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  • #46
    Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

    Won't happen with Lingle in, but after that, when the economy is fully tanked, the concept may garner much more support. Especially if it goes to a public vote.
    I'm in.
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    • #47
      Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

      Originally posted by timkona View Post
      And anybody who says they are AGAINST gambling in Hawaii simply has no clue whatsoever about the extent of gambling in Hawaii. When you find those folks, one thing is for certain, you can safely presume that they are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
      Perhaps. But when it comes to the lawmakers who decide these things, it's not because of ignorance, Tim. Actually, it's because of the VIP treatment that those folks receive whenever they're in Vega$ and happen to be staying at Sam Boyd's, Fremont, or Main Street. Give locals the option of getting their slot machine or blackjack fix in the islands, and those casinos will all be in a world of hurt.
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      • #48
        Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

        Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
        Give locals the option of getting their slot machine or blackjack fix in the islands, and those casinos will all be in a world of hurt.
        Quite possible. Because then it's no longer special. The locals will have to find some other place to "get away" to. I don't think driving down to Waikiki to gamble would be the same.

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        • #49
          Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

          I disagree. Though, the same argument was used when Florida got its casino boats - "Now Floridians won't drive up the coast to Atlantic City. Oh, no! Lost revenue!". And the same was said when California got Indian casinos - "Now Californians won't fly to Las Vegas. Oh no! Lost revenue!"

          Well, guess what. Atlantic City and Las Vegas are still raking in wads of cash every year, cuz there's no place in the US that comes even close to the experience at these 2 gambling meccas. LV and AC will always be special.
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          • #50
            Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

            Originally posted by GeckoGeek View Post
            Quite possible. Because then it's no longer special. The locals will have to find some other place to "get away" to. I don't think driving down to Waikiki to gamble would be the same.
            Vegas & Reno started as resort destinations, especially for people establishing residency before getting a divorce. So the towns could look forward to plenty of revenue during their gambling stay.

            Atlantic City was a pure day trip. Locals would hit the casinos and the freebies. About the only revenue shared throughout the neighborhood was parking tickets and drunk/disorderly citations...

            Not hard to see which model would apply to Waikiki, and I can't imagine why the local businesses would support it.
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            • #51
              Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

              Originally posted by turtlegirl View Post
              I disagree. Though, the same argument was used when Florida got its casino boats - "Now Floridians won't drive up the coast to Atlantic City. Oh, no! Lost revenue!". And the same was said when California got Indian casinos - "Now Californians won't fly to Las Vegas. Oh no! Lost revenue!"

              Well, guess what. Atlantic City and Las Vegas are still raking in wads of cash every year, cuz there's no place in the US that comes even close to the experience at these 2 gambling meccas. LV and AC will always be special.
              I have 2 comments:

              1) Yes, Las Vegas is still a premier resort destination. It is still "special." But you totally neglect to mention what makes it still special.

              Vegas has undergone huge changes since other cities legalized casinos. Prior to the 1980s, LV pretty much offered just gaming and shows that were targeted at an adult audience. But now, there's more family-friendly entertainment, theme parks, huge premium outlet malls, sporting events (championship boxing, a speedway that can host Indy and NASCAR events), and so much more.

              My point here is that Vegas has stayed at the top,..... but they've had to diversify and adapt to the times. It is not merely living off its history and past glory. Far from it!

              2) The experience of Atlantic City actually makes a strong case for Hawaii to legalize gambling. AC was a leading resort destination going back to the 1800s, and for over a century, casinos were not a part of the attraction. Instead, the area was blessed with resources based on its proximity to the ocean. There were the beaches, the boardwalk, amusement parks, vaudeville entertainment, and the site of the Miss America pageant (until a few years ago when it was moved to, you guessed it, LV. Remember what I said about diversifying?) The only legalized gambling that took place was at the horse racing track.

              Starting in about the 1960s, AC (as well as Coney Island) began to decline as a visitor attraction as the west coast and Florida became America's favorite playgrounds. To prop up AC's sagging tourism, casinos were legalized in the mid-1970s,..... and the rest as they say, is history.

              Like AC, Hawaii has resources that make it a unique destination. But in this day and age of stiff competition from other tropical locales, our beautiful beaches, sunny climate, golf courses and Polynesian culture alone aren't enough. Like LV and AC, we need to diversify and offer other attractions. And gambling would have to be in the mix.
              Last edited by Frankie's Market; December 18, 2008, 10:11 AM.
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              • #52
                Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

                Hmmm...gambling in Hawaii?

                It exists if you know where to go and know someone who can take you in. Get ukapila places. Craps, card games, majong, football, etc. If dey say no moa, dey lying. There's Big Money in Gambling and DRUGS. Protection is key and it's being paid.

                Ok. I've said too much foa now.

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                • #53
                  Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

                  One thing I would like to see if possible is if gambling should ever arrive in the islands, I'd love to see a venue or two that could accommodate some top name entertainment in Waikiki where entertainers could do several concert engagements, locals and tourists could enjoy these shows and give an alternative to the gambling at these venues.

                  But some might say just build a large venue just to accommodate concerts and to heck with the gambling. But this is how it might get built with casino money.

                  Aj

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                  • #54
                    Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

                    You can bet that there is Gambling in Hawaii, but it's either done by individuals (legally, you can gamble among friends as long as there is no "house" controlling the gambling and payoffs), or it's being done illegally (run by gambling 'joints' or 'houses' where the house makes a profit off the top.

                    Either way, the State of Hawaii LOSES! It gets no profit, payoff or taxes from the kind of gambling going on.

                    I am told Nevada has neither sales tax or income tax. Ever wonder why??? Wonder why we are so heavily taxed?

                    A State lottery would not kill Hawaii; it would take some of the money out of the pockets of drug-dealing criminals and route it to the State. Who do you think is against gambling in Hawaii???

                    1) Organized crime, and those politicians who are in the pockets of organized crime. But that's not all!

                    2) Organized religion, very strong and influential in Hawaii has long repressed the will of the people to have a State-run lottery.

                    This is called 'government of, by and for the special interests.'

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                    • #55
                      Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

                      hi this is sansei and their is a true reason many year's ago when they wanted to pass a legal law on bringing shipboard gambling only it wasnt passed is that due to criminal's and other's who wish to come here and gamble and make the people who live here give up their saving's and gamble and it would be the same for horseracing and other's such as these and this is all true.

                      this is why they wouldnt pass a law on shipboard gambling and other's when i was young and i saw it all on the news.


                      Well thank's for your time

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                      • #56
                        Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

                        Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post

                        2) The experience of Atlantic City actually makes a strong case for Hawaii to legalize gambling. AC was a leading resort destination going back to the 1800s, and for over a century, casinos were not a part of the attraction. Instead, the area was blessed with resources based on its proximity to the ocean. There were the beaches, the boardwalk, amusement parks, vaudeville entertainment, and the site of the Miss America pageant (until a few years ago when it was moved to, you guessed it, LV. Remember what I said about diversifying?) The only legalized gambling that took place was at the horse racing track.

                        Starting in about the 1960s, AC (as well as Coney Island) began to decline as a visitor attraction as the west coast and Florida became America's favorite playgrounds. To prop up AC's sagging tourism, casinos were legalized in the mid-1970s,..... and the rest as they say, is history.
                        I have to speak about this, having lived it. I have talked a bit about it before but I think I need to clarify a few things on this topic. Yes, gambling was legalized to prop up AC's sagging tourism. In fact, it was a last ditch effort to save Atlantic City. No one would go near the place. The tourism had gone "down beach" as they say. On that whole peninsula at the end of New Jersey primarily had its population on the barrier islands all the way down to Cape May. It was truly an awesome place to grow up, Atlantic City not withstanding.

                        The argument for legalization was that it would bring prosperity and that golden carrot known as year-round jobs (something rare in South Jersey) to the area as a whole. There were promises and more promises about all the good gambling would bring. Well, none of them panned out. What it did do was to attract a completely different kind of visitor. Lots of them to Atlantic City. The casinos were raking it in. However, the state and the mob were in cahoots and the people who had lived there for generations saw nothing except their way of life disappear. Oh wait, we saw an influx of mob, criminals, hookers, drug addicts......... and this affected not only Atlantic City, but extended down toward Cape May. And what money didn't line the pockets of criminals and politicians went to North Jersey (as different from say, Alaska is to Hawaii) The bottom line is, the only ones who prospered from gambling were the casino owners and those whose pockets they lined.

                        Originally posted by Kaonohi View Post

                        A State lottery would not kill Hawaii; it would take some of the money out of the pockets of drug-dealing criminals and route it to the State. Who do you think is against gambling in Hawaii???

                        1) Organized crime, and those politicians who are in the pockets of organized crime. But that's not all!
                        Don't go by Atlantic City's example. Legalization started a mob war. New York vs. South Phillie. I believe the South Phillie mob was pretty much wiped out. Massacre on Cherry St. I think the dubbed it. The state and town politicians were just as bad. I think they indicted an entire town (mayor etc.) once not so long ago. Pleasantville was the town, I believe.

                        Maybe Hawaii could learn from the mistakes that were made in Atlantic City. I'd hate to see Hawaii turn into another Atlantic City

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                        • #57
                          Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

                          Originally posted by Kalihiboy View Post
                          One thing I would like to see if possible is if gambling should ever arrive in the islands, I'd love to see a venue or two that could accommodate some top name entertainment in Waikiki where entertainers could do several concert engagements, locals and tourists could enjoy these shows and give an alternative to the gambling at these venues.
                          We already have the venue -- the massively underused Convention Center! It's in the perfect location, on the edge of Waikiki but easily accessible to the 'locals' as well. And it would turn a money-losing white elephant into a money maker, sending tons of buck$ into the city coffers.
                          I haven't decided if I'm for or against gambling here, but... the convention center is the perfect place for it.
                          I think I would be amenable to a lottery, as long as the profits go to schools and charitable causes.
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                          • #58
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                            Originally posted by acousticlady View Post
                            Oh wait, we saw an influx of mob, criminals, hookers, drug addicts.
                            Interesting viewpoint you bring to the discussion. I just had to say, though.... we don't have legalized gambling in Hawaii as yet. That fact hasn't shielded our state from petty/organized crime, prostitution, and drug addiction, has it? Maybe not on the scale of AC, but it's there in the islands. Don't kid yourself otherwise. Spend a Friday and Saturday night on the sidewalks of Kuhio Avenue and your eyes will be opened up to reality.
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                            • #59
                              Re: Gambling in Hawaii?

                              Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
                              Interesting viewpoint you bring to the discussion. I just had to say, though.... we don't have legalized gambling in Hawaii as yet. That fact hasn't shielded our state from petty/organized crime, prostitution, and drug addiction, has it? Maybe not on the scale of AC, but it's there in the islands. Don't kid yourself otherwise. Spend a Friday and Saturday night on the sidewalks of Kuhio Avenue and your eyes will be opened up to reality.
                              Oh to be sure, I agree it already exists. Just as it did in South Jersey. But, it wasn't as prevalent or as overt. I think there was a period in the 80's that would have made Tony Soprano blush.

                              I think the lottery would actually be a good thing as long as it is well managed. But I would be very careful of full scale legal gambling.

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                              • #60
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                                Originally posted by LikaNui View Post
                                We already have the venue -- the massively underused Convention Center! It's in the perfect location, on the edge of Waikiki but easily accessible to the 'locals' as well. And it would turn a money-losing white elephant into a money maker, sending tons of buck$ into the city coffers. I haven't decided if I'm for or against gambling here, but... the convention center is the perfect place for it.
                                I think I would be amenable to a lottery, as long as the profits go to schools and charitable causes.
                                I know Paul Anka, Michael McDonald and many others have held private concerts at the Convention Center for various conventions brought in from the mainland. I don't know the seating capacity of the convention center, heck I only go when I have to pick up my Honolulu Marathon race packet. But this is a good idea.

                                Before casino gambling, a state lottery should be introduced first, Have a large chunk go to education and other good causes, bring it to a ballot issue (I would not be surprised if this comes up as a big topic for the next Governor) and let the people decide.

                                Aj

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