Rail Transit

[sinjin]

Re: Rail Transit

It seems hard to find someone NOT superstitious, and yet compromises are agreed to most everywhere, every day, in my experience. It is necessary to respect and protect yourself against the 'nonsense' of others, else they may reasonably reciprocate and not respect your 'nonsense' (you may replace the word 'nonsense' with 'beliefs', 'ignorance', 'evil' or 'rights', as it all amounts to the same idea). I can't imagine it's the person you won't take seriously, so I must guess you mean you won't take their belief [in a Goddess living in the volcano or being abducted by aliens] seriously. I suggest you take these persons very seriously - it's hard to imagine WHAT they might do.

You are of course correct. If one's position is predicated on "nonsense", then I really must dismiss their opinion, not their person or their conviction. Underestimating fanatics is ill-advised, especially post 9/11.

[sansei]

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hi this is sansei and i saw on tonight's news on panos p will run against our great mayor and with his thought's on wanting to put the rail on the ballot and with his thought's on how without rail should be,his idea's wouldnt make it and i would side with our mayor since we as a state waited 16- almost about 20 year's for rail and panos's idea wouldnt work. like i've shared what my eldest sister shared that toll would cost more and and like going underground wouldnt work since if say their was a tsunami or something,we'd all leave this earth so i thought to share my thought's on Panos's idea's.

Well thank's for your time

[salmoned]

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sansei, we, as a state, are NOT waiting for rail. We never have been waiting and, with a little bit of wisdom spread around, we never will be waiting for rail. No one disputes that this 'Rail Project' is not going to benefit Hawaii, Maui, Lanai, Molokai or Kauai. Any possible benefits [concerning traffic decongestion and transportation economy] would be highly conditioned on speculative changes in behavior for a large portion of the limited population that could take advantage of a rail system. Really, the only guaranteed 'winners' in a rail project are those involved in the construction and maintenance of it. Admittedly, this would require quite a large mercenary army (with a few generals making a fortune), but the money would come to better use if it remained in each of our [taxpayer] pockets.

If you want to spend more money on public transportation, give every C&C voter a free annual Bus pass. Then supply can be flexibly increased wherever demand is found and every voting taxpayer can potentially benefit (and all at a smaller cost).

[TuNnL]

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Even the possible benefits [concerning traffic decongestion and transportation economy] would be highly conditioned on speculative changes in behavior for a large portion of the limited population that could take advantage of a rail system. Really, the only guaranteed 'winners' in a rail project are those involved in the construction and maintenance of it. Admittedly, this may be quite an army, but the money would come to better use if it remained in each of our [Taxpayer] pockets.

That’s disputable. There are many people who would otherwise not be able to afford a car, being given the opportunity to purchase one with that money in their pocket. There are many people who haven’t paid their registration/insurance who will now be able to pay for it with that money in their pocket. There are many people who will use that money in their pocket to buy another car. There are many people who will use that money in their pocket to buy more gas and make more use of their car. And then there are people who will use that money in their pocket to purchase illegal drugs, alcohol, prostitution services, handguns and child porn.

If you’re going to criticize rail based on its proponents’ “speculation,” realize that you are also speculating.

[salmoned]

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TuNnl, all those things you mention ARE a better use, even if you can't see it, because it provides something that is wanted, needed and/or will be used FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE OWNERS. As well, any money spent on Rail that stays in the state may ALSO go to the uses you mention, just once or twice removed. By your reasoning, no one should be allowed to keep any money, because they may abuse it. No, your 'That's disputable' is indisputably false.

Yes, but MY speculation will not cost us billions of dollars. Therein lies the difference.

[sansei]

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hi this is sansei and i still appulad our great mayor and the newest faction of Go Rail Go and im glad their's an opponent for stop rail and im hoping this new faction will go against and stop the faction of stop rail now.i hope our governor who's thinking of signing the stop rail now ballot and put it on the ballot and that's not right is she i believe will be voted out of office.

well thank's for your time

[salmoned]

Re: Rail Transit

I just don't understand you, sansei, you're against the Superferry (which is a slam-dunk good thing for all of Hawaii) and for the Rail Project (which is a slam-dunk bad thing for Honolulu and perhaps, by extension, all of Hawaii). Now, you want to deify the mayor and vilify the governor, for what? Why won't you just admit your statement, "...since we as a state waited 16- almost about 20 year's for rail...", is completely wrong and wrong-minded? It seems to me you can't consider or imagine what might be good for us, as a state, or even for us, as individuals. Sorry if this offends you, your inane cheer-leading/slander seems just a bit much, at times.

[Random]

Re: Rail Transit

sansei, we, as a state, are NOT waiting for rail. We never have been waiting and, with a little bit of wisdom spread around, we never will be waiting for rail. No one disputes that this 'Rail Project' is not going to benefit Hawaii, Maui, Lanai, Molokai or Kauai.

The same could be said of the aging Aloha Stadium. What does improving the existing one or building a new stadium using state money from Molokai taxpayers benefit them?

Of course the same argument could be said of the State's social programs in Molokai by taxpayers in Hawaii Kai (Oahu).

I still think it's the Honolulu County's problem regarding rail transit. The Superferry would be okay if there is a near-future plan to include Molokai (and other non-cosmopolitan islands) into their route service.

[salmoned]

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Frankly, I'm surprised you think Molokai taxpayers are supporting anything other than just a portion of their own expenses (they aren't). So why pretend they might be supporting Aloha Stadium (and the University) just because the money comes from the state?

If Honolulu gets into financial difficulty due to Rail repercussions, the fallout will be seen in state coffers as well as C&C coffers.

If you don't see that just the possibility of Superferry service to Molokai (even on an emergency basis) benefits Molokai, then you're not lookin' very hard. [If you build a terminal, they will come...]

[Random]

Re: Rail Transit

If you don't see that just the possibility of Superferry service to Molokai (even on an emergency basis) benefits Molokai, then you're not lookin' very hard. [If you build a terminal, they will come...]

But I'm not looking for the Superferry for its emergency benefit only. I want to use it as much as Honolulu and Maui residents are using them daily.

So, how does this work? Our county have to pay for refitting the harbor so the Superferry can dock here, or is that something the state should step in? Who paid to refitted Superferry's docking at Honolulu, Maui, and Big Island's harbor?

[TuNnL]

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TuNnl, all those things you mention ARE a better use

I would beg to differ on that. I think most would agree putting thousands of new cars on the road that would not normally have been there, would be a bad thing. Most would agree more illegal drug (particularly the drug of choice in Hawai‘i: crystal meth) use would be a bad thing. And child porn? Geez salmoned, I had no idea you though highly of such a thing.

By your reasoning, no one should be allowed to keep any money, because they may abuse it.

No, now your putting words in my mouth. All I said was it was disputable that the money currently being allocated for rail would be better spent in the hands of taxpayers. Can we stick to the facts instead of wildly embellishing others’ posts in an effort to discredit them?

MY speculation will not cost us billions of dollars.

Do you have gas price statistics that support this assertion, or are you just making an assumption? Remember to factor in the fact that most experts are predicting it will continue to rise.

[sansei]

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hi this is sansei and in response to salmoned,i respect your opinon only my view's are this way,i appulaud our great mayor since he's the one who wanted to put rail on the map and that from last night's news that now i learned our governor didnt side with the stop rail now faction and she only supported when the mayor brought up the idea of rail and she wasnt on any side of both faction's,which is stop rail now and go rail go and this is the true fact's of what i learned and im glad she wont sign with stop rail now as our great mayor pointed out on the news so i hope this may help you with your thought's?

Well thank's for your time

[kani-lehua]

Re: Rail Transit

both go rail go! and stop rail were in attendance at today's kailua parade. looked like stop rail had more supporters.

[sansei]

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hi this is sansei and in response to kani-lehua,i respect your thought's only i believe Go-rail-go will win and stop the stop rail now campaign and i wont sign stop rail's petition,i'd go with go-rail-go and im hoping they will pull through and i wont vote Panos as a Mayor.i'd vote for Our current mayor hanneman is he's doing a great job and i know in my heart,hanneman will be voted in once again.

Well thank's for your time

[Serenity]

STOP the RAIL!.

Not sure if this has been posted or not,

But here is a link for it!.

So...

PLEASE HELP TO STOP THE RAIL & send it out by JULY 10!.

http://www.stoprailnow.com/whynot.html

The website, says it all!!.

Aloha.