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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stwahine
    Hawaii is the capital of Meth. It has found its way into our neighborhoods.

    (from the thread moving to oahu. need advice.)
    Interestingly, lots of places say they're the meth capital of the world. I don't want to joke (too much) about a killer drug like meth, but they can't all be right...

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    Hi Glen! Thanks for the Link. I read. I disagree. I'm not proud to say that Hawai'i is the Mecca for Ice. For me it is. Perhaps it's because our population is a big difference from the cities that were listed. Our islands have been hit really bad. There is no one who can honestly say they have not been affected by meth. It has hit our neighborhoods. All islands have had their share in it's devastation. It does not have pity nor target any one social class. Once used, you become an addict.

    Those that deny there is a problem are fooling themselves. It is the worst drug known today. I truly believe that a user can not rehabilitate on their own. Intervention is the key and education mandatory for our future generation. I have lost someone very dear. He does not want the help and denies there's a problem...many of them do.

    Take a look around your neighborhood. Take a drive to the supermarket and "see" those who are extra skinny, with toothless or decayed teeth, eyes bulging out and can't keep still. There are other signs but I've made my point.

    Hawai'i is unfortunately, the City of Crystal Methamphetamine.

    Get involve and fight back in your communities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stwahine
    Hi Glen! Thanks for the Link. I read. I disagree. I'm not proud to say that Hawai'i is the Mecca for Ice. For me it is. Perhaps it's because our population is a big difference from the cities that were listed. Our islands have been hit really bad. There is no one who can honestly say they have not been affected by meth. It has hit our neighborhoods. All islands have had their share in it's devastation. It does not have pity nor target any one social class. Once used, you become an addict.

    Those that deny there is a problem are fooling themselves. It is the worst drug known today. I truly believe that a user can not rehabilitate on their own. Intervention is the key and education mandatory for our future generation. I have lost someone very dear. He does not want the help and denies there's a problem...many of them do.

    Take a look around your neighborhood. Take a drive to the supermarket and "see" those who are extra skinny, with toothless or decayed teeth, eyes bulging out and can't keep still. There are other signs but I've made my point.

    Hawai'i is unfortunately, the City of Crystal Methamphetamine.

    Get involve and fight back in your communities.
    I think Hawai'i just might have more people impacted by ice than other cities like San Diego because there is a smaller population in Hawai'i. So per capita, there are probably more people affected (including families) than anywhere else. The cost to society is horrible. If you ever have a chance to rent or buy a house or apartment or condo for REALLY cheap, better find out if it was once used as a meth lab, because even after a former drug lab has been decontaminated, people can still suffer from health issues brought on by the toxic chemicals used to cook ice.

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    Glen put up this thread earlier in the day. It reflects how society is thinking about not saying or trying to convey something to combat this menace of Society. Is there anybody out there who can give some input on how "you" feel regarding "Meth" in Hawai'i?

    We need solutions.
    What better way to get feedback than by those who live and want our islands to be rid of this devastating illegal drug...all illegal drugs for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Miyashiro
    Interestingly, lots of places say they're the meth capital of the world. I don't want to joke (too much) about a killer drug like meth, but they can't all be right...
    Yeah, that always gets me too. Everywhere and everyone from everywhere wants to say their state/area/etc is the meth capital.. I don't get it.. Californians claim it.. Oregonians claim it.. Hawaiians claim it.

    My first gut reaction is it probably most definietely belongs to California (that being said, I wouldn't doubt that MANY other places have a similar chronic problem!) - but Meth Capital! C'mon.. only one.. and California seems the most highly suspect.

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    The debate about which place is the worst seems rather irrelevant.

    There's no question at all, though, that "batu" is widely and relatively cheaply available on Oahu and almost every man I know under the age of 35 uses it, some on a daily basis, some now and then.

    I'm lucky. I tried the stuff and it doesn't really appeal to me, unlike the old pharmaceutical version of methampetamine which I loved. Probably still would, if I could get some.

    Because of that experience I have much sympathy for those who are in love with the glass pipe, although I'm deeply saddened to see some young men who are so totally in its grip that they are very unlikely to see the age of forty.

    I do think it's extremely unfortunate that pakololo has been made so difficult to obtain. It's a much better drug than crystal meth, probably even better than alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert
    The debate about which place is the worst seems rather irrelevant.

    There's no question at all, though, that "batu" is widely and relatively cheaply available on Oahu and almost every man I know under the age of 35 uses it, some on a daily basis, some now and then.

    I'm lucky. I tried the stuff and it doesn't really appeal to me, unlike the old pharmaceutical version of methampetamine which I loved. Probably still would, if I could get some.

    Because of that experience I have much sympathy for those who are in love with the glass pipe, although I'm deeply saddened to see some young men who are so totally in its grip that they are very unlikely to see the age of forty.

    I do think it's extremely unfortunate that pakololo has been made so difficult to obtain. It's a much better drug than crystal meth, probably even better than alcohol.
    Applause! Applause! Albert, thank you for saying it like it is! Takes guts to have said it so truthfully...however, I'll stick to my alcohol binges once or twice a month. Ok, three times a month. LOL

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    While stuck in traffic today, I was listening to the radio about this very topic. From what I remember, the discussion was about a particular state, I think it was Oklahoma, that now requires a doctor's perscription for Sudafed, which is an over-the-counter decongestant that contains one of the active ingredients in crystal meth. Supposedly, this restriction has helped curbed some of the crystal meth issues in the state.

    Do you think this would help derail the meth issues in Hawaii?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 808_m3
    While stuck in traffic today, I was listening to the radio about this very topic. From what I remember, the discussion was about a particular state, I think it was Oklahoma, that now requires a doctor's perscription for Sudafed, which is an over-the-counter decongestant that contains one of the active ingredients in crystal meth. Supposedly, this restriction has helped curbed some of the crystal meth issues in the state.

    Do you think this would help derail the meth issues in Hawaii?
    Anything what other States are doing to combat the problem and seeing results is good enough to be looked into. I believe Hawaii has already started similar rules and regulations in the distribution and purchasing of medications and other chemicals used in the process of crystal meth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 808_m3
    While stuck in traffic today, I was listening to the radio about this very topic. From what I remember, the discussion was about a particular state, I think it was Oklahoma, that now requires a doctor's perscription for Sudafed, which is an over-the-counter decongestant that contains one of the active ingredients in crystal meth. Supposedly, this restriction has helped curbed some of the crystal meth issues in the state.

    Do you think this would help derail the meth issues in Hawaii?
    If I was the maker of Sudafed, I would figure out a way to reformulate the cold pills to eliminate the pseudoephedrine completely. Then their market share wouldn't get so restricted. Cold pills like Contac don't have pseudoephedrine in them, so my guess is rather than go through the hassle of going to a doctor to get a prescription for what should be an OTC medicine, as a consumer (and not one who needed the pills for a different purpose than to stop a drippy nose), I would just switch to another brand of cold medicine, like Contac. And the makers of Sudafed and their shareholders would get very, very cranky. If I'm going to take the time and expense to go see a doctor for an Rx, gimme one that'll really clear up my congested head! Maybe something with a little codeine...

    Of course if the makers of Sudafed took pseudoephedrine out of their formulation, could they still call themselves Sudafed? Maybe "Sudafed Light"?

    Up here in WA, they've removed Sudafed from the open shelves and you have to prove you're over 18 and they only allow you to buy one package at a time. I suppose people could go from store to store trying to get enough Sudafed to cook with, but that would get really boring after a while.

    Miulang

    P.S. I remember when Contac first came out on the market and everybody got all freaked out because one of the ingredients was a belladonna compound. I can just picture some wannabe addict trying to figure out which colored eency little balls in each capsule were the belladona and which weren't!
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    Major DRUG BUST (CRYSTAL METH), in Hawaii today! According to reports by the police, nineteen were arrested. One, a Rancher on the Big Island. Meth was smuggled by cattle feed containers and inside of cars. It is a step into the right direction.

    Unfortunately, the same laws don't apply to the street dealers. Hopefully, someday soon it will. Our children and their children needs all our cooperation in fighting this problem!!!!!

    To the agencies that apprehended all those involved in this operation, mahalo!

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    albert wrote: I do think it's extremely unfortunate that pakololo has been made so difficult to obtain. It's a much better drug than crystal meth, probably even better than alcohol.

    don't wanna rub more people the wrong way, especially 1stlady since i understand where you're coming from, (and i haven't been following this thread so if i'm missing something that was already posted--sorry) but i feel the same way. i know the word "better" is a pretty loaded term (no pun intended) but i think it's safe to say that it's not anywhere as addictive as many of the other stuff, e.g. meth. not speaking for anyone but myself, smoking pakalolo used to be so much fun. of course, like anything else, it can be abused but that's true of so many things.

    i think it's odd/curious/interesting how our society paints pakalolo as some evil gateway drug and yet alcohol flows like a river everywhere we look and we know what kind of impact that has had on so many millions of lives. just my two cents.

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    dayum... thatss da solution for erryting at hand; take a way our beer and replace it wit da spleef at da football games!

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    Heh everyone. I was just reading all the posts on "Ice" and the problems. Being from Hawaii and still in Hawaii, I can truly say that there is a problem with the locals using "Ice". For many reasons, locals are using and selling "Ice" in the neighborhoods.

    The biggest problem about this drug is not the users, sellers or even makers. It is the kids. I know a lot of families with kids involved in this epidemic. It is an epidemic with no end in sight.

    Want to know how you can help? Stand up and do some interventing. Use what God gave you and say something. I know I have. No matter if I know the user, seller or even maker, I have spoken up. Why you might say? For the kids and their futures. You might want to give up your life, but they shouldn't have to suffer along.

    To me that is the biggest problem. One voice can make a difference as long as it goes in the right direction. Start something and good things will follow.

    God Bless You All...There still is hope!

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    Drug addict for 10yrs (meth and grass being my fav) and sober for 8yrs the 12 steps of AA saved my ass.If you have a problem or would like to understand someone who does the big book of alchoholics anonymous can be a great help.AA forums could come in handy as well.Oh and hooked on meth or hooked on alchohol are the same desease
    Is pakalolo the hawaiin name for pot? That would be a sad thing to hear thats it's hard to get since it grows so wonderfully in your climate.I would rather see a bunch of slackers with the munchies than the skinny paranoid meth users.

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    Congrats on your sobriety, Fondoo. That's a very notable achievement. From everything I've read, weaning off ice is one of the hardest and most painful to endure.

    Today's Star Bulletin had a report from the State that disclosed that almost 2% of people who were randomly selected to be tested for drugs tested positive for ice use. Many of those people who tested positive were applying for jobs. They were told up front they would be tested, and yet they still applied.

    "...Nearly two out of every 100 people who undergo pre-employment and random workplace drug screening in Hawaii test positive for crystal methamphetamine, or "ice," the state's largest drug testing laboratory has found.

    Of the 9,419 prospective and current employees screened by Diagnostic Laboratory Services in the first three months of this year, 179, or 1.9 percent, tested positive for ice. In the previous 12 months, 1.8 percent tested positive.

    "...One of the trends he noted is a more-than-doubling in the detection of opiate drugs to 0.7 percent this year from 0.3 percent last year. State administrative rules allow drug testing laboratories to confirm whether the detected opiate is morphine or codeine, but not for prescription drugs like oxycontin and vicodin, whose use is on the rise, Linden said.

    Marijuana usage ranks highest in Hawaii at 2.4 percent, while cocaine use, at 0.5 percent, remains low...."

    Miulang

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    Thx M but I was lucky and was able to open myself to the 12 steps it had nothing to do with personel willpower or anything like that,I had tride beating it myself for over 7 yrs,in my case the 12 steps allowed me to let god fix it and I just stayed out of the way he he
    Hey Muilang was it you I read that had 4yrs as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondoo
    Thx M but I was lucky and was able to open myself to the 12 steps it had nothing to do with personel willpower or anything like that,I had tride beating it myself for over 7 yrs,in my case the 12 steps allowed me to let god fix it and I just stayed out of the way he he
    Hey Muilang was it you I read that had 4yrs as well?
    Nope. That was my internet Tita, Auntie Lynn. I tried coke once and all it did was tickle my nose! Never had the desire to dabble in anything more serious than weed or a few hits of acid when I was younger and stupider. Now, of course, there's only the very occasional glass of wine from my winery, shot of single malt Scotch neat or Campari and soda with a twist (oh yeah, when I'm in a festive mood, I'll have a Kir Royale or a Bellini). Don't need any of those mood enhancers anymore.

    Miulang

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    "my winery"... hmmm. knew i knew ya for a reason!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimo55
    "my winery"... hmmm. knew i knew ya for a reason!
    I own a very eeency share of one of the smaller wineries up here. But it's enough to get me discounts on the stuff we sell, so that's a good enough reason for me! We just bought out another small WA winery, Glen Fiona, which bottles some of the best Syrah I have ever tasted.

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    Good afternoon all! Yep, it'll be four years clean from the ravages of cocaine! I never did like grass, didn't do anything for me. "ICE" took away so much friends and family. I've seen and lived the life of which it brings...pain, hurt, suffering, domestic abuse and death.

    I still party. My party nowdays is much different than before. I prefer drinking. I am not saying it's better. It is still considered a drug. I fight, struggle and face my Demons everyday. I will always be a Recovering ADDICT!

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    1stwahine fellow druggie soul sister! I'm only saying this cause I love you as one of "us" but you probobly shouldn't use the word recovering till you stop using mind altering drugs.Maybe your not an addict but found drugs are not for you?Then you can drink without suffering,but if you really are an addict then the booze will turn on you and you know the rest of the story.You may never even increase the amount you are drinking now but just stunt the spiritual growth of recovery we need to have healthy whole lives.Like you I will always have my demons but every year they take up less and less mental real estate.
    I liked what a speaker once said that he didn't go thru all he did in recovery to stay sick all his life so he considers himself recovered not recovering.He he since there is a small voice in my head telling me maybe I could smoke a little good Hawwiian grass or drink socialy when I move there and it would be ok I'm still "recovering"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondoo

    He he since there is a small voice in my head telling me maybe I could smoke a little good Hawwiian grass or drink socialy when I move there and it would be ok I'm still "recovering"
    That small voice is, "cunning, baffling, and powerful." Remember?

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    ya and sooooo patient!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondoo
    ya and sooooo patient!
    aaahhhh....Fondoo! Come visit me in my little domain on the internet...there you will find the struggles and my fight to stay in the realm of things. Most of the time, I am beyond reality, see many things that many do not see and hear.

    I "enjoy" my nights out vs every night of booze and drugs. Now it's down 1-2 per month. I know the drug that almost destroyed me, will never grip me again. Funny, I don't remember how it tasted. I remember it making me scared.

    Prior to changing the last time, I went countless of meetings and thru three sponsors. Trying to quit many years of use and abuse. I was one of the many who keep coming back but never grasp what is being said. You see, unfortunately, I suffer from another disease that prevents me to accept like the normal person does for a complete recovery.

    The Program works. I know many who have their lives for it too.

    I thank God that I have made it this far. I thank God that I have accepted my life. And for now Dear Fondoo, I have another challenge in which my two internet brothers started me off last week...quitting cigarrette smoking! Mahalo Baline and Lurkah -- it's getting better.

    What a lovely day it is!

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