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  • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

    Originally posted by LikaNui View Post
    ATM has been one of the worst (if not the worst) places for many many years, with tenant rates so high that it's a constant revolving door.
    Actually, the very worst place for retail is here.

    If Aloha Tower was a "revolving door," then Dole Cannery was D.O.A.

    Originally posted by LikaNui View Post
    In addition to outrageous rates, add in problems with parking and marketing that have been going on for many years.
    More to the point,.... Aloha Tower was heavily dependant on cruiseship passengers and Japan Travel Bureau clients for foot traffic. The departure of JTB's trolley station for Ala Moana Center, the bankruptcy of American Classic Voyages, and the reduction of Norweigian Cruise Line's fleet,... it doesn't take an MBA from Harvard to realize that all these developments spelled disaster for the marketplace and its tenants.
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    • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

      Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
      More to the point,.... Aloha Tower was heavily dependant on cruiseship passengers and Japan Travel Bureau clients for foot traffic.
      Something I read some months back is that ATM was depending on adjoining development for parking - the development never happened.

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      • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

        Kind of off topic, but;

        I wonder if gambling could have saved those NCL cruises? More than one passenger was surprised and disappointed to find out there were no casinos.

        Heard the ships they pulled out of here went to Florida and immediately had casinos installed.

        The missionaries are smiling down! No casinos here.

        Copied this off of Wikipedia;


        When the ship was refitted for service as Pride of Aloha, a Hawaiian theme was adapted for the decorations of all public areas and cabins. At the same time she received hull art consisting of colorful Hawaiian leis.

        Prior to being rechristened, the Pride of Aloha was not allowed to have a casino given the fact that it was mainly in US waters. Instead of a casino, the ship had the Kumu Cultural Center. This focused on 3 main themes - Everyday life in Ancient Hawai`i, the Hawaiian Kingdom and Contemporary Hawai'i.
        Last edited by Fritz; July 15, 2011, 09:18 AM.
        You can apply any terms to any situation to suit your perspective.

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        • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

          Originally posted by Fritz View Post
          Kind of off topic, but;

          I wonder if gambling could have saved those NCL cruises? More than one passenger was surprised and disappointed to find out there were no casinos.

          Heard the ships they pulled out of here went to Florida and immediately had casinos installed.
          Oh, no question. Shipboard gaming can only help (not hurt) the cruise industry, the tenants at ATM, and of course, provide a much needed boost for the state's depleted tax coffers.

          Originally posted by Fritz View Post
          The missionaries are smiling down! No casinos here.
          I'm not so sure about that. Smiling up, maybe? Some of those missionaries stole a lot of land while they were alive, y'know.

          In the meantime, the prospective buyer for the ATM receives preliminary approval from the state to proceed with its plan.

          KITVhttp://www.kitv.com/video/28542856/detail.html

          Few details about the redevelopment were divulged, although venders and others close to the talks say there will be a major effort to try and attract local residents to the area and to find a solution to the limited parking. Some say the long term marketplace potential is how it might dovetail with the city's rail plans.
          I don't know if there's much that can be done about the parking, seeing as there's no place to build a parking garage. Irwin Park has already been ruled out. Even if you can find a location to build an above or underground parking garage, I can't imagine such a lot being free, for obvious reasons. Locals hate paying for parking when they go out for a night on the town. Even 90-120 minute validations from the restaurants make them hesistant, when they can park with far fewer restrictions at places like Ala Moana and Ward Centre.

          And even if the rail gets built, it remains to be seen if an appreciable number of locals will use that system at night. Judging by TheBus' ridership during the evening hours, I wouldn't hold my breath expecting a whole bunch of locals hopping on the rail to go out for a family dinner at Aloha Tower.

          No, the new buyer of ATM had better concentrate on attracting the tourist market.
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          • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

            Here is an article that outlines some of ATM's history. If I understand it correctly, the ATM was part of a bigger plan that never worked out. That failure (which included parking) could well be blamed for ATM's current problems.

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            • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

              According to Erika's breaking news at this link, Lucy's Grill & Bar in Kailua is closing tonight.
              I've eaten there a few times. Food was okay, but it was the noisiest restaurant I've ever eaten in. After the first time inside, I always tried to eat outside on the front lanai.
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              That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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              • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

                For those who eat downtown, the renovation of the Tardus Financial Plaza building is likely to close a number of the vendors. Lee & Li has been one of my favorite places. I wonder if they've found a new place.

                Buddhist center displaces downtown eateries

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                • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

                  Originally posted by LikaNui View Post
                  According to Erika's breaking news at this link, Lucy's Grill & Bar in Kailua is closing tonight.
                  I've eaten there a few times. Food was okay, but it was the noisiest restaurant I've ever eaten in.
                  Their problem was, to quote Yogi Berra: It's so crowded, nobody goes there anymore.
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                  • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

                    Lee's Korean Bbq in Temple Valley Shopping Center is closed.

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                    • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

                      Something old. Another one bites the dust. Pee Wee Drive-In, at the corner of King and Punahou, is closed for good. A local landmark for almost 50 years, it was one of those “old school” plate lunch hole-in-the-wall. Wonder what’s going to take its place.
                      Last edited by Honoruru; April 23, 2012, 06:51 AM.

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                      • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

                        From Jim Dooley @ Hawaii Reporter. Shack Waikiki in trouble:

                        http://www.hawaiireporter.com/shack-...ng-closure/123

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                        • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

                          StarBulletin reports today: "Kakaako's waterfront will have a new look on Sept. 1 with the opening of a $16 million Mediterranean-style wedding venue marketed to Japanese couples on the site of the former John Dominis restaurant."
                          Now run along and play, but don’t get into trouble.

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                          • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

                            Sounds like sellout garbage, of no use to any Oahu resident, makes Anderson's silly fairgrounds seem positively brilliant.
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                            • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

                              And people wonder why the community of Haleiwa is protesting Anderson's purchase of the land in Haleiwa???????????? Because we don't want him to turn it into another John Dominis Playground for the rich.........

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                              • Re: Disappearing eating establishments

                                Another one bites the dust...
                                Adios Senor Frogs.

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