Statehood Day Holiday

[damontucker]

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Ok... TuNnL... I may need some back up here..

in 2000... I worked as the Production Assistant to All Legislative Hearings for Capitol Television...

(I even invited TuNnL to come to some live hearings and sit in the little black room that is behind the legislatures where we do our switching etc.)

I personally worked as a Liason between Olelo and the Legislature to ensure that their programs were scheduled in a timely manner.

I often had to override previously scheduled olelo programs to get them aired in a timely fashion....

The words I was told to use by my supervisor at the time.... were something to the effect that the Legislature controls funding to Olelo and if they have a beef with getting our meetings on the air....then... they (Olelo) will have to answer to the legislatures....

In the last few years since the programming department has changed personell, there doesn't seem to be quite that rift between Legislative programming and regular programming.

[poinographer]

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Are you seriously comparing footage of a political confrontation to pornography?! The former has the highest free speech protection, the latter has much less. That's pretty much a red herring, in my opinion.

I still don't understand what is your underlying argument. Is it that Olelo (or, if you prefer, "the government") should not have provided the equipment to produce the coverage of this event?

[Palolo Joe]

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then what your saying is someone can produce porn and put it on Olelo?

I remember watching Sleepless stuff on Olelo... some of it was like soft-core porn.

Same with the dirty jokes by those two haole guys who used to do a show... and there was the model show that featured bikini-clad babes on the beach.

There are public decency standards that have to be adhered to, but Olelo is supposed to be the avenue for the general public to have the ability to air whatever they want... free speech, yada yada yada...

[damontucker]

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Are you seriously comparing footage of a political confrontation to pornography?! The former has the highest free speech protection, the latter has much less. That's pretty much a red herring, in my opinion.

I still don't understand what is your underlying argument. Is it that Olelo (or, if you prefer, "the government") should not have provided the equipment to produce the coverage of this event?

I still don't understand what is your underlying argument. Is it that Olelo (or, if you prefer, "the government") should not have provided the equipment to produce the coverage of this event?

I think that it's great that Olelo provided the equipment and will eventually provide air time!

I simply said...

Too funny... using government funded equipment and airtime to present the anti-government view! Das good stuff there!

I think its great!!! and funny in a way.... and I ended it with... das good stuff there!
Using a tool to empower an agency is great...

I think Erika said it perfectly after what I said.

[damontucker]

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Are you seriously comparing footage of a political confrontation to pornography?

Well if were talking about PEG programming... if you had an opportunity to view PEG programming in many markets in the mainland... you would see true PEG programming...with the P emphasized...and you would see plenty PORN...(just kidding PUBLIC programming)

However, much of it is "late night" eye candy...that Olelo would refuse to air on premise of one thing or another.... thus, I feel they are controlled by the higher ups....

[pzarquon]

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I still don't understand what is your underlying argument.

Don't sweat it, Doug. This is Manoa. He'll defend a point to the end, even if that requires changing what the point was a few times in the process. The mistake was challenging his "insider" knowledge of something. Manoa knows all!

As this 'Olelo tangent continues its stubborn charge, I'd like to second what Palolo Joe notes -- if you haven't seen anything shocking on public access, you haven't been watching enough. We've got some talented (and not-so-talented) folks putting out stuff that I'm sure Linda Lingle/George Bush/The Man/The Establishment would rather not see the light of day... but the system is designed to give a great deal of latitude, and it does.

I simply said...Too funny... using government funded equipment and airtime to present the anti-government view! Das good stuff there!

Which, if you haven't yet come to comprehend, is incorrect, insofar as it is not government funded.

And, guess what? A government mandated free speech venue will necessarily attract the rebels among us, who presumably don't have the resources your average Fox affilate enjoys. So an 'anti-government' presentation of any kind would, in my mind, be exactly what I would expect on Olelo. If you think an "anti-government view" on public access is funny, you need to get out more.

[damontucker]

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Don't sweat it, Doug. This is Manoa. He'll defend a point to the end, even if that requires changing what the point was a few times in the process. The mistake was challenging his "insider" knowledge of something. Manoa knows all!

As this 'Olelo tangent continues its stubborn charge, I'd like to second what Palolo Joe notes -- if you haven't seen anything shocking on public access, you haven't been watching enough. We've got some talented (and not-so-talented) folks putting out stuff that I'm sure Linda Lingle/George Bush/The Man/The Establishment would rather not see the light of day... but the system is designed to give a great deal of latitude, and it does.
Which, if you haven't yet come to comprehend, is incorrect, insofar as it is not government funded.

And, guess what? A government mandated free speech venue will necessarily attract the rebels among us, who presumably don't have the resources your average Fox affilate enjoys. So an 'anti-government' presentation of any kind would, in my mind, be exactly what I would expect on Olelo. If you think an "anti-government view" on public access is funny, you need to get out more.

Ok pz... so if the government mandates something...

isn't that government control?

If it is funded by an outside source that is put into a coffer that the legislatures decide upon who to split the funds between...then I would say it is government funded...because the government has the funds initially to disperse as they choose....

this is why Olelo is now fighting to survive!

[pzarquon]

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Ok pz... so if the government mandates something...isn't that government control?

Manoa, the fact that you don't get it isn't half as horrifying as the fact that you think that you do.

The government mandates that I have a right to vote. Do they control what I do with my vote? The government mandates that I have a right to a fair trial. Do they control the outcome of that trial? So no, mandating or requiring something does not imply control. The government guarantees free speech, provides for various free speech venues, including public access television, but does not control what we do with it. If I want to broadcast a topless woman performing interpretive dance to Steely Dan, I could. Hell, someone sure did!

Yes, sure, there are limits, as there are with anything. But if you think those limits validate the tin-foil-hat crowd who assert that, in reality, the government controls everything, then there's no hope for you.

And before you forget, the whole reason your ignorance is being called out is because of your assertion that Olelo is government funded. Are you ready to concede that point yet? And do you still think anti-government material on public access TV is unusual, unexpected or funny? Man, some nights, that's all there is!

[damontucker]

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Manoa, the fact that you don't get it isn't half as horrifying as the fact that you think that you do.

The government mandates that I have a right to vote. Do they control what I do with my vote? The government mandates that I have a right to a fair trial. Do they control the outcome of that trial? So no, mandating or requiring something does not imply control. The government guarantees free speech, provides for various free speech venues, including public access television, but does not control what we do with it. If I want to broadcast a topless woman performing interpretive dance to Steely Dan, I could. Hell, someone sure did!

Yes, sure, there are limits, as there are with anything. But if you think those limits validate the tin-foil-hat crowd who assert that, in reality, the government controls everything, then there's no hope for you.

And before you forget, the whole reason your ignorance is being called out is because of your assertion that Olelo is government funded. Are you ready to concede that point yet? And do you still think anti-government material on public access TV is unusual, unexpected or funny? Man, some nights, that's all there is!

If I want to broadcast a topless woman performing interpretive dance to Steely Dan, I could. Hell, someone sure did!

Yes PZ, You could... 1 time...and then you would be banned from using there services for 6 months... do it again...and continue to get banned until totally banned for life.

Sorry... your also not allowed to do any sort of advertising at all on the Olelo channels...? Why? because of government control.

[pzarquon]

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Yes, no hardcore porn and no commercial use, among the perfectly reasonable limits that have already mentioned. But otherwise no content controls, and hence, why seeing "How The Government Sucks" would be perfectly at home on Olelo, and in fact fit right in. And I see you continue to harp on "control" rather than "funding." Do you even remember how you dug this hole in the first place?

Oh, and thanks for the not-so-subtle PM about yet another thing you know but just can't say because it's all hush hush (with an extra serving of name-dropping!). It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

Man, I hate myself now for getting sucked into your little merry-go-round. I'm done with this.

[damontucker]

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PZ - this is not a merry go round!

That's why I originally laughed and said funny!

I figured a PM to you would be a more appropriate way of responding here on HT to some of my posts regarding this....

It's sad and funny.. your right...

I'm done with this

Please don't end reading or posting PZ! you have an intelligent input on this...and it's not a circus. Maybe this should be bumped to another thread as it has bounced away from the original intent.

[Adri]

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The government guarantees free speech, provides for various free speech venues, including public access television, but does not control what we do with it.

Not entering into the main fray here but the government doesn't actually guarantee free speech, just that the government won't prevent free speech (with some exceptions). The Constitution says that Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech (or of the press or the right of people to peaceably assemble and to petition the goverment for redress of grievances). But, for example, you could ban someone from posting on this board even though it is a public board *g* (that wasn't a suggestion, just a fact). TV stations could refuse to allow a show to air or a person to be shown on tv. and you've already noted other reasonable limitations placed on free speech.

[damontucker]

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Not entering into the main fray here but the government doesn't actually guarantee free speech, just that the government won't prevent free speech (with some exceptions). The Constitution says that Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech (or of the press or the right of people to peaceably assemble and to petition the goverment for redress of grievances). But, for example, you could ban someone from posting on this board even though it is a public board *g* (that wasn't a suggestion, just a fact). TV stations could refuse to allow a show to air or a person to be shown on tv. and you've already noted other reasonable limitations placed on free speech.

sorry this is a private board! It is controlled and owned by a private individual.

But, for example, you could ban someone from posting on this board even though it is a public board *g*

I myself have been personally warned about comments I make and have been threatened with being put on a probationary status by the gods of HT! I shaped up as quickly as I could....and still press buttons....(sorry pz).

[TuNnL]

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i reread my post and couldnt find the reference to race or racism. Are you just makin it up? Cuz that's kinda funny.

I don’t think so, but keep on offending me. We’ll go tit for tat.

Maybe the holiday should be called "Your Grandparents Were Idiots Day" I wonder if the protesters go home and scream at Grandma and Grandpa because them old folks were so stupid in 1959??

Not even an apology from timkona after re-reading this horsesh*t? Ethnocentrist, for sure, racist from the point of view of Native Hawaiians. By the way, I’m happy to be a non-Hawaiian defending Native Hawaiians, even if LikaNui thinks that makes me have an “inferiority complex.” Hey, whatever. Better than having a superiority complex, like certain people being discussed on this thread.

[anapuni808]

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Manoa - I'm really curious here.................do you feel its your mission in life to just always be an a** ? It really gets tiresome and makes it really tempting to "out" you even though I promised I wouldn't