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    Train in Vain
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    Autonomous Car Legislation going forward in California:
    http://www.mercurynews.com/californi...highway-future

    Additionally, robotic cars are shown to have better efficiency
    http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/fu...t-study-978760

    Has anyone seen ANY politician bring up this technology in a discussion on Rail? I mean, they have internet access, right?

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    Buses beat RAIL on all fronts! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLyz0vjvOjE

    The Federal Government has stated cities across America cannot afford to maintain and operate rail anymore and so the feds are offering Honolulu the opportunity to put buses on their fixed guideway instead, Why? Because buses beat rail on all fronts- less energy use, less pollution, more carrying capacity, and much cheaper to build, operate, and maintain....buses win. For fed write up: http://www.councilmanberg.com/html_p...st_073012.html

    http://blogs.planning.org/policy/201...ransit-grants/

    Sounds like a much better plan to me!
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    I don't want to read all 48 previous pages so if this is old news, sorry. But in reading a little Honolulu history I see it had a public transport rail system of up to 12 miles, begun in the late 1880's. This was news to me. Does anybody know when and why it was discontinued? Once those right of ways are gone replacing them is incredibly expensive. On the mainland in the '50's a conglomerate of General Motors, Firestone Tires, and one of the oil companies bought up public transit rail systems all over the country, LA used to have one of the best, the Red Cars. Can you imagine LA with a good, convenient public transit system? The whole purpose was to make people buy cars, tires, gasoline, we got suburbs and also dependence on Mideast oil. Anyway, what about the Honolulu system?

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    OH yeah.

    Let's just build subways like New York and London. Since we have a high water table, we won't even need tracks, we can use boats! Submarines!

    If we run into I`iwi we can just make a jag around them. But since this will be deep, only the access escalators will run into burials.

    And, after that, we can make an underwater highway like the England to France Chunnel to link up all the highways.

    That is, if we can stop arguing long enough before efficient teleportation becomes possible.

    I like Ben's idea of an elevated highway over Dillingham to relieve traffic.

    Or, tax cars by their roadway footprint..... small cars & 2-wheeled vehicles ride free.
    Carpools get a tax discount.
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    It would be interesting to see what the old routes were. 12 miles doesn't seem like much today but in the 1880's or '90's it must have served the whole city. And if it hadn't gone out of business, for whatever reason, it could have been modernized and extended. It is impossible now in Honolulu and just about everywhere else. That was the whole point of buying them up and shutting them down. It worked.

    San Diego has a system of trolleys that runs about 70 % on abandoned railroad track, there have been some extensions with new track. A lot of people use the trolley to get to Padres or Chargers games, or to SD State, some use it to get to work downtown, some use the "Coaster", an actual train that runs about 50 miles from Oceanside to downtown, a commuter train in the east coast commuter train tradition. It runs on the old Santa Fe tracks to LA. Its all subsidized, the feeling is that getting several thousand cars off the freeways means you don't have to build so many new freeways. When I think of mistakes from the past that might not have seemed very significant 50 years ago, but really screwed up our present, shutting down municipal rail systems is right up there. Subtract 20 % of traffic from Honolulu freeways and streets and everything would probably flow a lot smoother. But it IS too late. Maybe some engineers could work out smoother traffic flows, if that hasn't already been tried.

    Sweet innocents...one visitor asked me why you couldn't just drive from O'ahu to Maui. Amazing. I think technology for Star Trek transporters will be developed before technology for laying a tube or a bridge (my God!) from O'ahu to Maui. But 100 years from now...who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    But in reading a little Honolulu history I see it had a public transport rail system of up to 12 miles, begun in the late 1880's. This was news to me. Does anybody know when and why it was discontinued? Once those right of ways are gone replacing them is incredibly expensive. On the mainland in the '50's a conglomerate of General Motors, Firestone Tires, and one of the oil companies bought up public transit rail systems all over the country, Anyway, what about the Honolulu system?
    http://www.streetcardays.com/index.html

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    Thank you very much!

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    "UCLA Prof. Brian Taylor doesn't have a stake in the battle over Oahu's transit future. However, the transportation policy and planning expert does offer a unique perspective on what would be best for the island's transit needs – the city's proposed $5.3 billion rail project, or a bus rapid transit system.

    "When you look at the size of Honolulu (and) you look at the transportation problem they're seeking to solve, BRT is almost certainly a better investment," Taylor said Friday in a telephone interview with KITV4..."

    Read more: http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/UCLA...#ixzz29r7yRsib

    Bus Rapid Transit truly does make more sense and be a better investment in Oahu's need than RAIL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    Bus Rapid Transit truly does make more sense and be a better investment in Oahu's need than RAIL.
    Which begs the question why is The Bus doing what everybody agrees is a psych move on the masses to exert a more favorable attitude for rail by maximizing riders per bus so many are frequently standing? They've been in cahoots with pro-rail all along and not only are they pissing off the public they're losing veteran drivers to all the route changes and internal grumbles that have them fed up. Talk to a bus driver/s, it's pretty interesting.

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    Full Funding Grant Agreement Vote for Rail Honolulu City Council
    The last votes on rail -2012.
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    RAIL - The Biggest Mistake of the 21st Century.

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    Will the rail ever be built? Will it be planned so that it provides transportation to one of the main needs on Oahu (UH Manoa campus)? Has the window of opportunity passed now due to our losing Sen. Inouye? Is this latest criticism by a federal judge "very good news" to those oppose the rail?

    SA breaking news (so the link won't last long):

    A federal judge wrote a scathing letter this week criticizing the direction of Honolulu’s rail project and saying rail officials have failed to follow a federal court order. Chief U.S. District Judge Susan Oki Mollway contends that the route transit officials chose, ending at Ala Moana Center, fails to meet the project’s original expressed purpose because it doesn’t serve the University of Hawaii’s Manoa campus, and the thousands of students, professors and employees who gather there.
    “In fact, given the economy, sequestration, the loss of Senator (Daniel) Inouyes’ influence, and other intervening factors, it is realistic to question whether the extension to UH Manoa will ever be built.”
    Now run along and play, but don’t get into trouble.

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    There's no justification for rail as we know it currently. It won't serve the population of Oahu but a fraction of one lick, but it'll destroy so much.
    Thanx, Mufi!
    Disney's concept would have been a great refference point for Oahu rail way back in the '50s.

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    As one of thousands of commuters that pass through the Waiawa Interchange (where H-1 and H-2 meet), it's hard not to marvel at the massive rail columns towering overhead (and reaching further and further overhead). I enjoyed this story on KHON about the structures:

    http://khon2.com/2015/04/15/hart-say...looming-above/

    Of course, after all the reassurances that the construction is safe, a few days later, cracked concrete along the rail line is the talk of the town:

    http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...long-rail-line

    http://khon2.com/2015/04/16/hart-to-...k-in-concrete/

    Maybe I won't be so eager to drive under these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon View Post
    Of course, after all the reassurances that the construction is safe, a few days later, cracked concrete along the rail line is the talk of the town:
    Who's still getting paid?

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    Stupid thing should not even be built given all the cost overruns at 10% completion. Rail is the biggest mistake hurled upon the taxpayers of Honolulu and Hawaii this century.
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    this miserable thing thanx to it's dreamers has now become the most expensive transit project per capita in all of America http://nvs24.com/news/us/Per-capita-...n-1622942.html

    $4,000 per head and counting!

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    $10 Billion so far...

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    Reminds me of the BART system in the San Francisco Bay Area.

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    The rail system was never about moving people from one place to another, at best it was seen as an incidental. Taking 1 out of 50 cars off the road won't achieve jack shit.

    It was all about the PRP rail contractors making a killing and then spending millions on smear ads to put scumbag Caldwell in office.

    It would have been easier on folks if the billions got spent on a giant bronze statue of Mr. Play-for-Play Mayor Jerk Caldwell that didn't disrupt our lives like rail construction does. Said statue would be almost equally effective in lowering traffic jams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlohaKine View Post
    The rail system was never about moving people from one place to another, at best it was seen as an incidental. Taking 1 out of 50 cars off the road won't achieve jack shit.

    It was all about the PRP rail contractors making a killing and then spending millions on smear ads to put scumbag Caldwell in office.
    $10 billion, $11 billion, more? No one knows for sure how much the annual maintenance will be. The funding for that will be taken out of property taxes, which will drive real estate prices, mortgages and yes, RENTS even higher. Rail is one of the many things that is making Hawaii more and more UNAFFORDABLE!

    Biggest mistake of the 21st Century!

    Time to stop the rail is now!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    Just two months ago, the Honolulu City Council CAPPED the cost of rail at $6.8 billion. This is not just short, it’s WAY short of what it would cost to build the CHEAPEST scenario discussed in the Civil Beat article.

    They really just need to STOP at the Middle Street station and save the rest as a “one day, maybe” option. Meanwhile, HART and HECO still don’t have anything in writing as to how workers will relocate utilities that have been, are currently and will in the future be displaced.

    Bravo.

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    what an aggravating shame, we could have really benefited from a great system

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