Pot Culture: Making Friends in Hawaii

[kauaitita]

I have a somewhat "sensitive" question. Please dont give me stink eye for asking this-i am not being judgemental, just wanting to hear what yall have to say about this "issue". My sister who has been a resident on Kauai for 18 years (she's 37) tells me that if you dont smoke pakalolo you will find that you are left with a very small percentage of the population who you would feel comfortable getting to be closely acquainted with as friends, because such a majority do smoke pakalolo. (My sister doesnt partake in pakalolo. She does have a few very good friends, but not many, unlike me who has a big social circle where I live here on the mainland. Here, I dont know of a single person who does smoke pot, but then again, most of the people I know are government employees, mostly nurses, or soldiers and their wives..and of course we dont live in a place where pot is a big crop.
I am not a "prude" or "bible-thumper" or a big health nut. I like to drink socially, go to bars, and do smoke cigarettes (but trying to quit before I get out there cuz it's so anti-smoking everywhere in Hawaii compared to here in the "tobacco farming" country of the South). But I dont do drugs. Dont like them and plus I couldnt do them anyway-I am an RN and wouldnt risk my license to practice-nursing is how I make a living and my career is very important to me. I dont look down on the choices others make and am not judgemental, but I personally just wouldnt feel comfortable if I were at someones house and they were smoking pakalolo. I am thinking (I may be wrong), but being in the profession I am in, I might find a different set of "social circles" than my sister finds herself in-because I would be working with and networking with medical professionals....
So......my question is, will I really be very outcast because I dont smoke pot or what? I am a friendly warm happy person, and though I will be stoked to be finally living near my sister and family, I hope that I will find some friends too!
Mahalo for any opinions/advice/feedback! And I hope I aint getting any long distance stink eye ha ha, cuz sometimes ya know when you try to express yourself over the internet, it can come out sounding different!

[newroots]

i dont see why anyone would put you as an outcast just cuz you dont smoke herb. if your a sweet warm and loving person , you should get along just fine with the pakalolo people cuz they usually are that way too. i think

[Fondoo2]

Man I love grass,too bad I end up needing a bunch of meth/coke to go with it after awhile.Eight years clean/sober now though and know for a fact that there are plenty of sober people in HI

[sinjin]

So......my question is, will I really be very outcast because I dont smoke pot or what? I am a friendly warm happy person, and though I will be stoked to be finally living near my sister and family, I hope that I will find some friends too!

You want people who generally smoke to be at ease with you and at the same time say that you'd be uncomfortable in the house of a pot smoker. Lighten up, we're not recruiting. You need to see for yourself that someone can be solid and smoke.

[Glen Miyashiro]

I'm stunned. All these years and I never realized that those Kaua'i people are all a bunch of potheads.

[1stwahine]

I don't believe it! I have family there. I went to summers on Maui and Kauai...never seen anybody smoke in front of me! Home is Oahu...seen and did some smoking too. Next month, four years clean!

It's up to you whether or not you want to be associated with the likes of the "crowd." See for yourself, judge for what you see of your own eyes and ears. Social crowds and choosing one's friends are far less then the enticing of drugs to you from them.

Don't fret. You neva come yet. Above all, stay clean!

Auntie Lynn

[Fondoo2]

hey or just don't inhale,it works for presidents! He couldn't say if it twernt true cough cough.

[braddah_eds]

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT NOT ALL PEOPLE FROM KAUAI SMOKE THE CALI, SENSI, OR AS WE SAY IN HAWAII NEI PAKALOLO. I FOR ONE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE ALOT OF FRIENDS, AND YES MAJORITY OF THEM DO SMOKE WEED. I MYSELF AM STRONGER THAN THAT AND KEEP MY SENSES ABOUT ME AS I USE TO SMOKE GANJA AS A TEEN AND MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE. SO THERE IS A CRAVE FOR THE SMELL OF IT BUT I KEEP PUSHING FOR A CLEANER LIFE. WEED HAS DONE ALOT OF GOOD FOR ME IN THE PAST. THAT WAS THEN AND THIS IS NOW, I HAVE ENJOED WATCHING THE SILLY THINS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY MY FRINDS AND LAUGH ALONG WITH THEM. ON A SERIOUS NOTE, I HAVE ONE FRIEND WHO HAS CANCER FOR BOUT A YEAR AND IS CURRENTLY DOING VERY WELL AND MANAGING TO DO SO WITH THE USE OF SMOKING KAUAI'S FINEST KRYP. IT HAS SLOWED THE CANCER DOWN TREMENDOUSLY.SO THERE ARE GOOD TIMES AND GOOD PEOPLE HERE ON THE GARDEN ISLE. POINT IS: ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST BE YOURSELF AND MOST OF ALL RESPECT DA LOCALS.... PEACE, LOVE AND JAH BLESS. AAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHAAAAAAZZ ZZ!!! :cool:

[tutusue]

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY[...] :cool:
With all due respect, please don't 'say' it in all caps. Pretty puh-leeeze! So much harder to read. Thank you, mahaloz and all that.

[manoasurfer123]

MANAGING TO DO SO WITH THE USE OF SMOKING KAUAI'S FINEST KRYP. IT HAS SLOWED THE CANCER DOWN TREMENDOUSLY
I don't think it slows cancer down :p

How ever it can help a person recover and ease the pain from Chemotherapy, so I do see its medicinal purposes.

However, friends are friends for what they inspire you to become! If you have friends that inspire you to become a pothead...then I'd re-evaluate those friendships.

[kimo55]

yea. no caps. against all kine rules.
but i will add;
pot helps aleviate asthma.
(stopped mine, decades ago.)
helps cure cataracts.
and helps stop pain casued by cancer I hear.

[manoasurfer123]

(stopped mine, decades ago.)
helps cure cataracts.
and helps stop pain casued by cancer I hear.
and makes people type sentences that you almost have to be high to read! :p
j/k

[kimo55]

thats frum werking all nite on videos till 3 ayem and waking up with no cough ee yet.

[WindwardOahuRN]

I don't think it slows cancer down :p

How ever it can help a person recover and ease the pain from Chemotherapy, so I do see its medicinal purposes.



Some great side effects of marijuana for cancer patients are that it reduces nausea and increases appetite.

There is a derivative of marijuana that is prescribed for those symptoms called "Marinol." Controlled substance.

I have given it to both AIDS and cancer patients. IME, I've not seen it do wonders for either nausea or appetite.

Some patients have shared with me that pakalolo works much better for them. I'm all for that.

[manoasurfer123]

I have given it to both AIDS and cancer patients
Then as someone with obvious medical experience...

Do you have any facts that shows that it can "slow cancer down?"

Just curious... I'm all for medicinal use! :p And hey... I'd rather be a passenger in a car that someone was driving "Stoned" from Pakalolo then someone who has had 5 cups of coffee! :D

[MadAzza]

My sister who has been a resident on Kauai for 18 years (she's 37) tells me that if you dont smoke pakalolo you will find that you are left with a very small percentage of the population who you would feel comfortable getting to be closely acquainted with as friends, because such a majority do smoke pakalolo.


That is ridiculous. No, you don't need to smoke pot to make friends.

You just need to hand out lots of cash at social gatherings and you'll be fine.

[manoasurfer123]

I guess you could always carry papers on you...and still not partake and make friends with the ones who do smoke :eek:

[1stwahine]

That is ridiculous. No, you don't need to smoke pot to make friends.

You just need to hand out lots of cash at social gatherings and you'll be fine.

Or...tell um you going give um Whack Whacks! :p

Auntie Lynn :D

btw: Drugs of anykind is no good. Especially, ones that are Illegal! Buds are Illegal! :eek:

[Mataiva]

Aloha,

From personal experience, Bud-ONLY Smokers in Hawaii are the coolest people I know ~ I say "bud-only" because as shocking as it may sound, there are people who only smoke budz & don't contaminate themselves with synthetic drugs such as ICE, Cocaine, etc. :eek:

They just wanna be MELLOW ~ Remember Cheech & Chong?(up in smoke) . . . Mellooow. . . . Melloooow. . . .Mellooow. . . :p

Anyway (sorry 'bout the flash back there), The Bud-Only Smokers, really don't care if someone is cruisin' with them and choses NOT to smoke, in fact thats sometimes a good thing because that means MORE buds for them. :D , So I'm not sure what kind of people your sister is meeting, but I know one thing * " People from Hawaii don't like people who are "high maka maka", ask sister what that means later, or someone from this site can answer that for you.

Well thats my thought on the topic. Aloha and take care are enjoy your visit.

A hui hou,

Tristin T

P.S.

If you need a car during your stay, I can get you a great deal on any New or Used Vehicles

[WindwardOahuRN]

Then as someone with obvious medical experience...

Do you have any facts that shows that it can "slow cancer down?"



Nope. But frankly, if you have cancer and a toke now and then makes you feel better.....

[1stwahine]

Nope. But frankly, if you have cancer and a toke now and then makes you feel better.....

If I had a choice to use a toke to make me feel better ~ I still would not partake the use of Illegal Drugs. If I would get caught...I would spend the rest of my days in Prison? I no tink so.

I would take the pain. There are medications that doctors give to their patients to ease the pain and misery of illness.

Auntie Lynn

[kimo55]

If I would get caught...I would spend the rest of my days in Prison? I no tink so.
i no think so either aunty... that you would be tossed in the hoosegow.
For the rest of yer life?
Just for a lil toke to alleviate cancer pain.
c'mon.

[WindwardOahuRN]

If I had a choice to use a toke to make me feel better ~ I still would not partake the use of Illegal Drugs. If I would get caught...I would spend the rest of my days in Prison? I no tink so.

I would take the pain. There are medications that doctors give to their patients to ease the pain and misery of illness.

Auntie Lynn

Sorry if that came across wrong, Auntie.

I actually am for the legalization of marijuana for pain relief. Good heavens, if something works, it is worth investigating.

So, then, if legalized---would that be okay with you?

[1stwahine]

i no think so either aunty... that you would be tossed in the hoosegow.
For the rest of yer life?
Just for a lil toke to alleviate cancer pain.
c'mon.

An Illegal Drug is Illegal. Plain and simple. If caught, you take the chance of being sent to Prison or whatever the Judge says. I ain't taking no chance with my Life...whatever time is left. ;)

Nuff said.

Auntie Lynn

HAWAII POLICE DEPARTMENT
RULES AND REGULATIONS GOVERNING
INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVING THE MEDICAL AND RELIGIOUS
USE OF MARIJUANA
http://www.hawaiipolice.com/misc/medical_mj_rules.htm

[manoasurfer123]

So, then, if legalized---would that be okay with you?
Could have sworn it is legalized for medicinal purposes here in Hawaii as well as many other states. :p
shouldn't you have known that if you were already giving it to patients?

[WindwardOahuRN]

Could have sworn it is legalized for medicinal purposes here in Hawaii as well as many other states. :p
shouldn't you have known that if you were already giving it to patients?

I was not giving marijuana to patients.

What I've often given is the drug "Marinol" which contains an ingredient found in marijuana.

Found the rules regarding medicinal use of marijuana in Hawaii:

http://dpfhi.org/docs/MMJbook/

[WindwardOahuRN]

Sorry Auntie---I think we posted links to the same info at the same time.

So it is legal, for medicinal purposes only, if the proper protocol is followed.

[Palolo Joe]

There is a derivative of marijuana that is prescribed for those symptoms called "Marinol." Controlled substance.

I have given it to both AIDS and cancer patients. IME, I've not seen it do wonders for either nausea or appetite.
From what I understand, Marinol doesn't "work" because it's synthetic.

Marijuana comes from the earth, not a mix of chemicals in a lab. Amazing how tobacco is legal, yet studies show it's a definite health risk.

I've yet to see any research that proves there is a link between lung cancer and smoking herb.

[manoasurfer123]

Thanks for the link...

According to one of the circumstances that one needs to be legal to use marijuana is (2 - c) Severe Nausea.

So how does a doctor test for severe Nausea? :confused:

Can't that be something someone just goes in and says I always have a stomach ache... When I smoked marijuana... it makes me not so Nauseated? :p

Just curious... as hey... everyone has Nausea at some time in there life :rolleyes:

[1stwahine]

Sorry Auntie---I think we posted links to the same info at the same time.

So it is legal, for medicinal purposes only, if the proper protocol is followed.

If it was Legal. I still wouldn't take it. As a teenager in the 70's, my friends would smoke and I couldn't stand da smell. It made me SICK!!! :D

The brownies did too. :p

Auntie Lynn

[kimo55]

merinol.. huh.

a good example of the warped condition of the AMA and their principles.

je'like valium, prolly ALSO said to be a derivative of Valerian Root. Better you take valerian root instead of the synthetic drug industry supporting junk.

Marinol is the commercial name for a product containing dronabinol, which is synthetic ?9-tetrahydrocannabinol.

You want THC?
Get it from the "healthy" original natural source.
don't allow ANYone to fool you and say merinol is derived from actual marijuana.
It is a synthetic copy of. Not actually physically derived from.

[1stwahine]

Question. What Legal Drug do you recommend?

Auntie Lynn

[manoasurfer123]

I think we have remained fairly relevant to the first persons question.
So......my question is, will I really be very outcast because I dont smoke pot or what?

[Palolo Joe]

The only one that works. Alcohol. And lots of it.

Although I'm sure some of the ladies here would say chocolate. :D

To stay on topic... bring a cold pack instead of a dub-sack and you'll be just fine.

[manoasurfer123]

So I guess there is no medical people on HT that could help answer the question I asked earlier today regarding Nausea? :p
According to one of the circumstances that one needs to be legal to use marijuana is (2 - c) Severe Nausea. So how does a doctor test for severe Nausea?

I just watched Madazza's caterpillar video again... I'm feeling nauseous :rolleyes:

[Pua'i Mana'o]

aside from all of these tangents, I don't smoke pakalolo, nor does anyone in my orbit (and if they do, I have never seen them stoned or smelled it on them) and I interact with a loooooot of people, both blue and white collar. I don't buy the sister's statements at all.

[manoasurfer123]

and I interact with a loooooot of people, both blue and white collar.

and you know that they don't smoke pakalolo....what a laugh...

I know from personal experiences.... Plenty people in both blue and white collar jobs are smoking pakalolo here in Hawaii...

Pua'i are you sure their not in your orbit? :eek:

[tutusue]

and you know that they don't smoke pakalolo....what a laugh...

I know from personal experiences.... Plenty people in both blue and white collar jobs are smoking pakalolo here in Hawaii...

Pua'i are you sure their not in your orbit? :eek:
Why did you edit out this part of PM's sentence:
(and if they do, I have never seen them stoned or smelled it on them)

[manoasurfer123]

Good catch tutue...

thank you for noticing that... I forgot to include things like visine, breath mints, cigarettes, air fresheners, body (air fresheners), anti-drug kit's that allow for blatant urine samples to be deluted...etc...

[tutusue]

Good catch tutue...

thank you for noticing that... I forgot to include things like visine, breath mints, cigarettes, air fresheners, body (air fresheners), anti-drug kit's that allow for blatant urine samples to be deluted...etc...
Huh? Whose orbit are you in, Manoa?!

[manoasurfer123]

Tutue...

from my very first post on HT more than a thousand threads ago... I was blunt about my feelings about pakalolo. It was a political thread and directly related to me smoking pakalolo when I was in college... from the time I joined HT I have learned a lot... one of those things is sometimes you should just shut your mouth... guess I haven't learned yet;)

I have grown and learned from many postings here at HT.

A doctor told me in 1975 that my mom would die from cancer! My mom has had 4 seperate forms of cancer since then... the most recent relapse being less than 8 months ago.

What orbit I'm from...the orbit of trying to make everyone chill on people that use pakalolo for assisting with their chemo shots....

and attempting to learn more about marijuana... and the views of others on the subject.

I do have a vested interest in the subject as my mom has used pakalolo to help her in her recovery...

[tutusue]

I was replying to your post #39 in my post #40...the part that states:
I forgot to include things like visine, breath mints, cigarettes, air fresheners, body (air fresheners), anti-drug kit's that allow for blatant urine samples to be deluted...etc...
I will not make light of or address what your mom has been thru. I currently have a very close friend afflicted with the same illness. I have no idea how your list above relates to you editing out an important part of PM's post then getting snarky with the edited quote. Hence, the reason behind my asking whose orbit you were/are in. IOW, it didn't make any bloody sense to me. 'Nuff said.

[1stwahine]

Manoa, The world doesn't spin only around you. It's not only about YOU!!!!!! hELLOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Hellllloooooooooooooooooo!! Nanu Nanu Manoa. Nanu Nanu.

Auntie Lynn

[manoasurfer123]

your joking right auntie... i thought the world was around me:D

It's been an interesting day at HT... I get the love I get the Hate...

Over at someones blog... I get the same!

I love HT! God bless all of you guys that know me personally and those that know me as the resident HT ass...

Geez Kimo you must love the pressure taken off of you .... or do we both get it!

Love you guys!!!

Manoa

[Queenolu]

I just wanted to say.... with all these going back and forth....

The original poster of this thread has since moved to Hawai'i and decided to move back to the Mainland......

She was in Kauai only for a few months.... she didn't like it there and decided to move back.


Aloha to everyone... take it easy...

[MadAzza]

Thanks for the update! It's always interesting to hear the end of the story.

[alohatim]

My very first impressions of Kauai people still hold true today: They are a very warm and accepting people. At first, I was skeptical. Ok, maybe I was just lucky to run into some good people. Maybe these folks were being nice for some ulterior motivation. I very quickly learned that this genuine warmness was pervasive. It seemed that EVERYBODY was like this. I feel so lucky to have encountered and made friends with these wonderful peoples.

I agree with sentiments mentioned earlier about the nature of the drug. I find it hard to imagine a person being outcast by potsmokers. It is not a thing that makes you aggressive like caffeine or steroids or nicotine or even alcohol. I have images of "Refer Madness" in my head.

BTW, Madazza: I miss your tag line "If you are not paying my bar tab, you are part of the problem". That always made me smile. It seemed kind of appropriate for this thread.

[Whitepoint3rchum]

Well, this is kinda late but what does it matter if they did smoke pakalolo. You can still be friends with people who engage in such activities, you just don't have to be around when they do it. Almost 90% of my friends smoke the herb, but I've told them it's not my cup of tea and I'd like them to respect my decision as a person not to smoke it. I don't have any trouble with them. This seems like a reasonable approach, however I'm not versed on the prevalance of Kaua'i's pakalolo use but would refusing to partake/being friends with the individuals otherwise not be accepted in Kaua'i? < That doesn't seem logical to me, so I woulda suggested you just be your own person, just cause they smoke doesn't make em bad either.

[kimo55]

smoke da herb is a private personal preference thang. I... don't care the religion or sexual preference or at home drug taking habits or preferences of people i meet and know... That's private and i don't judge them by it. I suppose i would know that more of my friends/acquaintances partook in da spleef if i smoked. ... but ainokea.

[Menehune Man]

A friend with weed is a friend indeed! :D

[manoasurfer123]

Go back to your street corner menehune ;)

[Menehune Man]

Go back to your street corner menehune ;)

That along with my previous post were things I did quite a long time ago! ;)

[MadAzza]

whoops ... double post, but I messed this one up, so ... this one goes.

[MadAzza]

BTW, Madazza: I miss your tag line "If you are not paying my bar tab, you are part of the problem". That always made me smile. It seemed kind of appropriate for this thread.

Thanks! That's nice to hear. I don't remember when or why I got rid of it. Must've been one of those late-night whims. Same way I got it.

[timkona]

I like to drink socially, go to bars, and do smoke cigarettes (but trying to quit before I get out there cuz it's so anti-smoking everywhere in Hawaii compared to here in the "tobacco farming" country of the South). But I dont do drugs.

Cognitive Dissonance at its finest. Talk about stupid !!!!!!!!!

Speed kills. Drink Coffee.
I mean, Just Say No to Drugs, like cigarettes, aspirin, and alcohol.
I mean, when I was a kid, a frying egg was a good thing.

I'm so confused.

< with a Homer drool face> MMMMMm Brownies

I've said it before. I'll say it again. The War on Drugs is a farce in a country where the use of various types of drugs is nearly 100% in the populace.

If drugs were legal, would you start?
Do you think a user ever stopped cuz of law?
See the problem?

Logic is a dish best served with a hammer and a nail.

[manoasurfer123]

I'm still looking for a freaking medical expert to answer my question regarding how da heck they can prove someone "DOESN'T HAVE NAUSEA"

Manoa frustrated to the lack of response to my question....

Looked it up ... no can find online!!! anyone else can at least share a link?

[CranBeree]

manoa, have you ever gone through a chemotherapy session?

[manoasurfer123]

Nope never had chemo...

My mom has received it during two seperate times....

once in 1975 when Marijuana benefits weren't known...

and once in 2006 when they were known...

Her recovery for her was much easier with Pakalolo the second time.

[CranBeree]

did she take it because it alleviated her nausea during sessions? and if so, wouldn't that answer your question?

[MadAzza]

If I may interject ...

I thought Manoa was asking how a doctor or some outside person decides who gets marijuana; how does the doctor know how nauseated the patient feels? What if the doctor is an a-hole and doesn't believe the patient is nauseated "enough" to get marijuana? Then a patient who should get relief for his/her nausea is denied it, because medical marijuana has this absurd stigma and controversy attached to it. But ruining your liver with alcohol is perfectly fine.

That's what I thought he was asking. (Well, except for the last part, where I rant characteristically albeit briefly.)

Sorry if I'm mistaken, Manoa. Just throwing my two cents in.

[CranBeree]

damnit, you mean i could have asked for marijuana from my doctor???? :D

[oceanpacific]

I thought Manoa was asking how a doctor or some outside person decides who gets marijuana; how does the doctor know how nauseated the patient feels? What if the doctor is an a-hole and doesn't believe the patient is nauseated "enough" to get marijuana? Then a patient who should get relief for his/her nausea is denied it, because medical marijuana has this absurd stigma and controversy attached to it. But ruining your liver with alcohol is perfectly fine.

The patient should consider getting another doctor ..........

[Miulang]

OK, Manoa, here's some more info on nausea (http://www.emedicinehealth.com/vomiting_and_nausea/page3_em.htm) (mainly the barfing up when there's no food in your stomach is probably the main reason why people seek treatment) and an article about how THC (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/medical-marijuana/GA00014) (the chemical component of marijuana) supposedly works on the brain to control nausea (and sometimes pain).

Miulang

[pzarquon]

Miulang, are you even reading what others are posting? Manoa wasn't in any way questioning the assertions that marijuana helps with nausea. He even mentions it helped his mother deal with chemotherapy. He was just saying that it seemed odd for a doctor to decide what symptoms are real, since you'd think a patient would know best whether they're nauseated or not.

As to the original poster... I wonder if the early departure from Kauai was the result of the supposedly dominant "pot culture" or anything else? I do remember being told the same thing when I considered relocating to Portland...

I don't mind pot use among friends (er, if any of them used pot... ahem...), but I'm not fond of it in a group, social scenario. Not because I have any moral or health objections, but mostly because everyone thinks things are far more brilliant or funny than they really are. I'm sure, as with alcohol, I'd probably "get it" if I partook, but alas, I'm usually stuck playing the "straight man" to their lame jokes. :D

[Miulang]

Miulang, are you even reading what others are posting? Manoa wasn't in any way questioning the assertions that marijuana helps with nausea. He even mentions it helped his mother deal with chemotherapy. He was just saying that it seemed odd for a doctor to decide what symptoms are real, since you'd think a patient would know best whether they're nauseated or not.

Doctors control the treatment, simple as that. That's why lots of patients "doctor shop", going from doctor to doctor, trying to get the answer they want to hear. Some doctors are more sympathetic and patient-centric than others.

Miulang

[manoasurfer123]

So how does a doctor determine that you are nauseated enough to make it legal for you to smoke pakalolo?

Still no answers?

If this is the case... couldn't anyone walk in to a clinic that does prescribe marinol... and say... "I'm always nauseated" can I get a Medical Card that will allow me to possess and smoke marijuana.

According to 2-C Severe Nausea makes for legal grounds....

So what is Severe Nausea and who determines it....

(sorry if I'm getting reduntant in this post... I'm just waiting for a person with some medical experience to answer this)

[Miulang]

So how does a doctor determine that you are nauseated enough to make it legal for you to smoke pakalolo?

Still no answers?

If this is the case... couldn't anyone walk in to a clinic that does prescribe marinol... and say... "I'm always nauseated" can I get a Medical Card that will allow me to possess and smoke marijuana.

According to 2-C Severe Nausea makes for legal grounds....

So what is Severe Nausea and who determines it....

(sorry if I'm getting reduntant in this post... I'm just waiting for a person with some medical experience to answer this)
Manoa, it's a very subjective thing. If you go to one doctor and tell him that you've got the dry heaves from chemo and you're in pain and that doctor believes in medical marijuana as a treatment, then he will prescribe it. You go to another doctor who doesn't believe in medical marijuana and he'll tell you to take a hike even if you're doubled over in pain and puking your guts out. The feds say possessing marijuana is illegal, which should mean that it is illegal in all states, but because of the states' rights thing, some states have said it is their right to allow medical marijuana.

Apparently, prescribed medical marijuana is legal in the State. Here is a definition (http://www.hawaiipolice.com/misc/medical_mj_rules.htm) of the amount and the reasons why it may be prescribed (from a police standpoint, anyway):

"...II. DEFINITIONS

A. "Adequate supply" means an amount of marijuana jointly possessed between the qualifying patient and the primary caregiver that is not more than is reasonably necessary to assure the uninterrupted availability of marijuana for the purpose of alleviating the symptoms or effects of a qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition; provided that an "adequate supply" shall not exceed three mature marijuana plants, four immature marijuana plants, and one ounce of usable marijuana per each mature plant (Hawaii Revised Statutes Section 329-121).

B. "Debilitating medical condition" means:

1. Cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, or the treatment of these conditions;

2. A chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces one or more of the following:

(a) Cachexia or wasting syndrome;

(b) Severe pain;

(c) Severe nausea;

(d) Seizures, including those characteristic of epilepsy; or

(e) Severe and persistent muscle spasms, including those characteristic of multiple sclerosis or Crohn's disease; or

3. Any other medical condition approved by the Department of Health pursuant to administrative rules in response to a request from a physician or potentially qualifying patient (Hawaii Revised Statutes Section 329-121)."

You still have to find a doctor who is willing to prescribe it, though, and not all docs will. And pain and nausea (or its intensity) is dependent on the individual patient, too. Some people have more tolerance to pain and nausea than others. When doctors try to gauge the pain or nausea level of a patient, they usually ask the patient to rate the pain/nausea on a scale of 0-5 or 0-10 scale. Here's one reference on how to determine your personal pain scale (http://www.wemsi.org/painscale.html). Hope this helps you get closer to the answer you're looking for (at least in Hawai'i)!


Miulang

P.S. Using that Mankoski scale, my guess is your pain and nausea have to be at least an 8 before they would consider prescribing medical marijuana.

[manoasurfer123]

Miulang - this still does not answer my question.

You can be nauseated with out having Chemo...

I get Severely Nauseated by reading some of my past threads :D

So according to 2-C, I could legally use marijuana if it were prescribed.

My question is... HOW does a DOCTOR VERIFY that you have Severe Nausea?

Are there blood tests, Stool Samples, etc...?

I simply can't figure out how a Doctor is able to tell whether one has Nausea enough to determine whether prescribing Pakalolo might help the situation in itself.

As the law is currently written... One does not have to be on Chemotherapy... one simply just needs to have "Severe Nausea"

[1stwahine]

I simply can't figure out how a Doctor is able to tell whether one has Nausea enough to determine whether prescribing Pakalolo might help the situation in itself.

As the law is currently written... One does not have to be on Chemotherapy... one simply just needs to have "Severe Nausea"

Vomit on the Fck..blank blank Doctor!!! :rolleyes:

Auntie Lynn :p

[Miulang]

As the law is currently written... One does not have to be on Chemotherapy... one simply just needs to have "Severe Nausea" And if you read the last part of my last post, I told you the doctors use a pain/nausea scale of 0-10 (0=no problems to 10="I wanna kill myself because I am totally disabled by my pain and nausea"). Everybody experiences pain and nausea differently, some people are more "tough" than others. If you have chronic pain (like from a back injury) and you tell the doc it's an 8 or higher on a pain scale (http://www.wemsi.org/painscale.html) of 0-10 and you're allergic to codeine lidat, if he believes medical marijuana will help you, he might prescribe it for you. He'd probably have less of an issue with it if you didn't insist on the marijuana or oxycontin up front because he would immediately think you were a doper. :eek:

Miulang

P.S. for more makule kine people and keiki, they also use
a "faces (http://www.geriatric-resources.com/html/faces_pain_assessment_scale.html)" pain scale. Which one you like use to describe your pain to your doc?

[manoasurfer123]

So Miulang your saying you get the opportunity to self-assess your nausea...

therefore anyone who wants could literally say... Oh doctor... I'm in pain... my stomach hurts... you know anything that will help?

I dunno...it just seems like it's to easy then to "Break Federal Law" by self assessment!

[Miulang]

So Miulang your saying you get the opportunity to self-assess your nausea...

therefore anyone who wants could literally say... Oh doctor... I'm in pain... my stomach hurts... you know anything that will help?

I dunno...it just seems like it's to easy then to "Break Federal Law" by self assessment!
Well, you and your doc have to agree on the definitions first. Medical science hasn't come up yet with a way to quantatively evaluate the severity of pain or nausea (as in hooking you up to a machine). People are working on that, though.

For now, no one can know the severity of your pain better than you. What the doctors are looking for is how much that pain/nausea is affecting the quality of your life. They'll give you the strong stuff if you tell them that you're totally disabled by your pain or nausea. But they will also try weaker stuff first to see if those work. If you told your doctor your pain was so debilitating and it kept you bedridden (and especially if you had someone who could verify that) you'd probably get the painkiller.

Unfortunately, in some areas of medicine, it still is an arcane art rather than a science, and I think that's true with pain/nausea management. This causes real pilikia for people, especially the ones with chronic back pain. My bro was injured in a head on accident with an taxi cab driver who had no insurance. He works for the post office so when he tried to get some medical treatments paid for by the post office, he had to go see a post office designated shrink. The shrink told him "it's all in your head" and refused to allow payment or medical treatment for my bro. Consequently, 7 years later, he's still in constant pain, walks all kapakahi and gets angered easily because of his pain. (The shrink asked my SIL if my bro had any firearms at home, and she said he had a rifle. So the shrink told her to hide it, just in case... :mad: )

The last thing you want to do when you go see a doctor about chronic pain, though, is to immediately ask for the pain killers. And I especially wouldn't do this if you've never seen the doctor before. Docs take this as a sign of potential addiction. Unless you're a terminal cancer patient, they are pretty stingy when it comes to the high powered pain killers.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

I have chronic pain up the yang yangs. I scream in agony most of the times. I refuse to take narcotics due to my past history. I take Naproxen 500mg. x2 per day if I have pain. It is sufficient.

Every person is different. Every person has their breaking points. Sometimes I turn to alcohol...now I can't even do that. :( No matter. I take the pain and if it gets to the point when I can't take it no more then I have to do what I dread ~ take narcotics to ease the pain once again.

Ahhh..the irony. Get high legally to make the pain go away.

Yipppeeeeee!

I like go doctor now to feel better. :p

Alas, bumby I no can type on da computa. :eek:

Auntie Lynn

[manoasurfer123]

Huh?
I refuse to take narcotics due to my past history.
a few sentences later...
I take the pain and if it gets to the point when I can't take it no more then I have to do what I dread ~ take narcotics to ease the pain once again.
Auntie... you either do or you don't! Bi-polar in one thread... never saw that one from you yet!;)

[1stwahine]

Huh?

a few sentences later...

Auntie... you either do or you don't! Bi-polar in one thread... never saw that one from you yet!;)

Yeah, I had a rough night! I'm in Pain. I'm MANIC. And?

Badda You?

Don't Let it!!!!!!! :p

Hmmmm...see you laterz my darlings. I'm going to da doctors.

Yipppeeee!

Auntie Lynn :D

[manoasurfer123]

Since the name of this thread got changed... I gotta ask...

Did anyone ever try that Sub shop that was across from Zanzabar called "Maui Wowie Subs" before they closed down?

Those subs were pretty good... and the names for the sizes of sandwiches cracked me up.... One of them was named the "Blunt" :p

[blueyecicle]

So why is it that when I went on vacation that several tour guides talked about "Maui Wowee" and a few other terms I was unfamiliar with?

I am not naive :o I am just curious...is it that prevelant?

I live in Oregon after all! I think we have some in every yard here!

[Miulang]

So why is it that when I went on vacation that several tour guides talked about "Maui Wowee" and a few other terms I was unfamiliar with?

I am not naive :o I am just curious...is it that prevelant?

I live in Oregon after all! I think we have some in every yard here!
Maui Wowee for the drug crowd is supposed to be primo bud raised in the forests of lower Haleakala. "Maui Wow Wee (http://www.mauiwowwee.com/order.html)" for everybody else is a brand of chocolate bars that can be found in the islands (most frequently at Hilo Hattie)! :D

Miulang

[nachodaddy]

Don't forget about the 70's strain called Kona Gold.

Plus.........

Ganja, Ishence, Sleng teng, Cashi, Collie, Chronic, Blunt, Sensi, Bhang, Green, Weed, Cannabis, leaf, Indica, Reefer, Grass, Spliff, THC, Bud, Pot, Ganja, Herb, Wisdom Weed, 13, Smoke, Kaya, Buddha, Thai, Hash,Backyard boogie, Home grown, stash, Bush, Mary Jane and Lambsbread and my favorite.....

"dude, are you going to finish that hot dog?"

[blueyecicle]

Don't forget about the 70's strain called Kona Gold.

Plus.........

Ganja, Ishence, Sleng teng, Cashi, Collie, Chronic, Blunt, Sensi, Bhang, Green, Weed, Cannabis, leaf, Indica, Reefer, Grass, Spliff, THC, Bud, Pot, Ganja, Herb, Wisdom Weed, 13, Smoke, Kaya, Buddha, Thai, Hash,Backyard boogie, Home grown, stash, Bush, Mary Jane and Lambsbread and my favorite.....

"dude, are you going to finish that hot dog?"

Ok so those were all the other ones he mentioned and I had forgotten already!
You can only soak in so much in 2 weeks time!!

Oregon has many names for it too!! Mostly I hear MEDICAL :p

[manoasurfer123]

Ganja, Ishence, Sleng teng, Cashi, Collie, Chronic, Blunt, Sensi, Bhang, Green, Weed, Cannabis, leaf, Indica, Reefer, Grass, Spliff, THC, Bud, Pot, Ganja, Herb, Wisdom Weed, 13, Smoke, Kaya, Buddha, Thai, Hash,Backyard boogie, Home grown, stash, Bush, Mary Jane and Lambsbread
I have honestly never heard of 12 of those... I guess I learn something every day...
You forgot or haven't heard of Puna Buddah, hootie, and of course the most common one I heard growing up Alaskan Thunderf***!

[blueyecicle]

I have honestly never heard of 12 of those... I guess I learn something every day...
You forgot or haven't heard of Puna Buddah, hootie, and of course the most common one I heard growing up Alaskan Thunderf***!

HEY one I do know The Alaskan one! I must be close enough to Alaska to have heard that!

[manoasurfer123]

Well I used to live in between you and Alaska and the Alaska Ferry came in to Bellingham as it's main Port... I was in High School then and so thus... thats what seemed to be around then! :D

[manoasurfer123]

I never heard the term "420" on the mainland. Then I moved here...and heard it all the time... didn't know what it meant for almost half a year...just always saw the numbers....till I asked someone.
And only tonight I wikipedia the term.... I found out it's been around since the 70's :eek:
The origin of the term "420" is the subject of some dispute and much speculation, and so no theory can be said conclusively to be correct, but the term seems to have first come into popular usage in the early 1970s.
I feel so out of it :o I wonder if Scriveners kids laugh when a math problem equates to 420 also! :eek:

[blueyecicle]

I never heard the term "420" on the mainland. Then I moved here...and heard it all the time... didn't know what it meant for almost half a year...just always saw the numbers....till I asked someone.
And only tonight I wikipedia the term.... I found out it's been around since the 70's :eek:

I feel so out of it :o I wonder if Scriveners kids laugh when a math problem equates to 420 also! :eek:

Well you haven't lived in Oregon then!! 420 is the capital in this damn town!! I learned that about age 5! Stickers...restaraunts....signs! Everywhere!

[Leo Lakio]

Where I grew up, the strain of i-o-juana (the term is a blend of "Iowa" + "marujuana") was notoriously weak (sinsemilla had not yet taken "root" across the continent), so it was common to mix it with better quality pot, in order to make your stash last longer - it was generally called "Marijuana Helper." :eek:

[blueyecicle]

Where I grew up, the strain of i-o-juana (the term is a blend of "Iowa" + "marujuana") was notoriously weak (sinsemilla had not yet taken "root" across the continent), so it was common to mix it with better quality pot, in order to make your stash last longer - it was generally called "Marijuana Helper." :eek:
LMAO you can't be serious! I have never heard anything like that before! :eek:

[Leo Lakio]

LMAO you can't be serious! I have never heard anything like that before! :eek:Quite serious - it was very weak stuff in the mid-1970s. Strains like that, with their low THC content, were long ago replaced by much stronger stuff.
I wonder if they use the older, weaker strains for making hemp products instead?

[blueyecicle]

I don't know ! Here they use actual HEMP because it is sold everywhere! Purses,shirts,necklaces..you name it! I swear this is the Hemp capital!

They sell it at every flea market and every parade. We even have a "Hemp Celebration" But they caught to many people smokin da "hemp" and closed it early!

[burnt_bean]

Does anyone support the decriminalization of Cannibis use(religiously, medicinally, or recreationally)? Would you push for reform? It would probably do better at the Federal level than trying to legalize only medicinal use(if anyone still even cares about the federal gov't). Personally, I can't really choose a position.

As for Kauai people, I knew a man from there that grew MANY MANY plants on his porch(here in OK). He even got his underage, youngest daughter in on growing. He was really sweet and friendly, but when it came to weed, it dominated his life. It was hard for some of his family. When I tried to hang out with him, there was always that "shady" presence just because I didn't smoke.

Cannibis is an amazing plant. I wish it wasn't as big as a problem as it is, but it is what it is because of certain users and suppliers(greed, the system, etc. that's a whole different rabbit hole).

If only users could gauge what they consume, then everyone could get along. Sometime's it's better to let your feet get tickled ;) than tread through a forest.

[Menehune Man]

Used to looove those four finger bags from Papakolea. You know da guy sitting on the wall and you just drove up and got as many as you wished for cheap. Ahhh those were the days. ;)
Hey anybody remember "Honey Boy" from Punaluu? Selling choice woven hats on the side of the road along with what most of "us" wanted. :D

[kimo55]

how much coss? fiedollah? tendollah?!
Waiks side mid seventies was cheep.
kilo fifty box. and da samoan balalahs make you buy um.

[Menehune Man]

One finga five
Two finga ten
Foa finga twenty
Geez wot'chu speck anyway?

[Palolo Joe]

AKA Nickel Bags... :cool:

[Menehune Man]

Yeah, though back then only twenty's would do. :D

[tikiyaki]

My $.02...

You never see a roomfull of stoned people get into a fight...
Can the same be said for people under the influence of alcohol?
You rarely see an aggro stoned person. Someone drinking gin or tequila...different story.

I'm all for legalization...medicinal or otherwise, and I RARELY smoke.
For me it's great when you're really stressed out or can't sleep...so for me it's medicinal.

Whether or not it's a "gateway drug" is debatable (sp?)...Even tho' I've smoked pot, I personally have never even tried coke, heroin, crack or LSD...and that's a alot coming from someone playing in rock n roll bands my entire life....
Always afraid of the addiction factor of those harder drugs. Now if I could only cure that nasty choclate addiction :-/

[blueyecicle]

my theory...if you are going to be addicted to something you will be legal or not!

I don't know if I like the legalization or not there are too many "ifs".

I have tried Crack,coke,pot,speed. Nothing stuck. Don't do anything now. But I know people who have tried it once and never stop! But then again they are all illegal still. If they were legal maybe they would have never tried em and maybe they would have!

Hate the governement being in the way of it but maybe it needs to be there too!

Too many "ifs" for my empty pink head!! :D

[1stwahine]

my theory...if you are going to be addicted to something you will be legal or not!

True. And if you are addicted to something it's best to get HELP asap. Take responsibility and never look back.

Taking hold of one's Life is AWESOME!!! ;)

Auntie Lynn

[manoasurfer123]

I have tried Crack,coke,pot,speed. Nothing stuck
I tried speed too in High School....

Not fun!!! Just got all sweaty! I hope it was just speed :eek:

[Leo Lakio]

And if you are addicted to something it's best to get HELP asap.Doesn't have to be drugs or alcohol, either. We all have our addictions that we have to battle; some are just more destructive than others. (And some can be downright fun...)

[manoasurfer123]

In the last 3-4 months I've been taking heavy doses of HaTh :p








HawaiiThreads...der....

[Leo Lakio]

In the last 3-4 months I've been taking heavy doses of HaTh :pYeah - lot o' that one goin' around...

[diegorob]

That is ridiculous. No, you don't need to smoke pot to make friends.

You just need to hand out lots of cash at social gatherings to Diegorob and you'll be fine.

sorry, but I noticed a small error in your text...so I fixed it...you're welcome in advance :D :D :D

[manoasurfer123]

I found my answer... kind of... j/k
"Trees are stripped for medicinal bark"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060809/ap_on_re_us/stripping_trees
The gummy lining of the bark has long been used in North America, and especially Appalachia, as a soothing agent for coughs, gastrointestinal ailments and skin irritations.

Anyone try this?

[Leo Lakio]

Anyone try this?Gnaw. :D

Easier form: slippery elm lozenges.

[manoasurfer123]

An interesting article on Chemo and that it may not be helping!
Younger breast cancer patients seem to suffer more serious side effects from chemotherapy than previously thought. Roughly one in six of those women wind up at the emergency room or hospitalized because of such side effects as infection, low blood counts, dehydration or NAUSEA, researchers reported Tuesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060815/ap_on_he_me/breast_cancer

[manoasurfer123]

Reviving this thread...

as I was hung over after the get together yesterday and felt nauseated....

anyone have the best cure for a hangover?

Someone told me weed was a good cure for that!

I'm not asking if someone has weed :eek: just wondering about nausea cures in general after yesterday!

[WindwardOahuRN]

Reviving this thread...

as I was hung over after the get together yesterday and felt nauseated....

anyone have the best cure for a hangover?



Time. Plain ol' Time. Works. Every Time... :D

[blueyecicle]

Reviving this thread...

as I was hung over after the get together yesterday and felt nauseated....

anyone have the best cure for a hangover?

Someone told me weed was a good cure for that!

I'm not asking if someone has weed :eek: just wondering about nausea cures in general after yesterday!

A Beer and aspirin! :D

[manoasurfer123]

OH WILLY!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_en_mu/people_willie_nelson
1 and a half pounds of marijuana is a bit more then needed for medicinal purposes!

[Lei K]

A Beer and aspirin! :D

I hear Midol works for a hangover too.

[Got2HaVKaYaNoW]

Whoa...what a thread....I just found this one..and actually read most of the posts....amazing..hmm...
Speaking strictly off the initial thread ~ about someones sister said you need to smoke POT, LOL~its funny calling it pOT...I don't call it POT..do u?N-E way..in order to make friends...
If you smoke weed, then you'll find out there are MANY different types of people who smoke too. I worked for a big company & told someone I smoke ~ he said he did too..then slowly alot of people said they smoked regularly. Then meeting more people you find out, state workers, even *scary to say* educators,lifeguards,office people,fastfood restaurant people~ alot of people actually smoke.(I'm NOT saying all of the mentioned DO smoke,lets not get all HAWBOOT)
Now if you DON'T smoke ~ NO BIGGIE! I've never met a fellow budsmoker who...how do you say?...did the whole peer pressure thing on someone..."whoa try it maan.." Everyones doin' it..." ahh, don't be such a square"...LOL, I'm thinkin' of the most lamest lines possible...* I mean if theres someone rollin' wit' my a my friendz, like a newby to the bunch ~ & we end up all burnin' and they say that they don't smoke ~ GRreat, they've just appointed themselves the "DD*" for the night. & another great point is that, that means more budz for me!!

* Designated Driver

Anyway this topic is fun, I like this one...Sionara Muchachos!!KaYa T.

[Mahi Waina]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][B][COLOR=Green]Whoa...what a thread....I just found this one..and actually read most of the posts....amazing..hmm...
Speaking strictly off the initial thread ~ about someones sister said you need to smoke POT, LOL~its funny calling it pOT...I don't call it POT..do u?N-E way..in order to make friends...


Like, heavy man..................




What were we talking about?

[manoasurfer123]

Posted by Timkona

3 cups of coffee, about 2-3 beers, an occasional aspirin, and a puff or two sometimes before yardwork on the weekends, or before a long run.

TK -

You are the second person that now tells me that they have a puff or two before going on a long run...(the first person actually runs marathons HIGH)

What is it with smoking before a run? I would think it would make you tire out faster?

Just wondering?

[jayvinton]

My mom died at 84 with colon cancer, this was in 1995. Her chemo was terrible. At the time I was a large consumer of the herb in my home state of Texas. After one particularly nasty chemo bout, with her miserable in bed, I said, try this.

She at first staunchly refused due to her very religious upbringing and life, however she was desperate. We blazed. She felt better, if for only a little bit.

We only did it once, she passed a few days later, but just for that little bit, she was giddy, and pain and nausea free. Just for the little blessings sometime. I didn't need a medical study to see it, if she had had a medical form she would have had at least a better quality of her last days.

Now that I live in Hawaii, I have partaken on occasion, but I find myself thinking about seeing myself driving to someplace west to get it and I suddenly become part of the problem. I didn't come here to denegrate the land and society and don't want to be a contributor to that. I love it. But at 58, I can't do it, my body tells me so, that is all I need to know.

[Palolo Joe]

Now that I live in Hawaii, I have partaken on occasion, but I find myself thinking about seeing myself driving to someplace west to get it and I suddenly become part of the problem. I didn't come here to denegrate the land and society and don't want to be a contributor to that.
How does smoking weed make you "part of the problem" here in Hawaii?

It's the crystal meth, not the marijuana, that's screwing everyone up.

And you don't need to go to the Leeward side to buy your pot. There are people island-wide who sell it, from street corners of Hawaii Kai to the nicest office buildings in downtown Honolulu. It's not just Waianae, Waimanalo or the North Shore.

[manoasurfer123]

My mom recently got another form of cancer....

Hopefully, if all goes well... I will be able to find her some pot on the Big Island the next time I visit.

One of the difficult things for people like my mom who can obtain Medical cards... is that they are often too shame to look about and find it....

My mom will smoke it when her chemo shots kick in... however, she wants me to find her some before hand....

No worries... I get plenty ohana on the big island that can point me in the right direction...

I just think it is shameful that Hawaii will allow medical users to possess... but literally make it to difficult to obtain unless they grow there own.

My mom is scheduled for chemo in December.... I don't know the rate that a pot plant grows.... but if my mom started to grow some now... I don't think they would be ready to smoke when she actually needs it!:mad:

[jdub]

i truly believe that denying cancer and other patients access to medicinal marijuana is cruel and immoral...i've seen it help those close to me with cancer...no right wing anti-drug sanctimony will ever change my opinion...

as for me...you can't prove anything! ahahahahahaha!

[1stwahine]

as for me...you can't prove anything! ahahahahahaha!

Wat is dis...Comedy Central Tonight?:p

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Auntie Lynn

[manoasurfer123]

Wat is dis...Comedy Central Tonight?:p

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Auntie Lynn
you better not be laughing about this 1stwahine.

This is a serious issue with my "BLOOD" mom!

[1stwahine]

you better not be laughing about this 1stwahine.

This is a serious issue with my "BLOOD" mom!

Why does it have to be ALL about you MANOA? I was laughing at Jdub's laughter about himself.:rolleyes:

Sssshhhhh.

Me! Me! Me!

It's not always about YOU!

Get a Grip.

L.V.

[manoasurfer123]

Why does it have to be ALL about you MANOA? I was laughing at Jdub's laughter about himself.:rolleyes:

Sssshhhhh.

Me! Me! Me!

It's not always about YOU!

Get a Grip.

L.V.
This has nothing to do with me...and EVERYTHING I can do for my Blood mom....
(mom... I know you reading this!)

[1stwahine]

This has nothing to do with me...and EVERYTHING I can do for my Blood mom.

I understand that and I commend you for being there for her. However, you jumped on my arse for nuttin! I wasn't laughing at this thread nor your mom. Once again, get a grip and READ carefully before you POST!:rolleyes:

L.V.

[Palolo Joe]

This has nothing to do with me...and EVERYTHING I can do for my Blood mom....
This thread has nothing to do about you or your mom. YOU'RE the one trying to derail yet another thread and make it all about you.

[manoasurfer123]

PJ -

Can you please site an example where I have derailed this thread?

Mahalo;)

[Palolo Joe]

Posts 120, 122 and 125.

You're still doing it.

[manoasurfer123]

Posts 120, 122 and 125.

You're still doing it.
wake up pj... this was a small tangent that me and 1stwahine... we have since took it to PM... as we can if you would like?
and they were related to the pot culture.

[Palolo Joe]

wake up pj... this was a small tangent that me and 1stwahine... we have since took it to PM... as we can if you would like?
I don't need to take anything to PM. I can handle myself just fine here.

Your first post was related to marijuana. The rest of your spewing wasn't.

And since you always have to get the last word in, I can bet your derailing of this thread will continue for a while more.

Keep going... keep going...

[1stwahine]

wake up pj... this was a small tangent that me and 1stwahine... we have since took it to PM... as we can if you would like?
and they were related to the pot culture.

Ahhhh...I read one and replied. I deleted the rest.:rolleyes:

Do not PM me no moa!:mad:

L.V.

[Leo Lakio]

Message to PJ:
If it bothers you that much, take it up with a moderator.
Quit telling people what to do. Complain to admin, but not on the threads.

[admin]

Well. That was fun.