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  • RIP: Andy Griffith

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lli9ABUFZCU

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    In the '50's he did a movie called "A Face in The Crowd" about a back woods boy who has the knack for charming TV audiences and goes on to become a huge star. The fame goes to his head. He irritates enough of his closest friends that one of them leaves a mic on when he is rambling on about how stupid his public is, and the rest goes pretty much like you might expect. I thought it was a very perceptive film. Mike Malloy said as much the night before last, he said it explained Glen Beck and the rest of the conservative talkers. It really was a very perceptive film, long ahead of its time.

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      How many spinoffs of The Andy Griffith Show were there?

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        Originally posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
        How many spinoffs of The Andy Griffith Show were there?
        Mayberry R.F.D. & Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. come to mind. Any others?

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          Originally posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
          How many spinoffs of The Andy Griffith Show were there?
          Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
          Mayberry R.F.D. & Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. come to mind. Any others?
          Heck, the Andy Griffith show was, itself, a spin-off of the Danny Thomas show.
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            Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
            Heck, the Andy Griffith show was, itself, a spin-off of the Danny Thomas show.
            Well...not really a "spin-off" in the traditional media sense of the term.

            Thomas was an executive producer (along with Sheldon Leonard) of the sitcom vehicle created for Griffith; it was already in development. In order to test audience response to the concept, the 2/15/1960 episode of Thomas's show was "Danny Meets Andy Griffith," with the basic setup created as a pilot episode. It was a hit with the viewers, but was still tweaked substantially before the premiere in October 1960.

            A "spin-off" is usually derived from one or more already existing works, that focuses, in particular, in more detail on one aspect of that original work. The Thomas episode was created to promote an in-the-works new sitcom, rather than one based on existing regular characters of his show.

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              Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
              A "spin-off" is usually derived from one or more already existing works, that focuses, in particular, in more detail on one aspect of that original work. The Thomas episode was created to promote an in-the-works new sitcom, rather than one based on existing regular characters of his show.
              To me, the essentials are all there and it's cut-and-dry. Andy Griffith played the character of Sheriff Andy Taylor on the Danny Thomas Show, prior to the creation of the Andy Griffith Show. Therefore, the A.G. Show is a spin-off of the D.T. Show. That Sheriff Taylor only made one apperance on D.T. makes no difference. Maude Finlay (played by Bea Arthur) only made a couple of apperances on All In The Family and was far from anything approaching a "regular" character on A.I.T.F. Yet, most people seem to accept the idea that Maude was a spin-off of A.I.T.F.
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                Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
                Well...not really a "spin-off" in the traditional media sense of the term.
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                • #9
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                  "A Face In The Crowd" was on TV last night. It did pack a heck of a message but truth is, Griffith's acting was first rate. His pleasant folksy character on Andy of Mayberry seems to have masked the fact that he was a powerful actor, more of a talent than I gave him credit for.

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                    Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
                    Andy Griffith played the character of Sheriff Andy Taylor on the Danny Thomas Show, prior to the creation of the Andy Griffith Show.
                    There's the flaw in the argument. The Andy Griffith Show was already "created" by Thomas and Leonard. It was already largely cast, the concept was in place, it was in pre-production with scheduled broadcast premiere in the fall of 1960. The Thomas episode was developed after (not prior to) the Griffith Show's creation - the latter simply had not yet begun to air.

                    But now, we're debating the semantics of "creation," which we could go back and forth on ad infinitum, so we'll just wisely "agree to disagree" once again - and save HT from another of our old back-n-forths, eh wot?

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                      Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
                      There's the flaw in the argument. The Andy Griffith Show was already "created" by Thomas and Leonard. It was already largely cast, the concept was in place, it was in pre-production with scheduled broadcast premiere in the fall of 1960. The Thomas episode was developed after (not prior to) the Griffith Show's creation - the latter simply had not yet begun to air.
                      Well, if we're going to be technical about it, your stated definition about a spin-off being something that focuses "more detail on one aspect of that original work" doesn't seem to fit the relationship between The Andy Griffith Show and Mayberry R.F.D. In fact, it was largely the opposite. Mayberry R.F.D. was, for the most part, a continuation of the A.G. Show with the bulk of the same cast of characters..... but without Andy Griffith. Rather than being a spin-off, the transition from the A.G. Show turning into Mayberry R.F.D. is more in line with an established TV series going through a process of re-titling or re-branding itself after a star actor has left a program. Examples of this would include Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman turning into Forever Fernwood after Louise Lasser's character was written out of the show. Or Valerie eventually turning into The Hogan Family after Valerie Harper was fired from the show and Sandy Duncan replaced her as the star.

                      Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
                      But now, we're debating the semantics of "creation," which we could go back and forth on ad infinitum, so we'll just wisely "agree to disagree" once again - and save HT from another of our old back-n-forths, eh wot?
                      Sounds like a good idea to keep things simple.
                      Last edited by Frankie's Market; July 6, 2012, 06:19 AM.
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                        sorry, duplicate post.
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                          Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
                          Well, if we're going to be technical about it, your stated definition about a spin-off being something that focuses "more detail on one aspect of that original work" doesn't seem to fit the relationship between The Andy Griffith Show and Mayberry R.F.D. In fact, it was largely the opposite. Mayberry R.F.D. was, for the most part, a continuation of the A.G. Show with the bulk of the same cast of characters..... but without Andy Griffith. Rather than being a spin-off, the transition from the A.G. Show turning into Mayberry R.F.D. is more in line with an established TV series going through a process of re-titling or re-branding itself after a star actor has left a program. Examples of this would include Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman turning into Forever Fernwood after Louise Lasser's character was written out of the show. Or Valerie eventually turning into The Hogan Family after Valerie Harper was fired from the show and Sandy Duncan replaced her as the star.
                          Good point - those cases (including Mayberry) really were revisions of the originals, rather than spin-offs. Would the change of All In The Family into Archie Bunker's Place be another example?

                          And since this post has nothing yet to do with Andy Griffith, let me correct that by saying mahalo to Kalalau for the posts about "A Face In The Crowd" - a truly fine example of Griffith's acting range, and a great recommendation for anyone who only knows of his "Sheriff Taylor" role.

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                            Originally posted by Kalalau View Post
                            "A Face In The Crowd" was on TV last night. It did pack a heck of a message but truth is, Griffith's acting was first rate. His pleasant folksy character on Andy of Mayberry seems to have masked the fact that he was a powerful actor, more of a talent than I gave him credit for.
                            I agree, that was a great film.

                            Another lesser-known performance where A.G. reveals the dark side of his acting range was Murder in Coweta County, where he co-stars with Johnny Cash. Because this is a 30 year old TV movie, it has largely been forgotten by the public. But it has been posted up on YouTube in multiple parts. If you find yourself enjoying A Face In The Crowd, then Murder in Coweta County is highly recommended.
                            Last edited by Frankie's Market; July 6, 2012, 08:14 PM.
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                              Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
                              Another lesser-known performance where A.G. reveals the dark side of his acting range was Murder in Coweta County,
                              It's hard to watch an actor with an all American image playing a bad guy. But, even comedians Martin Short and Carol Burnett played baddies on Law & Order.

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