend the rest of his life as a registered sex offender. Public knowledge, nationwide. The courts and the government have deemed him officially a sex offender.
    'Nuff said.
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    Default Re: Guilty? = End of trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    The only reason for a "nolo contendere" plea is if the defendant wishes to express his/her innocence while recognizing that the cards are stacked against her/him and that winning with a NG plea is unlikely or impossible.
    This is not exactly correct, my friend. What you are describing is closer to what is known as an Alford plea. Often, nolo contendere is used as part of a plea bargain, in order for a defendant to avoid allocution.

    (If folks desire further clarification of the terms, go ahead and look 'em up. My personal legal resource is primarily the Alpha Female, who passed the bar in Hawai`i and Washington state; still employed in the legal profession, but not as a practicing attorney.)

    But this is picking nits. Bottom line is, as others have stated, Mr. Mahoe was convicted and the legal system meted out punishment that includes registration. If our learned friend CW wishes to see further freedoms reinstated for Mr. Mahoe, then he needs to address what he views as flaws in the criminal justice system - not chide those on this board who accept the rulings of the court in this matter.

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    Exclamation Re: Chinky Mahoe PROOF post

    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Some people may need to think about the fact that Chinky has to spend the rest of his life as a registered sex offender. Public knowledge, nationwide. The courts and the government have deemed him officially a sex offender.
    Okay. I wrote that yesterday but here comes absolute PROOF of his guilt.
    • First, his full name is Howell K. “Chinky” Mahoe, Jr.
    • Mahoe pleaded no contest in September 1998 to five felony counts of third-degree sexual assault and one misdemeanor count of fourth-degree sexual assault.
    • The state originally indicted him in May 1998, alleging he fondled each boy -- age 9 through 14 -- on separate occasions from a couple of months to more than a year between 1994 and 1996.
    • Mahoe was free after posting $25,250 bail. Bail conditions required that he can be around children only if another adult is present.
    • After the trial, his "punishment" was five years' probation and 500 hours of community service. At least one adult must always be present when Mahoe is around children during his probation.
    • Hawaii Sex Offender Registry http://pahoehoe.ehawaii.gov/sexoff/
    • Chinky’s page is http://sexoffenders.ehawaii.gov/sexo...,A0109123.html . Note that even though his probation apparently expired in 2003, the Sex Offender department is staying on top of him; they made him come in, updated his entire record, and took a new photo of him for his sex offender page just 7 months ago!
    • Go to http://www.courts.state.hi.us/legal_...t_records.html , then click on Ho`ohiki. Once you enter that site you can enter a search for Howell Mahoe (Chinky's legal name) or search under Case ID number 1PC97-0-001219 and from there you can click on Court Minutes and read the official minutes from each appearance on the case, including the conviction and the sentencing. You can also see the original six charges, the Documents list, and more.
    • If you dig deep enough into the court minutes texts, there’s one spot dated 8/24/98 where the court ordered Chinky Mahoe to pay restituation to one family for their child’s medical expenses!!!
    • Perhaps most importantly, go to http://sexoffenders.ehawaii.gov/sexo...109123__QA.pdf . This is a PDF of the official document from the Hawaii First Circuit Court. Especially note the TITLE of the document: JUDGEMENT… GUILTY CONVICTION and probation sentence… Notice Of Entry.


    Get it? Ultimate proof that the court found Chinky GUILTY, no matter what he pled. And proof that he will remain updated on the Sex Offender List.
    Therefore, many of us will CONTINUE to complain about him to any and all who will listen.
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    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Some people may need to think about the fact that Chinky has to spend the rest of his life as a registered sex offender. Public knowledge, nationwide. The courts and the government have deemed him officially a sex offender.
    You nailed it. All of these past few posts delving into Mahoe's court plea is, frankly speaking, irrelevant to the heart of the matter. A sex offender on the Hawaii registry doesn't get an asterisk next to his name because he pleads "no contest," as compared to others who are found guilty through a jury trial. A convicted sex offender is a sex offender,... period. And they should be treated as such, no matter the process of how they got onto that registry.

    And if I might add,.... over the long course of this thread, some people have used this discussion as a vehicle to engage in personal speculation and rumor mongoring over what they think "really happened" between Chinky and his accusors. Others have tried to play the part of armchair Perry Masons. But the greatest (maybe the only) things of value that comes out of this thread are the following:

    1) Posts that alert the HT community about Chinky's public activities, so parents and others will take whatever steps they feel appropriate as regards to the protection of children.

    2) Posts that make it clear, in no uncertain terms, that Chinky Mahoe is a sex offender. People can try to cloud up this fact all they want with talk about how talented the man is as a kumu hula. They can wax on and on with their own philosophies about what they think is "truth" in justice. They can even cast aspersions on Chinky's accusers and their family members. But through it all, none of it will ever change the fact that Chinky is a convicted sex offender. That stigma will never go away for the rest of his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    All of these past few posts delving into Mahoe's court plea is, frankly speaking, irrelevant to the heart of the matter.
    I respectfully disagree. Craigwatanabe steered the conversation into the realm of Mr. Mahoe's status and how he was judged by the legal system vs. the court of public opinion. All aspects of the legal case are therefore relevant to this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    I respectfully disagree. Craigwatanabe steered the conversation into the realm of Mr. Mahoe's status and how he was judged by the legal system vs. the court of public opinion. All aspects of the legal case are therefore relevant to this discussion.
    Relevant to you, maybe. To me, mehh!

    Of course, don't let my opinion stop anyone else engaging in legal minutiae one-upsmanship. That's all fine and good, for anyone who's interested in that.

    Doesn't change my personal view one whit, which is that a single post from someone alerting us of Chinky Mahoe appearing at a public function or any event involving young children, carries much more value than hundreds of non-professional legal opinions re: either sex offenders in general, or Chinky's case in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Of course, don't let my opinion stop anyone else engaging in legal minutiae one-upsmanship. That's all fine and good, for anyone who's interested in that.
    Very true. Especially in another thread.

    Doesn't change my personal view one whit, which is that a single post from someone alerting us of Chinky Mahoe appearing at a public function or any event involving young children, carries much more value than hundreds of non-professional legal opinions re: either sex offenders in general, or Chinky's case in particular.
    THANK YOU. Clearly most of us here agree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Relevant to you, maybe. To me, mehh!

    Of course, don't let my opinion stop anyone else engaging in legal minutiae one-upsmanship. That's all fine and good, for anyone who's interested in that.

    Doesn't change my personal view one whit, which is that a single post from someone alerting us of Chinky Mahoe appearing at a public function or any event involving young children, carries much more value than hundreds of non-professional legal opinions re: either sex offenders in general, or Chinky's case in particular.
    FM - for once, I totally agree with you and the above paragraph in particular.
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    Arrow Guilty? = End of trial = punishment + CSO registration

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Often, nolo contendere is used as part of a plea bargain, in order for a defendant to avoid allocution.

    Bottom line is, as others have stated, Mr. Mahoe was convicted and the legal system meted out punishment that includes registration.
    As I understand allocution, CM might want to avoid restating or being lectured about his crimes in public. Embarrassment? Or trying to avoid more damage to his image? I don't have a clue why he chose NC or if it was to avoid allocution - it just seems that he's trying to avoid admitting guilt.

    I disagree with those that feel "he's guilty" is the end of it; the more we know about crime and our legal system the better off we are.

    Often, "doing your time" is the end of it, except for how a record affects one. In child sexual abuse and subsequent offender registration it never ends -and that's how it should be.
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    I find the legal questions brought up by Craig to be a fascinating perspective, worthy of debate and conversation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Relevant to you, maybe. To me, mehh!
    That's fair. So, why don't you stick to your limited interests, and others of us will discuss the topic in whatever direction it takes, no matter how much the minutiae of a legal issue bores you, 'kay?

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    if he, for examle, had robbed a bank - yes, serve his sentence and everyone could move on. but......he molested young boys.
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    For those -- past, present and future readers -- who come to this thread titled "Chinky Mahoe" in order to learn about, you know, Chinky Mahoe's multiple child molestation convictions and who want to help protect all our local children, you may have to skip over some 'thread drift' posts but we'll constantly remind you of the facts:

    • First, his full name is Howell K. “Chinky” Mahoe, Jr.
    • Mahoe pleaded no contest in September 1998 to five felony counts of third-degree sexual assault and one misdemeanor count of fourth-degree sexual assault.
    • The state originally indicted him in May 1998, alleging he fondled each boy -- age 9 through 14 -- on separate occasions from a couple of months to more than a year between 1994 and 1996.
    • Mahoe was free after posting $25,250 bail. Bail conditions required that he can be around children only if another adult is present.
    • After the trial, his "punishment" was five years' probation and 500 hours of community service. At least one adult must always be present when Mahoe is around children during his probation.
    • Hawaii Sex Offender Registry http://pahoehoe.ehawaii.gov/sexoff/
    • Chinky’s page is http://sexoffenders.ehawaii.gov/sexo...,A0109123.html . Note that even though his probation apparently expired in 2003, the Sex Offender department is staying on top of him; they made him come in, updated his entire record, and took a new photo of him for his sex offender page just 7 months ago!
    • Go to http://www.courts.state.hi.us/legal_...t_records.html , then click on Ho`ohiki. Once you enter that site you can enter a search for Howell Mahoe (Chinky's legal name) or search under Case ID number 1PC97-0-001219 and from there you can click on Court Minutes and read the official minutes from each appearance on the case, including the conviction and the sentencing. You can also see the original six charges, the Documents list, and more.
    • If you dig deep enough into the court minutes texts, there’s one spot dated 8/24/98 where the court ordered Chinky Mahoe to pay restituation to one family for their child’s medical expenses!!!
    • Perhaps most importantly, go to http://sexoffenders.ehawaii.gov/sexo...109123__QA.pdf . This is a PDF of the official document from the Hawaii First Circuit Court. Especially note the TITLE of the document: JUDGEMENT… GUILTY CONVICTION and probation sentence… Notice Of Entry.


    Ultimate proof that the court found Chinky GUILTY, and proof that he will remain updated on the Sex Offender List.
    Therefore, many of us will CONTINUE to complain about him to any and all who will listen and/or who hire him.
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    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    I find the legal questions brought up by Craig to be a fascinating perspective, worthy of debate and conversation.That's fair. So, why don't you stick to your limited interests, and others of us will discuss the topic in whatever direction it takes, no matter how much the minutiae of a legal issue bores you, 'kay?
    This is not a matter of me being bored. To the contrary, I am very much concerned with the activities of Chinky Mahoe. Lika Nui is right about not letting this thread drift away from what really matters. Like it or not, I will not silently stand by whenever my BS and red herring detector goes off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Like it or not, I will not silently stand by whenever my BS and red herring detector goes off.
    Goody for us all. Glad to know our discussions will be closely monitored by Princess Value-Decider & Queen Thread-Drift. I feel so much safer now. (Oop! I smell BS coming from my computer - better call the Board Cops in to tell us what's important and what's not, 'cause we sure can't protect ourselves!)

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    I agree that the judicial debates are worthy and important, just not here.

    This thread we're in now is in the HT section called "Na Kanaka - People - Celebrities, performers, and artists, famous and infamous."

    Judicial discussions clearly belong in the entirely different section called "Hawaii Hall - Government - Politics, policy, and politicians." It's located at this link and there are 528 different threads there.

    Personally I wouldn't care all that much, as thread drift happens almost daily. It's just that in this particular case we're trying to protect children from a convicted child molester, and there's nothing more serious than that.

    Intentionally causing thread drift (and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular) is clearly inappropriate in this particular case. That's all.
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    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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    Hawaii Threads has one administrator and two authorized moderators.

    The rest of us participating have NO power to make demands as to what is and is not appropriate material for discussion. We are, however, entitled to express our opinions, beliefs, values, thoughts, interests, concerns, etc., with each poster's viewpoints being equal to each other. No more, no less.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
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    Why do you think your internal "BS and red herring detector" gives your opinions any more value than those of any other poster, Frankie's Market?

    This thread is clearly about one particular public figure, his history, his criminal record. Anything related to that topic seems to be appropriate for posting ... in my opinion as well as that of some others. That's all it is - my opinion.

    I personally feel that craigwatanabe's questions are relevant and thought-provoking (whether or not I am in agreement with them). The legal details discussed provide clarity and factual information as to Mr. Mahoe's interactions with the judicial system. Said facts can help others who are curious about his case to be better informed - rather than merely depending upon emotionally-tinged opinionated postings.

    What is it about facts that you fear, LikaNui?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Why do you think your internal "BS and red herring detector" gives your opinions any more value than those of any other poster, Frankie's Market?
    I never once said that my opinions carried "any more value" that others. I just said that whenever someone is spouting what I think is BS and dubious,.... I will call it as I see it. Of course, when I disagree with an individual, I'll try to be as courteous as I can. But in my book, courtesy does not mean being in universal agreement with what another person has to say. And it certainly doesn't mean forcing myself to mute contrary viewpoints.

    You or anyone else here, of course, can respond and disagree with whatever I have to say.

    But darn it if anyone thinks that I will be silenced on the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Hawaii Threads has one administrator and two authorized moderators.

    The rest of us participating have NO power to make demands as to what is and is not appropriate material for discussion. We are, however, entitled to express our opinions, beliefs, values, thoughts, interests, concerns, etc., with each poster's viewpoints being equal to each other. No more, no less.
    Absolutely. So no one should be telling others to stick to only certain topics and, in effect, staying out of others, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    So, why don't you stick to your limited interests, and others of us will discuss the topic in whatever direction it takes, no matter how much the minutiae of a legal issue bores you, 'kay?
    Opps!!!
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    Lightbulb RELEVANT judicial discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    I agree that the judicial debates are worthy and important, just not here.

    This thread we're in now is in the HT section called "Na Kanaka - People - Celebrities, performers, and artists, famous and infamous."

    Judicial discussions clearly belong in the entirely different section called "Hawaii Hall - Government - Politics, policy, and politicians." It's located at this link and there are 528 different threads there.
    You're entitled to your opinion and preference, but I must disagree. I would never have become embroiled in this debate were it not for the placement and title. I would not have sought it at Hawaii Hall, I would not have learned all I've learned (for which I owe you profuse thanks).

    I think the 'thread drift' to which you allude is merely your attempt to control the discussion to meet your standards. All we have discussed is relevant to the perpetrator, and therefore 'on topic.' Perhaps I missed some drivel that was NOT about Chinky Mahoe, but CM is the topic title, and that gives us a wide latitude for discussion.

    If you want a discussion to be limited to his conviction and record, I recommend you start one and set the tone in the title and the OP. In the meantime, this thread is about Chinky Mahoe. Period.

    And, FWIW, your comments, recitation of his record, etc., through tiresomely redundant, is certainly relevant, IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    And, FWIW, your comments, recitation of his record, etc., through tiresomely redundant, is certainly relevant, IMHO.
    Thank you, Kaonohi, your entire post says it well (and in words that are not mine, to the joy of others here).

    In the midst of all this, I must give some credit to LikaNui for even bringing this matter up on a regular basis. Had it not been for his postings more than six years ago, I may not have been at all aware of Mr. Mahoe's history.

    While I have been educated by his efforts, I suspect he has also been so by mine - particularly earlier in this thread (starting at post #55). I notice he no longer uses the words "admitted" or "confessed" in the conversation. I hope that means that he learned something from my earlier attempts to clarify legal facts in the case.

    At that time (until post #69), he had no problem with discussing and debating legal specifics. When he later decided such a discussion became "thread drift," I cannot say.

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    Opps!!!
    It appears that your computer does not effectively read the sarcasm font.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    It appears that your computer does not effectively read the sarcasm font.
    Ah. So you've set my understanding straight on that.

    Of course, when it comes to talk about convicted sex offenders, I view the matter as being very serious. Whenever anyone injects humor, sarcasm, double entendres, and the like into such discussion, it definitely triggers a response from me that is quite different than if it was a casual conversation about the weather, sports, etc.

    But that's just me. A person who is very humorless when it comes to the topic of sexual abuse,.... esp. when it involves children. And I make no apology for that. If anyone wants to discuss it in a more glib and light-hearted manner, that's certainly up to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Lika Nui is right about not letting this thread drift away from what really matters.
    And as we see from the above posts, yet another case of someone who is incapable of following the advice they wish to impose on others. Thanks for playing, FM.

    Sorry, all - it's clear that both FM & I have trouble letting others have the last word on something. Seeing as how he will likely respond to this post, I am happy to grant it to him this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    And as we see from the above posts, yet another case of someone who is incapable of following the advice they wish to impose on others. Thanks for playing, FM.
    Thanks for playing. Yes, to you, this is just a game. *sigh!*

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Sorry, all - it's clear that both FM & I have trouble letting others have the last word on something. Seeing as how he will likely respond to this post, I am happy to grant it to him this time.
    When it comes to the topic of sexual offenders and the dangers they pose to society,... on this particular subject, I will go on and on and on. And it doesn't matter a whit to me what you or anyone else thinks about that. When it comes to the wellbeing of youths, the stakes are too high for me to be concerned with that kind of pettiness.

    Misconceptions, misplaced sympathies, apologist agendas for sex offenders masquerading as thoughtful philosophical/legal arguments,.... all that and more, I will continue calling it out as I see them when applied to Chinky Mahoe and any other sex offender.
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    Angry Re: Chinky Mahoe- CONVICTED Pedophile

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Lika Nui is right about not letting this thread drift away from what really matters.
    Come ON, Frankie! What matters? EVERYTHING matters!
    1. His illegal actions and child abuse.
    2. His conviction.
    3. The perception of the community.
    4. His NC plea (which can help us understand and counter his strategies).
    5. His continuation to work with young children, which IMNSHO, he should NOT!

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    Frankly, (nothing personal intended), IF he were, as he contends, 'rehabilitated,' he would avoid children as a rehabilitated alcoholic avoids alcohol. Tigers cannot change their stripes; we are what we are, and although we can learn to ACT differently, it IS an act, and we are who we are.

    CM may be able to continue to act. I'm NOT sending my kid there, and I would also advise others the same. He will be on the sex offender registry for life. Whether or not he commits more crimes is... of no effect on that.

    You're cool, Lika; we get the message. Perhaps a permanent post is in order? Or even better, a way to educate the hula community?

    CM can be just as effective teaching adults. He doesn't need to target victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    [...]
    Judicial discussions clearly belong in the entirely different section called "Hawaii Hall - Government - Politics, policy, and politicians." It's located at this link and there are 528 different threads there.
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    I would find it a classic pain in the okole to have to toggle back and forth between this thread and one in Hawaii Hall to peruse the much bigger picture.

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