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    Default TheTransit starts on November 8

    Both the Advertiser and the Star Bulletin reported that the BRT system known as TheTransit will start service on November 8. It will service downtown Honolulu to Waikiki at 20 different stops using hybrid gas/electric buses.

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    I just want to know, since those look like the Express buses on current routes, will they be used on those routes anytime soon?

    The inside of those new buses look similar to the Route A buses, and if they're quieter, then probably I can get some sleep in the morning (the current buses are too noisy in the back).
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    Default Re: TheTransit starts on November 8

    Looking at the route map, they don't run on Kapiolani Blvd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helen
    Looking at the route map, they don't run on Kapiolani Blvd.
    No, I meant if those buses will go to Waipahu, and be used as a Route A bus. I heard on a news channel that those buses might do "double duty" if they're used early or the BRT doesn't need that many buses.
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    They only purchased 10 of those buses at this point in time. Might be a while before more of those buses become available to other routes if they plan on doing it.

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    Default Re: TheTransit starts on November 8

    I decided to try out Route E this evening. I waited at the Ala Park terminus for about half an hour and no Route E shows up even through I am at the stop (there is a silver and black transit sign at the location). Lots of 1,2,3,9 and 13 pass by. After the half hour is over I cross the street to take a #1 back home.

    I check on the TheBus web site (need Adobe Acrobat to view this) and it says it is postponed till Thursday November 18.

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    There's a good article on TheTransit in the Honolulu Advertiser, which includes a large graphic depicting the special route.

    Look at that bus. Yet another paint scheme, and not a particularly appealing one at that. Ick. Harris will stop at nothing to engrave his "legacy" on our city. (Though I suppose this would be a rant best directed elsewhere.) The old "Fasi Browns" color scheme might not be particularly flashy, but it was distinctive and consistent.

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    I liked the Fasi Brown color scheme. It sure beat the old green buses from the 1970s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Miyashiro
    I liked the Fasi Brown color scheme. It sure beat the old green buses from the 1970s.
    Me too, but I also like the rainbow color scheme on some of the newer buses. And I guess The etransit's color is grey, because it needs to be distinguished from the Route A, C, and 42s buses out there (or any other routes that uses the High Capacity buses).

    I've seen it at the Kalihi Transit Center, and the color doesn't impress me. It makes it too "mainlandish" and not enough "aloha" is in it.
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    Default New bus passes... what? and Route E buses?

    I just turned on to KHNL 8 a few seconds ago, and I saw Darren Pai just concluding a live report from the Kalihi Transit Center. I thought they did something on the new buses (I saw them setting up this afternoon when the bus pulled into the center), but it was totally different.

    All I heard was that they'll be a new bus pass service, and a pilot program will be started sometime in December.

    Can anyone fill me in?

    And what about the route letters for The etransit routes? I saw one by A'ala Park, that said "Route E". What happened to Route D?
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    KITV had a similar report. The "Route E" silver buses are even uglier than I thought. "It's the only bus that will run down Kalakaua through the heart of Waikiki," they crowed. "Great," I thought. "Why not show our visitors the epitome of our city's lack of aesthetic sense."

    The "Get the Whole Story" annex was on the new debit cards. It's a small pilot program right now, and not widely deployed. The cards are arranged through employers and paid through monthly payroll deductions. I didn't catch, though, whether they're a true cash alternative (i.e. a balance that drops as the card is used) or just a fancier form of a monthly pass. I'm guessing the former, 'cause otherwise it's redundant. They seemed to demonstrate how the card reader on the bus can report an invalid (empty?) card.

    What I want to know is, just how much information is on these cards? Will there now be a way to track, down to the individual rider, how often he or she rides the bus, and on what routes? The truly paranoid will pay cash, I guess.

    They did mention that nearly every other major transit system has a similar card, which is true. For the "Best Transit System," TheBus has definitely fallen behind the times. Considering how poor the scheduling is, for example, those GPS-based location reporting signs and websites would be perfect.

    Why'd they skip from Route A, B, and C to E? I'd like to think they're just saving it for another regional express route... but judging from the cheesy logo on those ugly new buses, I just think someone at the city was trying to be clever, jumping on the whole "e" prefix bandwagon (eTransit! eTrade! eGads!) -- and six years too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon
    KITV had a similar report. The "Route E" silver buses are even uglier than I thought. "It's the only bus that will run down Kalakaua through the heart of Waikiki," they crowed. "Great," I thought. "Why not show our visitors the epitome of our city's lack of aesthetic sense."

    The "Get the Whole Story" annex was on the new debit cards. It's a small pilot program right now, and not widely deployed. The cards are arranged through employers and paid through monthly payroll deductions. I didn't catch, though, whether they're a true cash alternative (i.e. a balance that drops as the card is used) or just a fancier form of a monthly pass. I'm guessing the former, 'cause otherwise it's redundant. They seemed to demonstrate how the card reader on the bus can report an invalid (empty?) card.

    What I want to know is, just how much information is on these cards? Will there now be a way to track, down to the individual rider, how often he or she rides the bus, and on what routes? The truly paranoid will pay cash, I guess.

    They did mention that nearly every other major transit system has a similar card, which is true. For the "Best Transit System," TheBus has definitely fallen behind the times. Considering how poor the scheduling is, for example, those GPS-based location reporting signs and websites would be perfect.

    Why'd they skip from Route A, B, and C to E? I'd like to think they're just saving it for another regional express route... but judging from the cheesy logo on those ugly new buses, I just think someone at the city was trying to be clever, jumping on the whole "e" prefix bandwagon (eTransit! eTrade! eGads!) -- and six years too late.
    Thanks for the info.

    A few weeks ago, they had a survey on the seats, and they had a lot of questions on the location of bus stop you take, if you take the bus to and from work, if you had any other form of transportation, etc. I know that they want info, but if they're starting to track where we go, then I'm walking from Waipahu to Honolulu; I don't want to have big brother following me where I go.

    And if those "new bus passes" are real, what about those who pay cash? And what about those who has other people get their bus passes? (my Mom and uncle sometimes get my 'pass when they're coming home from work) how'll they'll "refill" my pass? (I know that this is just speculation, but atleast they should have told us something.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon
    What I want to know is, just how much information is on these cards? Will there now be a way to track, down to the individual rider, how often he or she rides the bus, and on what routes? The truly paranoid will pay cash, I guess.
    It depends. If they're like the San Francisco BART and Washington DC Metro cards, just disposable paper cardstock with a magnetic strip on 'em, then they're probably anonymous as they are meant to be used and eventually thrown away. If they're thick plastic, like credit cards, then I dunno.

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    In NYC(and other cities as well I think) we have what's called an E-Trac card, it's an actual debit card with a MasterCard logo and can only be used at the NYCT(et al) vending machines to buy the actual pass(MetroCard). The money gets taken out of my paycheck before taxes.

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    Saturday's Star-Bulletin had a shamelessly glowing story on the new buses, as well as a sidebar that included more details on the new payment cards.

    My wife and I saw the eTransit making the rounds in town yesterday. Have I mentioned that they're ugly?

    Also noticed... Mayor Harris back to his old form, putting himself front and center in a "public service" television ad promoting the new bus. Notably, as the ad closes, the logos of the bus manufacturers are slipped in... cha-ching!

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    They are indeed ugly and I just don't see the point. There are PLENTY of buses running between Waikiki and Ala Moana already .... and how many people want to go from Waikiki to Aala Park?!

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    It's been years since I rode TheBus. I was poking around at TheBus.org and only just now discovered that one-way adult fares are up to $2.00 these days. Auwē, I'm getting old - I can remember when it was a dime for kids and a quarter for grownups! But $2.00 one way? That seems like a lot. How does that compare to other cities' bus fares?

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    It's the same as NYC- $2 for a bus/subway ride. The monthly passes are much cheaper in Honolulu though- a monthly unlimited ride MetroCard costs $70/month and there is talk of it being raised this year, though the base fare will remain the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert
    They are indeed ugly and I just don't see the point. There are PLENTY of buses running between Waikiki and Ala Moana already .... and how many people want to go from Waikiki to Aala Park?!
    Why are they running at 6:45am in the morning?

    I seen two Route E buses on my way to school, and they're empty!
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    Quote Originally Posted by adri1456
    Why are they running at 6:45am in the morning?

    I seen two Route E buses on my way to school, and they're empty!
    Two suggestions: first, give it time.
    Second, the occasional near-empty bus is going to happen if frequency is a priority. I know you're a bus-rider, so you know that sometimes two buses will pass a stop, nearly empty, with nobody waiting, and immediately after, twelve people will walk up to the stop in the space of thirty seconds. If you're shooting for efficiency, you're talking about a lot of packed buses. If you're shooting for convenience and comfort, you're talking about a few nearly-empty ones. It's a fair trade. I ride the 2 from Kalihi into town, and because of the frequency, I know that if I just miss a bus, it's not something I need to stress about; there will be another one soon. I also know that I never have to run for a bus. This takes a lot of the stress out of the commute, and it's one of the things I most appreciate about the bus system, especially during peak hours.
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    Either they're running out of High-Capacity buses for Route 42, or the Route E buses aren't getting used that much.

    I just came off a Route 42 bus that was using the eTransit bus (some people looked at the bus and thought that it was going somewhere else).

    First of all, I liked how the acceleration felt: I was thrown back into my seat when the bus accelerated from the bus stop. The bus was quieter, but since I was sitting in the rear the whole time, all I could here was the loud fans of the AC.
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    This new E bus has me stumped. Why does it go down Kalakaua? Most tourists are in walking distance to begin with. I read the new Mayor is going to use them where they are needed more. I assume that "E" stands for Express, so they simply skipped D. You know, like our football team. I made use of this bus just by chance the other day. A viviting friend and I were near Kapiolani Park and knew E was coming down Kalakaua now so we started walking. there was no Bus stop until we got near the Police Station. My friend asked the driver how many stops there are on Kalakaua and he said that this was the only one???

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    Today one of the new, $750,000 E Transit busses was sitting at the Ala Moana Blvd. bus stop broken. For several hours. One of those bus maintenance vehicles was behind the disabled bus and the engine compartment of the $750,000 bus was open with someone in there tinkering with it. I guess they needed to get it started. Saw this on my late afternoon walk to and from Ala Moana Park. I hope these things have a warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheik yerfani
    I assume that "E" stands for Express, so they simply skipped D.
    I think the "E" would stand for Electric since the buses that they are using are Diesel/Electric hybrids.

    Or maybe the "D" route is something that is planned for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mel
    Today one of the new, $750,000 E Transit busses was sitting at the Ala Moana Blvd. bus stop broken. For several hours. One of those bus maintenance vehicles was behind the disabled bus and the engine compartment of the $750,000 bus was open with someone in there tinkering with it. I guess they needed to get it started. Saw this on my late afternoon walk to and from Ala Moana Park. I hope these things have a warranty.
    For that much money, it better come with an onboard mechanic that will jump out and fix that thing!
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