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  • Re: Rail Transit

    I'm listening - why is it not feasible? If we had only one solo driver lane, you would have left for your interview earlier, knowing you had a rough commute ahead. Remember, you and the potential employer chose the time of the interview (likely, you would have expressed a preference for a time not involving driving during rush hour). No solution will result in faster commutes for everyone, not even rail. However, allowing the least economical commuters (solo drivers) to bear the brunt of the burden maximizes fairness and promotes efficiency, while rail fails on both counts. How can HOV lanes be feasible (and currently in use), but a solo driver lane not be feasible?

    I see, that rush hour solo drivers penalize all commuters (causing traffic congestion) is of no consequence, but were we to penalize them for the same reason, why, it's just awful, eh? It's not awful to penalize everyone on Oahu to build a limited range fixed rail system that may benefit 10% to 20% of the populace, no that's very good, but to penalize only those who are causing the problem and benefit all other commuters, well that's just awful - not.
    Last edited by salmoned; August 22, 2008, 04:16 PM.
    May I always be found beneath your contempt.

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      Originally posted by salmoned View Post
      [...]
      Tutusue - home is where the heart is, you should know that! We call them homeless, but that isn't really true. They can live for years in the same place, or spend just a few hours in one place before moving on to another. Their homes are on the streets, beaches, and parks, often in cubbyholes of their own design. Some property owners allow them to squat, others chase them off. It's a way of life more apt to our evolutionary heritage than what we currently deem 'civilized'.
      Am I correct in reading that you lump all homeless together, regardless of their reasons?
      Am I correct in reading that the homeless population chooses to live the way they do so, therefore, that's where their hearts are?
      I think I'll bow out of this discussion as your homeless reference is just far to strange for me to even begin to know how to respond.

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        You yourself have lumped them all together in your question, calling them homeless, rather than separating them into different categories - what should I have done differently? Should I have specifically designated different forms or qualities of homelessness? Income levels? Aptitudes? To what point? Yes, I firmly believe every conscious being makes choices, including those we call homeless, concerning their condition. 'Home is where the heart is' means we all have a home and it's where we make it. When I mentioned rush hour commuters, you found no offense in my lumping them all together, or did you find that noteworthy, as well? If we can't lump people together, we'll have to talk about persons, individually, and we won't get very far toward understanding ourselves as a group or as groups of groups.

        I've no doubt every solo driver commuter could produce a sad or perfectly reasonable story about why they must remain solo commuters, yet I'm equally sure that our rush hour traffic would find relief with a significant portion of rush hour drivers choosing to double, triple or quadruple up. I believe if we increase the incentive, the result will increase. When solo drivers see multi-passenger vehicles cruising past them at high speed all along the freeways, they'll want to join in (some unlawfully, of course, just as some solo drivers are currently found in the HOV lanes during rush hour). We wouldn't have to convert to just one solo driver lane right away, we could do it gradually and check for effect. Start with all freeways having one HOV during rush hour, then increase to two where applicable, then three if necessary. The ideal might be a 15 to 25 MPH average speed difference between solo and multi-rider lanes.
        Last edited by salmoned; August 22, 2008, 05:17 PM.
        May I always be found beneath your contempt.

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          Originally posted by salmoned View Post
          When I mentioned rush hour commuters, you found no offense in my lumping them all together, or did you find that noteworthy, as well?
          Salmoned, you lumped all rush hour commuters together when you told me that my job interview should involve a rough commute, and that apparently I should bear the brunt of the burden of traffic congestion. Which makes no sense. Which is noteworthy!

          I hate this thread! I can't believe this - I have to try to ignore Salmoned's stupid nitpicking and what-iffing and annoying and provoking, while he's avoiding any real meaty topics - to get any good, and interesting, and sometimes funny info off here!

          I can agree with Tutu, and bow out as well. I'm off camping for the weekend. Catch up with y'all Monday!
          ~ This is the strangest life I've ever known ~

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            Salmoned, I've asked before and I'll ask again, define what is affordable in the metro area, include all details, price, sq ft, amenities, HOA, parking, etc. Otherwise, you're just baiting for an argument since not everyone is discussing from the same page.

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              Sorry to be such a bother to you, turtlegirl. If I have little to say that's any good, interesting or funny, I must admit I do make an effort to stick to the what's real and true, even when it's not any good, interesting or funny. I really didn't mean to lump you in with all those other commuters, I meant you, specifically, should bear the burden of the traffic congestion which you, specifically, help create when driving solo during rush hour.
              May I always be found beneath your contempt.

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              • Re: Rail Transit

                Originally posted by Composite 2992 View Post
                As the heir apparent and self-appointed ruler of the People's Republic of Oahu, here's what I propose. Assuming, of course, that everyone agrees in this new democratic monarchy.
                "People's Republic." I agree that an elite oligarchy government should be in placed but let's not act like the Chinese. The [common] people have nothing to do with the government's politics.

                It's the Socialist Republic of Oahu.

                Now, let's clear up the land of all historical landmarks including the Iolani Palace, unless we can convert it into something more commercial than a ... heh ... "museum." Any bones we find is considered animal bones, period. Any heiau shall be inspected for laying foundation cement for overdevelopment.

                Next, we need a puppet ruler: salmoned.

                Beginning with his "no rails" agenda, we will eliminate the peasants' use of vehicles, reserved for special status citizens. We will lax all environmental safety rules and build more industries, starting with Aala Park.

                *sighs. Where's my devil smiley when I need it?*
                Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08

                Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89

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                  Originally posted by Random View Post
                  Beginning with his "no rails" agenda, we will eliminate the peasants' use of vehicles, reserved for special status citizens. We will lax all environmental safety rules and build more industries, starting with Aala Park.
                  As an AARP member I cannot fully support the "no rails" agenda.

                  It would make stairways too risky without something to hold onto.

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                  • Re: Rail Transit

                    hi this is sansei and i spoke with my sister who live's on the mainland and i spoke with her about this matter that i mentioned Panos's name to her and said that he would de-rail the rail system and that former city council member when i shared with her about The former city Council member's view's on this and she said that both of their idea's wouldnt work and that the mayor we have now has good view's on rail and she mentioned in our state we do need raill and without it,that we hawaii's people like our mayor said we'd be sitting in trafficgridlock for our life so i thought to share this true news with everyone. sorry if i may have made the member's on this thread unhappy only i thought to share my view's when i speak with my sister so i hope everyone may forgive me on this?

                    Well thank's for your time:O)

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                      Originally posted by Composite 2992 View Post
                      As an AARP member I cannot fully support the "no rails" agenda.

                      It would make stairways too risky without something to hold onto.
                      Why take the stairs? I got this neat invention. Now, it may look like a catapult but it will get you to higher and farther places ... more or less.
                      Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08

                      Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89

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                        hi this is sansei and i just learned that their is a new group called kanu hawaii.org who agree with rail only they want to do it in a way that is civil so i hope everyone here check's out this new site.good luck.

                        well thank's for your time

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                          Originally posted by Random View Post
                          Why take the stairs? I got this neat invention. Now, it may look like a catapult but it will get you to higher and farther places ... more or less.
                          Well I have an AC-powered device that will get you downstairs quickly but the name's already been taken: The Electric Slide.

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                          • Re: Rail Transit

                            Originally posted by Composite 2992 View Post
                            Mass transit will not be theRail or theBus. It will be theCanal. Ala Wai Canal will be extended from Waikiki to Kapolei and it will be named the Oahu Transit Canal.
                            You know... this was actually a SERIOUS proposal in 1965!

                            A group of planners suggested the Ala Wai Canal be extended to Pearl Harbor. Hydrofoils would make stops at major intersections, downtown, etc.

                            I wrote about it in my "The Companies We Keep 2" book.

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                              hi this is sansei and today i caught the bus to town since i had to go to get something for my mom and then when i waited by the alakea bus stop,i waited for about 20 Minutes to almost 15 minute's more and then my bus came and when we were coming to our stop by our park, we were transferred to the bus in front and we waited until the bus driver finished talking with someone on his cell phone and then we were able to leave and i came home and i agree with mayor mufi that if we dont get rail,that's how bus riding's going to be for me and i wouldnt mind if our mayor get's and build's rail is i truly am understanding about how the bus system work's and we dont need to many buse's on the road,we need rail.

                              Well thank's for your time

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                                Originally posted by Creative-1 View Post
                                You know... this was actually a SERIOUS proposal in 1965!

                                A group of planners suggested the Ala Wai Canal be extended to Pearl Harbor. Hydrofoils would make stops at major intersections, downtown, etc.

                                I wrote about it in my "The Companies We Keep 2" book.
                                That project would have made for a lot of work for bridge builders!

                                I got the first edition of your book. Very entertaining!

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