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    Quote Originally Posted by Pua'i Mana'o View Post
    you and I are known as "Platinum" customers. Check out what that means. What I WANT it to mean is, "here's yer apple phone, PM!"
    Yes, I must congratulate both of you on being such loyal T-Mobile customers. I had a job interview recently with one of the groups that manages their call centers and they did remark that their #1 priority was to keep their customers happy. With the huge churn rates that happen whenever the next new phone or service crops up, it's pretty amazing to find customers who stick with a cellular phone carrier for longer than the contract period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palolo Joe View Post
    Would you like some cheese with that whine?

    Go buy a T-Mobile MDA. It's a full-featured PDA-style phone that's an adult version of the Sidekick.

    Only thing is, it runs on a Microsoft OS, not OSX.
    You think THAT'S a whine? No, my previous bleedout much more qualifies.

    I've looked at the mda, actually. It, along with the blackberry, can be configured to work with MacOSX if I install MacSync, which I have also considered purchasing at one time or another.

    Do you have an MDA? I don't know anyone who owns one, and would prefer to hear him/her evangelize/gripe on its features/limitations.

    pax

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    Yes, I must congratulate both of you on being such loyal T-Mobile customers. I had a job interview recently with one of the groups that manages their call centers and they did remark that their #1 priority was to keep their customers happy. With the huge churn rates that happen whenever the next new phone or service crops up, it's pretty amazing to find customers who stick with a cellular phone carrier for longer than the contract period.

    Miulang
    To be frank, I am loyal to my wallet. I am happy with TMobile in all areas except selection. My husband and children are all razorheads, so they've nothing to complain about.

    pax

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pua'i Mana'o View Post
    You think THAT'S a whine? No, my previous bleedout much more qualifies.

    I've looked at the mda, actually. It, along with the blackberry, can be configured to work with MacOSX if I install MacSync, which I have also considered purchasing at one time or another.

    Do you have an MDA? I don't know anyone who owns one, and would prefer to hear him/her evangelize/gripe on its features/limitations.
    Yes... but I was too lazy to quote it.

    I've owned all three versions of the Sidekick, plus a MDA and a Blackberry. I liked the MDA the best, until a friend dropped it (I had just canceled my phone insurance the week before).

    Now I have a plain old regular phone. So boring.

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    Cingular has an exclusive contract til 2009.

    http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/09/tech...ex.htm?cnn=yes

    Cingular, a unit of AT&T (up $0.13 to $33.94, Charts), will be Apple's sole U.S. partner. It's an exclusive multiyear agreement, which means no other carrier will be able to sell the iPhone through 2009.

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    Cingular has an exclusive contract til 2009.

    http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/09/tech...ex.htm?cnn=yes

    Cingular, a unit of AT&T (up $0.13 to $33.94, Charts), will be Apple's sole U.S. partner. It's an exclusive multiyear agreement, which means no other carrier will be able to sell the iPhone through 2009.
    <foams at the mouth>

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    Quote Originally Posted by tvguy View Post
    Cingular has an exclusive contract til 2009.

    http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/09/tech...ex.htm?cnn=yes

    Cingular, a unit of AT&T (up $0.13 to $33.94, Charts), will be Apple's sole U.S. partner. It's an exclusive multiyear agreement, which means no other carrier will be able to sell the iPhone through 2009.
    I'm glad that I own some Apple stock...it went up $7.10 per share (to $92.57) today. I can hardly wait until the "early adopters" (myself included) begin finding the iPhone's bugs in June.
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    OK. I looked at and read about the Apple iPhone and the new Apple TV devices. Cool as one can usually expect from Apple.

    The bigger news to me is the fact that Steve Jobs said that Apple Computer is no more and that Apple is now "Apple Inc." Today marks a shift from the bread and butter Macintosh computers Apple has been so well known for and moving more to entertainment and communications. I know the money is in the iPod, iTunes and the entertainment derivatives. I hope the iPhone and AppleTV are raving successes too. Time will tell.
    Last edited by mel; January 9th, 2007 at 08:51 PM.
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    I downloaded and watched the whole iphone intro off of apple's website, inspiring me to think about the features of my treo which I find most useful. My thoughts on what I like about the iPhone, and the functions I need:

    -Documents to Go: because of inter-isle work-related travel, I appreciate the ability to download xls, doc and pdf files onto my treo. From itineraries to taking notes, nothing beats the next-to-nothing weight of a cellphone and a foldup keyboard in my purse. No luggage/computer bag hassles in the airport, nor left in the car if I try to sneak a 1/2 hr in Ala Moana, Ward Centre or CompUSA. The thing that makes my phone "smart" to me is the real ability to leave my computer behind. That requires a work suite, and outside of the calendar and email features, I saw nothing for memos on the iPhone.

    -Music needs: except for exercise, I am not comfortable chilling on an ipod, especially because it means I will check out from whatever is going on around me. At home, I don't like to be so disengaged from my hubby/kids, and in public, I am too aware of my surroundings to be comfortable. Music is so powerful to me, that I limit my exposure to it. It IS perfect during exercise.

    -I am highly interested in the iPhone's internet browser capabilities, and curious about media-rich sites with shockwave, etc.

    -I paid particular attention to how SJ typed his text. I am a dual-thumb thumboard demon, relying comfortably on the middle parts of my thumbs to feel&type. I am not too sure about the precision of the iPhone's keyboard.

    -I didn't see any ports for add-ons and guess that all future accessories will be bluetooth-enabled (e.g. foldup keyboards).

    pax

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCal Boy View Post
    Looks like they've worked out a deal with Cisco.
    Ah, so that announcement last month by Linksys about their iPhone was maybe just a move to drive up the price of the trademark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tvguy View Post
    Cingular has an exclusive contract til 2009.
    Well, doesn't that just suck.

    Does anyone know if Cingular allows the phones to roam onto other provider's networks? Who else runs the same format?

    I know Sprint allows you to roam onto Verizon. Verizon I think still allows roaming onto Sprint, except last I heard they pulled the local Sprint from the PRL. Because of that I haven't updated in years.

    The new iPhone is very interesting, but I'll have to wait and see just how well the features work for actually doing work instead of entertainment. The thumb board is one thing I'm very interested in seeing how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoGeek View Post
    Well, doesn't that just suck.

    Does anyone know if Cingular allows the phones to roam onto other provider's networks? Who else runs the same format?
    T-Mobile uses the same GSM standard that the iPhone operates on.

    Once it hits retail, expect a short wait before "unlocked" versions of the phone show up on the Internet.

    If you have a GSM SIM card (as all T-Mobile and Cingular customers do), you're good to go. Unfortunately, Sprint/Nextel and Verizon customers are SOL until 2009.

    And PM... I think you've already convinced yourself the iPhone is just not for you. Stick with your Treo... you'll definitely be happier with it.

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    A phone that does everything is no good to you if you don't really want to do everything, and the smartphone category is infamous for "phone and PDA" combos that do neither "phone" nor "PDA" well. And, you know, the iPhone in June will be a first generation piece of hardware... basically a minefield for Apple, and territory best explored only by the most hardcore fanboy.

    I may be one such fanboy, of course.

    I use a Treo, but every users needs can be different. For me, I use it maybe 65 percent of the time to check e-mail, 15 of the time to browse the web, 10 percent of the time to handle scheduling and contacts, and a begrudging last 10 percent of the time as a phone. Meanwhile, I carry a separate iPod, mostly to listen to podcasts. I am also a Mac guy at home, and while the Treo-Mac link is pretty solid (courtesy third-party utilities), it has always felt kludgy.

    Before my Treo, I had a Visor Prism PDA and a Samsung cell phone, and loved that the Treo combined those things. With the iPhone, two more devices I carry around separately (making me look like a short, squat, dorky Batman wannabe) are further combined. I mostly listen to podcasts, now, after all, so 8GB is perfect. Plus when it comes to syncing, everything will be native, pure Mac. Not to mention the fantastic UI, the "Internet Communicator" features (which the Treo does, but reluctantly), the rich e-mail and web, the...

    Anyway. My dad loves his Treo, and I'd never recommend an iPhone. But for some geeks, I think it'll definitely be close to what some are calling "The Jesus Phone."

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    So frustrating...I've been jonesing for a widescreen Ipod. What I didn't want was a phone attached to it, especially a phone linked only to Cingular. Plus, what good is a video Ipod with only 8 gig of memory?

    I'm looking forward to the 4th quarter release of the spinoff 80 gig video Ipod*. Apple can keep the phone (no matter how cool).

    *purely my speculation

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    Oh, there'll definitely be an iPhone sans phone, a.k.a. the long-awaited widescreen iPod. But with a likely price point of $299, it's obvious Apple doesn't want to cannibalize $599 iPhone sales (not many folks would get an 8GB iPhone with Cingular if you could get a 60GB wide-screen, touch-screen video iPod for less).

    Meanwhile, the iPhone hangover is setting in, blogs now all abuzz with what's wrong with the new device. No installable software, poor battery life, and the limitations of a touch screen interface (even on my Treo, dialing via the screen versus tactile buttons is a crapshoot).

    For me, at least, I still think the iPhone would work. Or maybe I need another few weeks for the "HOLY CRAP" reaction to fade from my brainpan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    With the huge churn rates that happen whenever the next new phone or service crops up, it's pretty amazing to find customers who stick with a cellular phone carrier for longer than the contract period.

    Miulang
    I dont think its that amazing. unless you get bad reception or pay too much, i think most stay with a plan. these 2 year contracts theyre pushing with only 1 year warranty is for suckers tho.

    any word on buying itunes over iphone edge or wifi enabled or will it be like the irokr?
    this phone looks badass.
    i wonder if the unlocked versions will be able to support all the features?
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    after watching the whole ipod intro on quicktime, I get it why there needs to be an exclusive cell carrier. One feature is the ability to scroll through voicemail to select messages. Currently no such option exists with any cell carrier, so to get one on board to ramp up their technology must have meant some good wheeling/dealing. Kudos to Apple and Cingular for stepping up to that plate.

    Hangovers might be all the blog rage, but the bloggers gotta confess that the iPhone still gave a stellar first impression! And time will tell what the 3rd parties will dream up to add on to the phone, as well as how full-featured future versions of iTunes will become, considering that iTunes is the sync conduit for the iPhone. I cannot wait for June to visit the Apple Store and play with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCal Boy View Post
    Looks like they've worked out a deal with Cisco.
    Hold the (i)Phone!!!

    (Sorry, couldn't resist..)

    Maybe not:
    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...f151203S78.DTL

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    After this thread ramped up yesterday I skipped across the parking lot to MacMouse. Rolf gave me a big screen tour of the iPhone. Wow! My Cingular contract is up in a couple of weeks and I'm probably switching to Hawaiian Telcom. But...hold the fort! Should I or shouldn't I? I mean, even this untechie tutu who is normally not overly enthusiastic about buying and learning the newest technology gave pause to reupping with Cingular and waiting impatiently for June.

    That was yesterday! After a decent night's sleep, my senses returned! I don't need an iPhone and if I got one I wouldn't use the majority of the features. I'll wait a coupla years and see what happens to the price and my needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCal Boy View Post
    (Cisco Sues Apple Over Use of iPhone Name)

    Heh. Well Steve Jobs has been said to be a notoriously combative exec' behind closed doors, so that's hardly surprising.

    Perhaps Apple should have taken the "iPhone" concept one level further and introduced it simply as the succeeding (2007) iPod model. Done deal. Never mind that whimpy 8 gig hard drive (for a rediculous $500!). Make the case a little thicker and include a full-sized 80-gig HD. This would truly make it a "Jack of all trades" device. Not only would that attract celphone customers, it would also tempt current iPod/MP3 device users to trade in their current wares for the new '07 iPod just to have the enhanced touch-screen interface and video capability. THAT would be worth $500.

    Still, with Apple Inc. striving to diversify their image, it's no wonder they're so insistent on introducing an "iPhone" into their product stable.

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    Good point, PM, about some reasons for the Cingular lock-in, particularly the non-linear voicemail thing. Unlike other handset makers, Apple wasn't going to let the provider dictate features. Whoever signed on had to know they'd be answering to Apple's whims, not vice versa, and that's gotta count for a lot.

    Here's a video from CBS News with a hands-on demo of the iPhone. It's one thing to see the slick Quicktime animations on the Apple site, which of course they could perfect and slick-up as much as they like, and another to see it in someone's hands, operating as promised.

    I love that freewheeling spin thing.

    As for the Cisco/Apple spat over " iPhone" -- it is interesting. Most folks are saying it's a slam dunk for Cisco. Not only do they own the trademark, and have the first product to market with the name, but Apple is (presumably) on record has having actively negotiated with them over use of the name, too.

    But I do think it could be a tough fight for Cisco, even if they win. I mean, people have been callng the Apple iPhone the iPhone for years, and that's before the product was announced. It was the buzz of the tech press for the last six months, again under the iPhone name. In the public's eye, the default name for any Apple cell phone was iPhone, and that's a lot of inertia for Cisco to overcome. Even if Cisco wins, and the Apple iPhone becomes the Apple iTalkPro or something... you bet your sweet bippy people will still call it the iPhone.

    I'm pretty sure from a marketing standpoint, Cisco knows it'd be easier to just sell the name and rename its own obscure product.

    But, it's the principle of the thing. And bigger companies have had to face the music over similar issues. Microsoft had to settle over a small company's claim on "Internet Explorer," and Google had to give up "Gmail" in the UK. Cisco is a slightly bigger adversary than those two faced!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon View Post
    A phone that does everything is no good to you if you don't really want to do everything, and the smartphone category is infamous for "phone and PDA" combos that do neither "phone" nor "PDA" well.
    I agree with what you've said. However, I don't think I want to sell Steve Job's short. Apple always seems to come up with good user designs.

    BUT......

    My question is how well does it do business apps? Word and Excel files? Integrate with corporate email and applications? The reason I ask is the Treo and Blackberry owners I know have them paid or at least subsidized by their company. What I see with the Apple iPhone is an entertainment device. How many are really going to pay that much for it when it's on their own dime? And how much is the service? I'll bet it's a lot more then just basic phone service. Even if people are willing to pony up for the device, will the pay for the expensive service too? Another hit if it's not well suited for business. Yes, Apple makes great user interfaces, but I think they've always struggled to make inroads to corporate America. Is this a continuation of both past successes and failures?

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    The iPhone is pretty much a consumer device. It's a "high-end" phone, but more for the people who buy iPods and not those who buy (or rather, whose companies buy) Blackberrys. The business press is already pooh-pooing the iPhone because of the lack of business apps in the demo, but I really don't think they're Apple's target right now. Which isn't to say RIM shouldn't worry... depending on how robust the OSX derivative is on the iPhone, it very well could have Office for Mac Lite 2008 on it someday.

    For the perspective of PalmOne Treo owners on the iPhone, here's a good overview from Treocentral. They basically say Treo still has a future, but it will probably have to cede the high-end consumer market (which they were only in briefly) and go back to targeting RIM on the business front.

    Meanwhile, the iPhone trademark battle continues. Lots of people are pointing to other products called the iPhone. Apple's VP for global communications says, "We believe that Cisco’s U.S. trademark is tenuous at best... We are the first company to use the iPhone name for a cellphone and we’re confident we will prevail." An Apple spokeswoman says, "We think Cisco's trademark suit is silly... We believe (Cisco's) trademark registration is tenuous at best."

    And trademark experts are coming out of the woodwork... one key piece of caselaw saying that trademarks can be deemed "abandoned" if unused for three or more years. So even if Cisco bought the company that had an iPhone product in 1997... releasing an iPhone in 2006 may have been too late to assert continuous ownership. Especially since the media had been babbling about Apple's imminent iPhone's announcement for years.

    Finally, a few folks have made the same point I did... that even if Apple throws up its hands today and says, "Okay, it's the Apple Phone," 99.789 percent of people will still call it the iPhone. Which means Apple owns it, even if they don't. Genius!

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    I'd think that ePhone might be better suited; e for entertainment/enjoy/experience/choke extras. Or even the ePod; consider that this is being marketed as a phone, which is sooooo smartphonish (read: last century). What the hell is it? A pod in the hand. What can it do? eVerything.**

    A part of me is dreaming about how buff iTunes is going to become as a communications portal. Is it just about the tunes anymore? What will it be renamed as?


    **Trademarked to Pua'i 2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon View Post
    The iPhone is pretty much a consumer device. It's a "high-end" phone, but more for the people who buy iPods and not those who buy (or rather, whose companies buy) Blackberrys.
    Well then, I think costs will keep sales down. That and the lock to one carrier.


    We are the first company to use the iPhone name for a cellphone and we’re confident we will prevail
    If it was so tenuous why were they negotiating? Not unless they thought they might get it at a lowball price. Frankly I see arrogance after winning against Apple Records. They're saying in effect that a cell phone is a different market then a regular phone or a IP phone, so it can use the same name. That's how they defeated Apple Records. I doubt if the courts are going to see it that way this time around. The test is consumer confusion. Cells phones are too much like other phones. Trademarks aren't going to share.

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