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  • #16
    Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

    Originally posted by 1stwahine View Post
    Das it! Dey going take the SuperFerry some place else.

    Shame on Hawaii!
    I say, Shame on Hawaii's Lawmakers.
    They obviously did not give this adequate consideration before they jumped into it. As a result, they

    a.) are responsible for putting Superferry owners in this position, and also ...
    b.) show investors around the world how unprofitable it is to do business with Hawaii's Government Institutions.

    Can anyone remember the freeway project where work was being done at two different ends of the freeway?
    ...and when it was almost done, the point at where the two ends were supposed to meet was on two separate planes?

    How about the UH softball stadium that was "unsuitable" because the seating not only forgot to ALLOW for a view of the playing field, but it actually OBSTRUCTED the view of the field?

    Add:

    HNL airport contracts,
    Ewa Villages Projects,
    liquor commission inspectors,
    a bunch of crooked politicians (Andy Mirikitani, Rene Mansho, Marshal Ige),
    and a few ruthless union thugs ( http://starbulletin.com/2002/11/20/news/story1.html )

    ...then shake well, and pour contents into a bowl.


    There, you have it:

    Hawaii's public business environment!

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    • #17
      Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

      Originally posted by Kittrick View Post
      They should refurbish the inside where the cars go and make it a floating casino so we the taxpayers can make our money back 12 miles (or whatever the international water boundaries are) out to sea. We paid for these boats, and we should at least use them!
      We didn't really pay for the boats, the feds did so the rest of America owns a piece of it too. We do however, own the barges. Maybe floating casinos 12 miles out?

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      • #18
        Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

        Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
        While some were responsible for the previous closure, by severely flaming posters with opposing perspectives, rather than staying on topic. No need for high horses here.
        That does it. I'm out of here.
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        That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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        • #19
          Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

          Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
          We didn't really pay for the boats, the feds did so the rest of America owns a piece of it too. We do however, own the barges. Maybe floating casinos 12 miles out?
          Floating barges 12 miles out to sea doesn't sound like my idea of a fun boat ride. A lot of people will get sick I bet.

          If the Superferry was to leave the state, it could move homeless/non-homeless people who wanted to leave Hawaii really fast wherever it was going. Like the FedEx of boats!

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          • #20
            Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

            Originally posted by Kittrick View Post
            If the Superferry was to leave the state, it could move homeless/non-homeless people who wanted to leave Hawaii really fast wherever it was going.
            I don't think it could do that. It doesn't have the on-board facilities to handle a lot of people that are going to stay on board for more than a day.

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            • #21
              Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

              Originally posted by helen View Post
              I don't think it could do that. It doesn't have the on-board facilities to handle a lot of people that are going to stay on board for more than a day.
              Plus, if the SuperFerry ran out of toilet paper or coffee during the trip would seriously be a bad thing! Especially if they were going far.

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              • #22
                Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

                Whenever seemingly "bad" things happen, I always think that they happen for a reason (same thing with "good" things). In this case, the good that is coming out of this is that the State has finally committed to do an EA on ALL the commercial boat harbors in the State, which means that the next enterprise that proposes a ferry system for the State (and I don't doubt there WILL be another one if not HSF, because the need has been expressed and demonstrated) will know what is expected prior to starting business. And best of all, passengers on all islands can be assured that the service is wanted and well planned for. I really don't think a big tent and Porta Potties is sufficient for a ferry terminal, I don't care which island you're talking about.

                If the Legislature is called into special session (which I can almost guarantee) and if they approve the action that they should have approved during the regular session (to let HSF run during the EA process), I don't doubt that Isaac Hall on Maui will be before the Hawai'i State Supreme Court again with another request for a preliminary injunction, which will tie the whole issue up for god knows how long.

                I really believe that Judge Cardoza did his best to be fair and to interpret the State laws in a fair manner. He sounded very tortured when he said that he realized what a huge economic impact his decision would make, but he also said no one---from the State, to HSF to the groups on Maui---disagreed that protecting the environment was important.

                Miulang

                P.S. Even after the State was told it had misinterpreted HRS343, they are still doing the same kinds of things in other places in Hawai'i. This Friday, there is a hearing regarding exempting Kukui Gardens from having to do an environmental assessment prior to any proposed redevelopment. When are the public servants going to learn their lesson?
                Last edited by Miulang; October 9, 2007, 12:53 PM.
                "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                • #23
                  Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

                  Originally posted by Kittrick View Post
                  I don't understand why the Superferry people didn't bother to do the EIS for all islands it was going to ahead of the boats arrival or when they were being built or even before that.
                  Because the state told them they didn't have to.

                  And, I repeat, yet again, it is just another boat. Nothing different. Why should only ONE boat, among THOUSANDS be required to comply with the law? Why not the thousands, too?

                  If the judge ruled that everybody who uses harbor facilities (Hey, the state built those other piers, too.) had to do this, then there would be no room for criticism. But this is being applied to only one boat. The rest can continue to operate with impunity.

                  Not fair.
                  Make trouble, have fun, do good stuffs.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

                    Originally posted by zztype View Post
                    If the judge ruled that everybody who uses harbor facilities (Hey, the state built those other piers, too.) had to do this, then there would be no room for criticism.
                    That's a rediculous oversimplification of the issues, zztype. Not EVERYBODY has a Superferry that requires $40 million harbor improvements just to accomodate it. (in fact most people don’t even have a boat half that size)

                    We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

                    — U.S. President Bill Clinton
                    USA TODAY, page 2A
                    11 March 1993

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                    • #25
                      Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

                      Originally posted by zztype View Post

                      If the judge ruled that everybody who uses harbor facilities (Hey, the state built those other piers, too.) had to do this, then there would be no room for criticism. But this is being applied to only one boat. The rest can continue to operate with impunity.

                      Not fair.
                      The problem is, he could only hand down a decision regarding Kahului Harbor and HSF. If HSF wants to sail, legally there's no reason why it can't go to Nawiliwili, except for incurring the wrath of the protestors, who, because of the Maui decision, will feel even more empowered and would turn out in greater numbers than ever. Oh yeah, and HSF saying it's all or nothing---no Maui, no Kaua'i either.

                      And I think the Legislature is finally getting it that they can't be loosey goosey about enforcing the laws anymore. They are commissioning a study on the impact of the cruise industry on Hawai'i to be conducted at the same time that they do the EA on the harbors. Next will come YB and Matson, unless the Legislature decides to revert to its passive/aggressive old ways. What the Maui hearing brought out was that yes, YB and Matson also need to be monitored more closely for the invasive species issue (whale strikes weren't an issue because the barges and cruise liners would never go as fast as HSF was proposing).

                      If the soon-to-be-laid off HSF employees are willing to leave the state for a job, I'm sure Hornblower (the company that actually hired most of the staff) would be able to find them good jobs on CONUS, since they are already trained.

                      Miulang
                      "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                      • #26
                        Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

                        Originally posted by Miulang View Post
                        P.S. Even after the State was told it had misinterpreted HRS343, they are still doing the same kinds of things in other places in Hawai'i. This Friday, there is a hearing regarding exempting Kukui Gardens from having to do an environmental assessment prior to any proposed redevelopment. When are the public servants going to learn their lesson?
                        Because HRS343 still permits it.

                        No good has come out of this at all. If a legislative session revised and cleaned up 343 of any ambiguity, then yes, some good came. But more bad occurred than good. You probably will not see any massive investment like go! or HSF for a very long time. It will still be the old boys club.

                        Does anyone know if the BC area of Canada can use these ferries? WA state? Otherwise, maybe the military? It be ironic if the Navy took possession and used them in the islands to move stuff.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

                          Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                          Does anyone know if the BC area of Canada can use these ferries? WA state? Otherwise, maybe the military? It be ironic if the Navy took possession and used them in the islands to move stuff.
                          Last week, one of the people high up in Army procurement in Hawai'i said if HSF wanted to bid on a contract to ferry personnel and equipment to Pohakuloa and back to Honolulu, they would be welcome to do so. Currently, the Army apparently uses YB. If the Stryker Brigade does end up being permanently stationed in Hawai'i (it's one of 3 finalists), then it would make sense to use the boat for that. But like you said, it would be beyond ironic as one of the protestors' fears would come true after all.

                          BC State Ferries might be able to use it; they lost the Queen of the North last year when it sank It wasn't a high speed ferry like HSF, but a huge ferry anyway. They've got this creaky ferry (I think it's the Queen of Prince Rupert) going between Prince Rupert and Skidegate in Haida Gwai'i that takes 8 hours (overnight) to cross the Hecate Strait. It would probably take half that long if HSF was operating up there and be way more comfortable.

                          Miulang
                          Last edited by Miulang; October 9, 2007, 01:22 PM.
                          "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                          • #28
                            Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

                            Originally posted by Miulang View Post
                            But like you said, it would be beyond ironic as one of the protestors fears would come true after all.
                            It would become a self fulfilling prophecy as the HSF then would still ply Hawaiian waters and be less subjected to scrutiny under the protection of the military? Though it might make sense for HSF because then they already have the crews in place so you might avoid laying off the entire 270 staff.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

                              Originally posted by TuNnL View Post
                              That's a rediculous oversimplification of the issues, zztype. Not EVERYBODY has a Superferry that requires $40 million harbor improvements just to accomodate it. (in fact most people don’t even have a boat half that size)
                              Everybody, meaning ALL harbor users, makes use of facilities constructed and maintained by the state. The state owns the harbor, not the businesses that use it. Sure, the state made $40 million in improvements to one pier. But they made hundreds of millions of dollars in improvements in all the harbors so that commercial vessels could dock, load and unload cargo and passengers.

                              None of those other guys had to stop sailing while an ES was done.

                              It's just another boat. One among hundreds, maybe thousands, which uses all our harbor facilities, daily, year-round.
                              Make trouble, have fun, do good stuffs.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 7

                                Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                                Otherwise, maybe the military? It be ironic if the Navy took possession and used them in the islands to move stuff.
                                THAT, would be a HOOT! ROFL!!!
                                Make trouble, have fun, do good stuffs.

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