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    Thumbs up Ultimate Fighting & MMA

    I can't get enough of Ultimate Fighting.... I haven't ever paid for a ticket or pay per view... however, I think all of us guys are just loving this insurgence of Ultimate Fighting.

    Has anyone noticed how much coverage Spike TV has been giving time to Ultimate fighting?

    Today, they mentioned B.J. Penn out of Hilo.

    Also out of Hilo, Cabbage will be Fighting Butterbean in the next Rumble on the Rock.

    This new fad sure beats the scripted "Pro" Wrestling that has been around for sometime.

    And less yet... the sportsmanship between two people that have just beat the crap out of eachother just amazes me...

    Anyother thoughts on Ultimate Fighting?

    Some say it's violent... I say it's controlled and less violent than boxing.... I must say why for that matter.... An opponent is allowed to tap out...and that is not a disgrace... however in boxing...if an opponent were to quit..it would be a disgrace...therefore they continue to fight eachother until they have brain damage...Well at least in the long run....

    A standing 8 count allows a Boxer to retain his thoughts and stand up again so that his brain will be pummeled again... up to 3 times in one round less yet... compare that to Ultimate fighting....

    One Knockdown/Knockout/tap-out/etc...the ref steps in and the match is over.... much more technical and less luck with the lucky swing in my oppinion also.

    Thoughts???

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    yeah.. mixed martial arts is really fun. its sports at its rawest. on guam.... it got pretty big over the years. but , of course , its not on the same level as hawai'i.. guam has yet to produce a fighter to enter ufc or any other thing like that.. theres local mma tournaments like , pacific xtreme combat , and fury. its pretty cool. cabbage corriera fought manny chong. cabbage beat him by referee stoppage.

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    Default Next Hawaii TV star??? UFC's Kendall Grove from Maui

    Just noticed another local boy on Television

    Kendall Grove is a competitor on the next UFC reality show.

    Anyone got any scoops on him...

    and please use the spoiler tags.

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    Default Re: Next Hawaii TV star??? UFC's Kendall Grove from Maui

    Interesting quote from a Haole boy on the show...

    "Kendall is a crazy kid from Hawaii"

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    Kendall had a fight and represented Hawaii well by beating a fighter from the UK. Kendall was pretty impressive. I was surprised not at his win, but at how smart he fought. His opponent didn't know how to take kendall down. I think the UK fighter thought that Kendall would be scared out of his boots once he started punching and kicking. But much to his disappointment, it didn't affect Kendall at all.

    Nice Win!!

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    Default Re: Next Hawaii TV star??? UFC's Kendall Grove from Maui

    Kendall just won a fight against a guy from british columbia because he broke his ribs.i think that he is called spider for a reason and he really proved it thursday night during the fight.i also think that he is going to be hawaiis next star there is no way that anyone can beat his reach its 7.5''8 thats crazy.in the finals i think it is going to be him and ed.eds a crazy guy from britian.and kendall is the crazy hawaiian....so that will be very interesting....
    Either your mentally tough or, mentally weak, which one are you? i know what i am..........

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    I agree. Kendall has a long reach and I'm cheering him on this saturday. Ed Herman is a pure grappler. He doesn't have much in the stand up game. I think that's where Kendall needs to focus. Kendall has a decent stand up game to keep out of reach of his takedown attempts. I think Kendall also hits hard, not hard for a knock out, but hard enough that Ross and Kalib didn't want to strike with him long.

    I say lots of Kicks, Knees, Jabs and uppercuts will win this one for Kendall. If Ed gets on the ground, Kendall still has a decent ground game to stay alive. Go Kendall!!

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    Default Kendall Grove!

    Congratulations to local boy Kendall Grove!

    The Maui fighter just scored himself a 6-figure contract with the UFC, and the title of Ultimate Fighter. Kendall got the decision after 3 action-packed rounds in Las Vegas tonight.

    Way to represent the Aloha State and the Valley Isle!

    Plus, if you were following the show this season, Falaniko Vitale and Wesley "Cabbage" Correira got plenty of screen-time as well. Their huge posters were on the walls of the UFC training facility and were hard to miss.

    Exciting fight, too. If you missed it, look for a replay if possible.

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    Thumbs down Re: Kendall Grove!

    I don't like Boxing or any Contact Sport! I have my reasons.

    Many amateur and professional fighters past, present and future are only a punch away from death or major disability due to brain injury. Also, the contionous blows to the head makes them a primary candidate to brain diseases.

    "The American Association of Neurological Surgeons say that 90% of boxers sustain a brain injury."

    "Being hit on the head can cause fractures to the bone of the head and face and tissue damage in the brain. A blow can damage the surface of the brain, tear nerve networks, cause lesions, bleeding and sometimes produce large clots within the brain." http://menshealth.about.com/od/fitness/a/boxing.htm

    From http://www.parkinson.org/site/pp.asp...JLPwB&b=164717

    Boxing and The Brain

    "In his article Dr. Ira Casson a prominent New York neurologist and an expert on boxing discusses boxing and Parkinson disease. There's been much interest in this because of Muhammad Ali. The following can be said: It's uncertain if there's a relationship between Ali's Parkinson and boxing. Boxing when it causes brain damage results in an Alzheimer like disease This is not what Ali has. Ali's mind is sharp. It's rare for boxing to result in only Parkinson disease. And most boxers do not develop Alzheimer or Parkinson. George Foreman is on television doing a fine job selling his grill. And he fought longer and took more blows than Ali."

    Nope. No congratulations from me tonight or any other night to any Boxer from Hawai'i or anywhere else in the World.

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    shouldn't this have been merged with my first post before he won???

    Didn't Manoa call it before tonight?
    Quote Originally Posted by 1stwahine
    I don't like Boxing. I have my reasons.
    Auntie... ufc is not Boxing...it's Mixed Martial Arts...

    And the referee attempts to step in most of the time before brain damage can be inflicted....fyi

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    Quote Originally Posted by manoasurfer123
    Auntie... ufc is not Boxing...it's Mixed Martial Arts...

    And the referee attempts to step in most of the time before brain damage can be inflicted....fyi
    Manoa, the last I heard...Mixed Martial Arts is a Contact Sport! Making it the worse of the it's kind.

    Most of the time? Plzzzzzzzzz.

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    Default Re: Kendall Grove!

    Attaboy, Kendall! Loved seeing all the Hawaiian flags in his corner and in the crowd. The match was close, but I think the decision was right.
    The whole night was good. But now... waiting for July 8! If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on Tito Ortiz and Tim Silva. Whatcha think?
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    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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    "Da Spider" representing!!!!! Well done. Another redhead from Team Quest forced to reevaluate his game. I like Kendall's humility and the respect he showed after the fight. It looks like he is going be Tito's protege'. He has a playful side but he also has a deadly serious side. Nice balance.

    Auntie, they use 4 oz. gloves which at first seems barbaric but the damage is seen immediately (acutely) and not allowed to pile up which some say can be correlated to Parkinson's disease.

    Paul, where is BJ's picture? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stwahine
    Manoa, the last I heard...Mixed Martial Arts is a Contact Sport! Making it the worse of the it's kind.

    Most of the time? Plzzzzzzzzz.

    Auntie Lynn
    and knocking people out in Chinatown when they when irk you is any better?

    j/k

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stwahine
    Manoa, the last I heard...Mixed Martial Arts is a Contact Sport! Making it the worse of the it's kind. [...]
    Auntie...this is a testosterone laden thread. The guys love this stuff! <heeeyaaa...thump...whack!> Maybe LeiKaina can start a new thread about her birth experience <hehewho...hehewho> and post some baby photos <ho, da cute!>...for the estrogen-laden crowd!

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    Quote Originally Posted by manoasurfer123
    and knocking people out in Chinatown when they when irk you is any better?

    j/k
    Das a completely different situation. I knock out people as a Community Service! It doesn't go ten rounds either.

    Further more...I've have yet to be knocked out - by someone myself! The streets and ring are apples and oranges. One you get paid. The other you don't.

    For amateurs in both divisions it is a great risk. Like I always say, "I might be pUpUle but I not DUMB!"

    No sense in explaining why I dislike Boxing or any contact sport. It was already done in another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tutusue
    Auntie...this is a testosterone laden thread. The guys love this stuff! <heeeyaaa...thump...whack!> Maybe LeiKaina can start a new thread about her birth experience <hehewho...hehewho> and post some baby photos <ho, da cute!>...for the estrogen-laden crowd!
    oK. oK. I leave it alone.

    It just makes me angry and brings back too much memories. As you are aware...my late husband was a Former Boxing Champ. He died of Lou Gerigh's Disease at the age of forty-seven.

    I miss him so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stwahine
    [...]We were married 20 years. We would have made 30 years September 13, 2006.
    Great photos, Auntie. Thanks for sharing. I did realize you had a vested interest in this thread. I grew up with my dad watching Monday night boxing every week...he was a huge boxing fan. I had to give up 'I Love Lucy' in our one TV household! The 2 shows were on simultaneously. I've never understood boxing, super brawls, etc. Way too much physical destruction goes on. Just look at Mohammad Ali. But, still, the guys love it so no harm in them discussing it.

    BTW...my anniversary was also Sept. 13!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tutusue
    BTW...my anniversary was also Sept. 13!
    I knew there was something about you. It was ment the Tapa be given to you. It was a gift to my late husband and I.

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    Auntie;

    I understand now. No more MMA posts from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nachodaddy
    Auntie;

    I understand now. No more MMA posts from me.
    Nachodaddy, Like Tutusue said, "this is a testosterone laden thread." It is I, who is apologizing to you and the other gentlemen. My husband loved the sport as you all do.

    Please carry on.

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    We all choose our own paths to make a living or to make life better.

    Congradulations to 'Da Spyder' from Maui, Kendall Grove!! I was cheering him on. He should go far with Team Punishment. But, he needs to learn to use his size and his reach. Kendall's good on the ground, but going against someone who is just as good, and with no stand up, he could have had a more decisive victory.

    But it's a good win.

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    I stay on the mainland (Utah Specifically) and I was interested (spectator only) in mixed martial arts ever since I saw this skinny dude (Royce Gracie) take down Kimo. Little did I know that the skinny dude would start a trend of Ground fighting like Bruce Lee did with his Intercepting Fist.

    As to the morality of hand to hand combat, well, it's a choice that these fighters make and a lifestyle that they have accepted, risks and all. Fist and Kick fighting is very damaging, that's a fact. But, what also changes mixed martial arts is the submission fighting; which in my opinion is not nearly as damaging as a boxing contest (as mentioned in the previous post). The safety and health of the fighters in mixed martial arts falls on the Referee. Big John McCarthy, referee of the UFC, actually commented that in the early days of the UFC, he wished that he could stop fights to prevent long term or permanent injury to some of the fighters (http://www.knucklepit.com/mixed-mart..._mccarthy.htm). Now in Pride and UFC Mixed Martial Arts fighting the referees do stop the fight once the fighters are KO'd or doing the 'chicken dance.' Which I think is better then the REF counting to 10 and giving the boxer an opportunity to continue fighting. Once the dude is KO'd or dazed, the REF stops the fight to prevent further injury. That's what I like about MMA. I know fighters possess a 'no surrender' attitude, but there's always a next time to get that guy back. Anyways, that's my thoughts on the issue. So MMA to me is way safer (I know, this could be argued) than boxing.

    Now thoughts about MMA from a spectator view point. Every day I go to work, exercise, spend time with the wife and kids. Watching MMA (especially UFC) gives me an escape from myself and to enjoy 2 trained 'gladiators' of our day. I could never do that kind of stuff, but I like to watch it and I have get enjoyment from watching. Watching MMA also motivates me to stay on my diet program and exercise, since I have a tendency to overeat (thanks kanak attack -- nah, jus joke). In fact, MMA actually got me started on exercise and dieting. I lost 30 pounds in 2 to 3 months and am very pleased with the results. So, it's definitely an escape for me and a motivating factor for my life. When it’s over, I go back to my mild mannered self.

    Well, that's my thoughts. Thanks Manoa for the oppportunity to wala'au. What do u think about what I posted here? I'll be interested to hear your views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kealiinaauao
    ...I was interested (spectator only) in mixed martial arts ever since I saw this skinny dude (Royce Gracie) take down Kimo. Little did I know that the skinny dude would start a trend of Ground fighting like Bruce Lee did with his Intercepting Fist.
    Man, that was something. Felt bad for Kimo that day but it wasn't just Kimo that Gracie neutralized in those early UFC's. Nobody could handle him.
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    I'm still curious who you guys are picking for July 8.
    I say Tito will beat Ken Shamrock and Tim Silva will beat Arlovsky.
    Whatcha think?
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    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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