Is HawaiiThreads.com too mean?

[Miulang]

Just a personal observation: why are the people on this forum more mean-spirited than another forum to which I belong (and am a moderator for) that has Hawai'i expats as its primary audience? If there really is harmony in Hawai'i, why does this forum not reflect that? Why are people being criticized for honestly sharing their opinions? Just because you might not agree with what's being said, you don't have to write wimpy, sarcastic comments when you decide that a post should be rated negatively (or rate and run with no reason why). That certainly doesn't tell the receiver of the comment anything about how to improve (and telling the person his opinion is crap isn't a fair critique as far as I'm concerned). I believe this is still a relatively "free" country and that people are entitled to their own opinions. I judge a post for its content, and certainly not for niggly things like spelling, and not necessarily if I agree with the opinions stated or not.

BTW: The other forum doesn't allow for reputation points, which I'm sure the Admins could have instituted if they wanted to. Maybe that's why that forum is more mellow than this one.

Miulang

[Glen Miyashiro]

Just a personal observation: why are the people on this forum more mean-spirited than another forum to which I belong (and am a moderator for) that has Hawai'i expats as its primary audience? If there really is harmony in Hawai'i, why does this forum not reflect that?Because there isn't. And as much as you and your expat friends may want to believe otherwise, Hawai‘i is not somehow exempt from human vice and frailty. You can romanticize your ex-home and moan about how much better it was in the old days all you like, but we live here and we can be bitchy if we feel like it. Deal.

I believe this is still a relatively "free" country and that people are entitled to their own opinions. I judge a post for its content, and certainly not for niggly things like spelling, and not necessarily if I agree with the opinions stated or not.Yes, people are entitled to their opinions. And if my opinion is that somebody's misspellings and poor grammar make them look sloppy and kusai online, then I am free to say so.

[admin]

I wouldn't want this forum to be the spitting image of another message board. I love that you can go to different places for different personalities, different mixes, different opinions. If all you get out of HawaiiThreads.com is "mean-spirited," then maybe it's not the forum for you. I'm okay with that.

I browse many, many other message boards - Hawaii-related and otherwise - and can certainly agree that you can often get more heated discussions here on HawaiiThreads.com than you might at Hawaii.com or Ohana Lanai. Then again, there are message boards that are like the Wild West, with rampant flames and more topic drift than topics.

I think HawaiiThreads.com is just right: enough aloha to remind you why you love Hawaii, enough skepticism and healthy debate so you see all sides (rather than get overwhelmed with smilies and hugs), and a mix of madness and moderation so you have fun, but still know where to go for what. Closer to the realHawaii, not just the one you imagine when you're badly missing, or dreaming of visiting, the islands.

I know the reputation system is seen as everything from pointless to amusing to horrible and annoying. It's a pity it's not used only for good, but hell, the same can be said for the actual messages people are posting. It just adds another dimension to what goes on here, commentary on the commentary, for better or worse... and it's just another way in which this forum is different from others.

You're not forced to participate, or even care. Other boards use poor reputation as a throttle against posting and good reputation as an opportunity for more power. I don't plan on doing that here.

Hey, Scrivener has a sixth, extra shiny green chicklet. Surely the system has to be doing something right!

[Miulang]

Because there isn't. And as much as you and your expat friends may want to believe otherwise, Hawai‘i is not somehow exempt from human vice and frailty. You can romanticize your ex-home and moan about how much better it was in the old days all you like, but we live here and we can be bitchy if we feel like it. Deal.

Yes, people are entitled to their opinions. And if my opinion is that somebody's misspellings and poor grammar make them look sloppy and kusai online, then I am free to say so.

C'mon, Glen. I know you visit that other site (seen you there). What's the diff between that site and HT? We have locals who visit that site. Sometimes stuff gets kusai and sloppy (especially with the pidgin because there's no correct way to spell in pidgin) but nobody makes a big deal about it. Everybody who's ever lived in Hawai'i knows that Hawaii is not Nirvana. It's just when "visitors" to HT see the sniping, etc. it doesn't give a very nice picture of the islands. You can say that "that's reality" but man, what ever happened to courtesy and kindness? Why is it only "my way or the highway?" What happened to the spirit of ohana and aloha? Why not call HT "LA threads" or something else. What was Ryan's original intent when he started this forum?

Miulang

[Glen Miyashiro]

I think HawaiiThreads.com is just right: enough aloha to remind you why you love Hawaii, enough skepticism and healthy debate so you see all sides (rather than get overwhelmed with smilies and hugs), and a mix of madness and moderation so you have fun, but still know where to go for what. Closer to the realHawaii, not just the one you imagine when you're badly missing, or dreaming of visiting, the islands.I agree, which is why although I drop in on Hawaii.com and Ohana Lanai, and even still occasionally that Usenet newsgroup whose initials are ess-cee-aitch (don't wanna attract you-know-who via Google), HawaiiThreads is my favored hangout.

Hey, Scrivener has a sixth, extra shiny green chicklet. Surely the system has to be doing something right!Yup.

[Glen Miyashiro]

C'mon, Glen. I know you visit that other site (seen you there). What's the diff between that site and HT?It's a different focus. You guys over there have mostly all left the islands; over here we mostly still live here. It makes a big difference in how we view Hawai‘i and everything about it.

We have locals who visit that site. Sometimes stuff gets kusai and sloppy (especially with the pidgin because there's no correct way to spell in pidgin) but nobody makes a big deal about it.I'm not talking about pidgin; I write pidgin too. I'm talking about English. Like scrivener, I'm one of those guys who gets annoyed by bad spelling and grammar. Different subject.

Everybody who's ever lived in Hawai'i knows that Hawaii is not Nirvana. It's just when "visitors" to HT see the sniping, etc. it doesn't give a very nice picture of the islands.It's a real picture.

You can say that "that's reality" but man, what ever happened to courtesy and kindness? Why is it only "my way or the highway?" What happened to the spirit of ohana and aloha? Why not call HT "LA threads" or something else. What was Ryan's original intent when he started this forum?I believe he's going to tell you.

[pzarquon]

All right, then. Swapping my "diplomat" hat for my "personal," local boy hat here...
What's the diff between that site and HT?Just as one example, then... The Ohana Lanai site is largely expats, trying to maintain links with Hawaii and other people in the same boat. You have a shared perspective, because you're all largely from and miss Hawaii, but are living somewhere else, trying to find the local halau, or the best approximation of sticky rice, or holding luau now and then to get that taste of home.

That sentimental affection for Hawaii is wonderful, and it sure makes me glad I never left (yet). But that close alignment in perspective certainly minimizes conflict. "Why get huhu about this and that, let's spread aloha!" The Lanai is also a very close-knit family, which also helps (although the extensive in-jokes can be off-putting). If I were stranded in Kansas, Ohana Lanai would probably be my favorite place on the web. But I'm not.

HawaiiThreads.com certainly attracts a lot of locals living away from Hawaii, but I'd say our hearts, our roots, are people who still call Hawaii home. So we both can love and hate different parts of island life. It's easy to be on the mainland and say, "You guys in Hawaii should do this," or, "You guys in Hawaii better learn from us guys up here," and another thing entirely to be living it day-to-day.
It's just when "visitors" to HT see the sniping, etc. it doesn't give a very nice picture of the islands. You can say that "that's reality" but man, what ever happened to courtesy and kindness? Why is it only "my way or the highway?" What happened to the spirit of ohana and aloha?Miulang, if you're honestly saying that you see no genuine warmth, no helpful spirits, no thought-provoking discussions here on HawaiiThreads.com, then I really don't know what to say. I think we've built a great community site, with great people. And what a mix! Locals and newcomers, military and civilian, even the rare, oft unseen Asian male or two! :) We seek and get advice, we post what we had for lunch, we debate politics, we rant and rave about the local media, we share movie reviews, we even play games now and then.

We've got a lot of "courtesy and kindness" here, and a lot of "ohana and aloha." But you know what? It certainly doesn't look like the folks who haunt HawaiiThreads.com are going to sign onto the HVCB's affiliate program and promise to only talk about hula dancers and mai tais on the beach. I expect things to get a bit colorful when the Akaka Bill or some other political or spiritual issue comes up. Or, yes, the Reputation system (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=13). We rag on the occasional local celebrity, too, just like everyone does now and then.

Sure, things can get ugly. But yet, in the very same thread where we had some of the strongest criticisms of a local celebrity, we also had the most heartfelt expressions of apologies and regret I've seen here yet. Hey, we're human.

So. I don't think there's anything askew about the "picture of the islands" visitors get from HawaiiThreads.com. I'll take our mix of ups and downs, our true believers and our skeptics, our reasoned debaters and pupule aunties, over any facade put on for the benefit of some idealized Hawaii PR image.

Frankly, if I were thinking of visiting, or moving to, Hawaii, I personally would learn more practical stuff here than I would in a cheerleading echo chamber where it's all attaboys and "go for it" and "me too!" Yeah, I'll concede, we're sometimes a little harsher on would-be residents (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61) than I'd like. But hell, if they didn't want honest opinions, they should've gone to Hawaii.com! ;)
Why not call HT "LA threads" or something else. What was Ryan's original intent when he started this forum?Because we're not here to talk about L.A. As for what mission HawaiiThreads.com started with, why not check the FAQ (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/faq.php)?

[Glen Miyashiro]

My honest takes on the other Hawai‘i online discussions that I have visited:

Hawaii.com - Aimed at haoles who wish they could visit Hawai‘i. Like Ryan said, too commercial and saccharine and, to be honest, naive. I don't want to spend all my time doing Hawaiian history and culture tutorials.

Ohana Lanai - Aimed at Hawai‘i expats like Miulang and Lurkah. Lots of affirmation and joking and wistful nostalgic longing. Too much goofiness and too many cute smilies for my tastes.

Hawaii Metblogs - Cool to read, but a little more extroverted than I care to be. And besides, I'm not that great of a blogger.

HawaiiStories - See Hawaii Metblogs. And sorry to say, Ryan, but comment spammers are a huge issue there.

Ess-cee-aitch - The delay caused by moderation has bogged this newsgroup down to the point where I don't care to use it. And there are a few posters there who I hope never find HawaiiThreads, because they're just plain tedious and annoying.

Alt-cee-aitch - Aaaaggghh! Run away! Run away!

[pzarquon]

Great rundown, Glen. And while I know you know this, I think it bears mentioning again that some people might want goofiness and smilies, or want wholehearted encouragement for that fantasy relocation to Hawaii, or basically a different tone and flavor than HawaiiThreads.com. And that's fine.

To each their own. I'm sure a similar summary elsewhere would have an entry: "HawaiiThreads.com - Too mean. Stupid moderator, too."

In the imaginary interests of equal time, a couple of other online communities include ForumsHawaii.net (http://www.forumshawaii.net/) (I think you have to be under 20 to appreciate it), HawaiiForums.org (http://www.hawaiiforums.org/) (I just can't get over the DBEDT PDF on the main page). There are also active Hawaii-centered Yahoo! Groups (Hawaii (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hawaii), TheNewcomersOhana (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheNewcomersOhana/), Dinner Boys & Girls (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dinnergirlsandboyshawaii/)) and MSN groups.
Alt-cee-aitch - Aaaaggghh! Run away! Run away!
I do miss the golden age of USENET. Those were the days...
Cool to read, but a little more extroverted than I care to be. And besides, I'm not that great of a blogger.
FWIW, Hawaii Metblogs and HawaiiStories (or at least the main page thereof) aren't really discussion sites. Just community blogs. So you might have a conversation, but only if a member decides to post a particular topic. Part of the reason HawaiiThreads.com was created was because so many people were sending me great topics for HawaiiStories blog posts. Why not create a forum where you can start your own conversation?

And yeah, comment spam is the bane of all blogs. And really, the main page of HawaiiStories is pretty static these days. The real strength of that site has turned out to be the blogs of individual authors hosted there. Our own Lynn found her voice there, and there are a dozen other people - both local and away - enjoying an outlet for their writing.

[Miulang]

The reason I visit HT is because it IS about Hawai'i, and Hawai'i is fast becoming like the Mainland. There's a saying, "you don't know what you have until you lose it"...hence the existence of Ohanalanai and Alohaworld.com. I don't get too political over there because about the only thing the expats have in common is that we all have histories in Hawai'i.

There's another expression, "You can never go home again." Very true. Even when I move back to Hawai'i in a few years, it'll be very different even from what it is today. I acknowledge that. Change is constant. But will I have a choice about how much of it I am willing to accept? You betcha.

My favorite expression is, "travel makes the man." I think if you have the opportunity to travel away from the islands or to live somewhere other than Hawai'i for a time, your perception of Hawai'i is changed immutably. I'm afraid that the more Hawai'i moves toward becoming what the rest of the Mainland is, the less the aloha its people will have toward each other and to people from elsewhere. Do you really want to live in a mean spirited place like LA? What about Hawai'i is going to differentiate it from an LA in the future? When Kimo rants about the old architecture being replaced by steel and chrome, I get where he's coming from.

One really cool thing about most people in Hawai'i is their playfulness. Why isn't it OK to be playful on HT too? Life is too short to be critical just to be critical. For the times when serious issues arise, why is it not possible to get into an honest debate of the issues and not of the personalities expressing the opinion? When people berate others with comments of "dumb@ass" or worse, what's the purpose? To prove to yourself that you think you're better than someone else? Reminds me of a playground full of kiddies. Now if everyone could be as classy as da Scriv, then there wouldn't have to be the mean spiritedness. He's managed to rise above all of that. :)

Miulang

[pzarquon]

I more than understand where you're coming from, Miulang. But there are issues larger than just the HawaiiThreads.com microcosm you're touching on. I still maintain that there's a lot of kokua and aloha (and some pupule and huhu) here on HawaiiThreads.com. More importantly, I certainly wouldn't use the fact that people disagree and occassionally abuse the system here - the supposed "mean-spirited" side of HawaiiThreads.com - as proof or evidence that Hawaii is going down the tubes! After all, I find a lot here that redeems my faith in my fellow island inmates.
One really cool thing about most people in Hawai'i is their playfulness. Why isn't it OK to be playful on HT too?What? Who says we're not playful? Have you read what Lynn or Kimo have posted lately? (Just kidding, guys. You know I love you, right?) We post what we eat, we post random pictures, we post absolute non-sequiturs (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5197) (albeit with a root of irony).

I might be more anal retentive about topic drift than most, and can sometimes do without excessive ridiculousness (and moderate accordingly), but again... the fact that we don't go overboard with the smileys and clip art and inside jokes is just another way we're different. Not better or worse, just different.

[kimo55]

Scriv is a dumb@ss.


(of course, the intelligentsia among us know I steh joking. but jeez; do ya gotta say: "eh. i am only joking"? apparently, for the thickheaded...)

[Glen Miyashiro]

My favorite expression is, "travel makes the man." I think if you have the opportunity to travel away from the islands or to live somewhere other than Hawai'i for a time, your perception of Hawai'i is changed immutably. I'm afraid that the more Hawai'i moves toward becoming what the rest of the Mainland is, the less the aloha its people will have toward each other and to people from elsewhere.The idea that Hawaiians placed aloha over all other values is a myth dreamed up by the HVB. I'm not gonna keep a plastic grin on my face every time a haole shows up just because I'm supposed to.

We will always have aloha for our neighbors because we're on a goddamned island. We don't really have a choice.

One really cool thing about most people in Hawai'i is their playfulness. Why isn't it OK to be playful on HT too?We are. Perhaps our sense of humor is too dry and restrained for your tastes.

For the times when serious issues arise, why is it not possible to get into an honest debate of the issues and not of the personalities expressing the opinion?We do.

When people berate others with comments of "dumb@ass" or worse, what's the purpose? To prove to yourself that you think you're better than someone else? Reminds me of a playground full of kiddies. Now if everyone could be as classy as da Scriv, then there wouldn't have to be the mean spiritedness. He's managed to rise above all of that. :) We also do that, too. But so? In an online forum like this, you can't control the behavior of others; you can only control what you do yourself. Well, unless you're a moderator or the admin.

[Miulang]

Don't get me wrong, Ryan. The majority of people on HT are friendly and really do try to get along with each other. I have personally tried to help people here in HT who have PMd me for help. "Mean-spirited" is a relative thing. But it's ironic that the type of "mean-spiritedness" that exists in small pockets in Hawai'i looks so startlingly similar to what we see up here. Is that a good or a bad thing? I dunno. It's up to each individual to decide that, I guess.

Too bad there can't be different degrees of "mean-spiritedness".

Miulang

[kimo55]

My honest takes on the other Hawai‘i online discussions that I have visited:

Hawaii.com - Aimed at haoles who wish they could visit Hawai‘i. ...


as well as another we touched on:

http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5866&highlight=about.com


which basically is a buncha people who fantacise about a Hawaii visit and have a token one or two who have, whose words they worship, where they allow no outsiders into their clique, cuz they don't wanna hear the ugly truth or hear an islander say: "eh. don't come here and complain and whine about manini stuffs, and tell us how it's done on the mainland"

[Glen Miyashiro]

as well as another we touched on:

http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5866&highlight=about.com

which basically is a buncha people who fantacise about a Hawaii visit and have a token one or two who have, whose words they worship, where they allow no outsiders into their clique, cuz they don't wanna hear the ugly truth or hear an islander say: "eh. don't come here and complain and whine about manini stuffs, and tell us how it's done on the mainland"Forgot about that one -- I took one look after Kimo's original comment, and wrote them off as not worth my time to visit. I guess that's what happens when you have a Hawai‘i forum in a national- or world-wide context: 99% of the posts will be from people chatting about their vacations.

[kimo55]

I tried to engage them in an intelligent conversation but the harsh truth was too much for them. came across with pithy insider info kinda stuff, tried to be patient and offer info, but they would have none of that. started crying;
'oh that person must be the same one that logs on and posts under many different names and then gets kicked off.'
and then they deleted all my posts.
and then they returned to their usual hallmark programming.

[pzarquon]

Ah, yes, I'd almost forgotten that Hawaii.com's forums were specifically discussed (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5993) earlier. A lot of that thread sounds like this one! I guess I should amend my example HawaiiThreads.com entry above to include "scary." Heh.

[kimo55]

We are. Perhaps our sense of humor is too dry and restrained for your tastes.

OR... our sense of humor is rewarded by neg. rep points. Dunno who could say that, but I've heard it said...

[Glen Miyashiro]

OR... our sense of humor is rewarded by neg. rep points. Dunno who could say that, but I've heard it said...No! Who would do that? :rolleyes:

[Miulang]

OR... our sense of humor is rewarded by neg. rep points. Dunno who could say that, but I've heard it said...
Oh, so you get that too, huh? "Have you eaten your prunes today?" bahahaha!

Miulang

[kimo55]

prunes. ugh. One food i would never eat.

[Palolo Joe]

The reason I visit HT is because it IS about Hawai'i, and Hawai'i is fast becoming like the Mainland.
I visit HT for the same reason - because it's about the real Hawaii. And while it's becoming more like the mainland, there is still a lot that makes living here unique. Once you leave and spend 30+ years on the mainland, both you and the place you left will have changed. There are very few places where it feels like time is standing still.
I don't get too political over there because about the only thing the expats have in common is that we all have histories in Hawai'i.
Well, maybe if you didn't get so political over here, you wouldn't run into as many confrontations.

But will I have a choice about how much of it I am willing to accept? You betcha.
Well, I'd be interested to see what kind of response you get from locals when you come back and start making pilikia. Doesn't matter if you're brown-skinned or white-skinned... if you come here with attitudes of "this is how we do it this way on the mainland" and "I've come back to my roots to change the things I think are bad," you going have problems.

One really cool thing about most people in Hawai'i is their playfulness. Why isn't it OK to be playful on HT too? Now if everyone could be as classy as da Scriv, then there wouldn't have to be the mean spiritedness.
Not everyone in Hawaii is playful. Go out to Waianae and see how "playful" the soles out there can be. It's also hard to judge a person's attitude and tone by a single post, which is why some of us get into disagreements on here every once in a while.

But if everyone were PC and happy-happy-joy-joy all the time, I don't think I'd come here as much. And as evidenced by the posts in this thread, there are lots of other options for those looking for that kind of sugar-coated discussion.

[LikaNui]

I think HawaiiThreads.com is just right: enough aloha to remind you why you love Hawaii, enough skepticism and healthy debate so you see all sides (rather than get overwhelmed with smilies and hugs), and a mix of madness and moderation so you have fun, but still know where to go for what. I second that opinion. Every single word of it!

[Miulang]

Well, I'd be interested to see what kind of response you get from locals when you come back and start making pilikia. Doesn't matter if you're brown-skinned or white-skinned... if you come here with attitudes of "this is how we do it this way on the mainland" and "I've come back to my roots to change the things I think are bad," you going have problems.

.
Actually, I use the information and opinions on this forum as sort of "homework" for the time that I do move back. By keeping up with things as time goes on, it'll be much easier for me to get back into the swing of things
"island style". All I have to offer are my observations about all the bad things I've seen happen up here. So as far as wanting to change things in the direction of it being more like the Mainland, I don't have that intention at all. Why would I want to move someplace where it was exactly what I could find up here, and then also have to suffer from the high cost of living to boot? One thing I do pride myself on is the ability to do research and connect the dots. I respect everybody who respects me. I especially respect indigenous people all over the earth because they, more than anything or anyone else, know where it's at, and what I hear from the people I've talked to, where it's at is not a very pretty picture.

Miulang

[Palolo Joe]

Why would I want to move someplace where it was exactly what I could find up here, and then also have to suffer from the high cost of living to boot?
Well, that's a good question, especially with you telling us Hawaii residents that Hawaii is more and more like the mainland everyday. Why even bother coming back if you're just setting yourself up for disappointment? Maybe it's better if you remain a tourist and only come here to spend your money.

What I meant with the passage from which you quoted me is that the attitudes you may have consciously or unconsciously picked up while living on the mainland for so long could be your downfall when you return.

You may not like what's happening up there, but if you come here and try to act the same way you might around mainland haoles - then like I said, going get problems.

[Miulang]

Well, that's a good question, especially with you telling us Hawaii residents that Hawaii is more and more like the mainland everyday. Why even bother coming back if you're just setting yourself up for disappointment? Maybe it's better if you remain a tourist and only come here to spend your money.

What I meant with the passage from which you quoted me is that the attitudes you may have consciously or unconsciously picked up while living on the mainland for so long could be your downfall when you return.

You may not like what's happening up there, but if you come here and try to act the same way you might around mainland haoles - then like I said, going get problems.

You can call me whatever you like, Joe, but a hypocrite I am not. As I stated previously, I respect everyone who respects me. I have absolutely no intention of "Mainlandifying" Hawai'i any more than it is. I see the destruction of the environment up here caused by poor management; I see the urban sprawl and the bureaucratic bungling on projects, I see the racism. What's so wrong about my wanting to do my part to ensure that it doesn't happen in Hawai'i? Look. What I REALLY want to do when I get back to Hawai'i is work with the elderly (especially the people with Alzheimers). Hawai'i has so many people and families touched by this disease and there are barely any resources available to families and victims. Is that not something worth working toward? Demographically within 10 years, Hawai'i will have the largest per capita population of people aged 65+ and older. Most of my professional career has been spent in the health care industry as an analyst. I know what I need to do.

Miulang

[Palolo Joe]

Good for you. Best of luck.

Your post helps to get me back on-topic, however. I'm stating my opinion, which causes you to get defensive. And don't put words in my mouth. If I meant to say you were a hypocrite, I would have used the word hypocrite in my post.

Maybe the reason why you think HT is too mean is because of the way you choose to engage in conversation here. If you want to get political and enter into pissing matches with other users, I'm sure you have realized by now that there's no lack of people to mix it up with around these parts.

You might not have any intention of "mainlandifying" Hawaii, but what you don't realize is that you may unwittingly do it anyway because you've been in that environment for so long.

[Miulang]

Good for you. Best of luck.

Your post helps to get me back on-topic, however. I'm stating my opinion, which causes you to get defensive. And don't put words in my mouth. If I meant to say you were a hypocrite, I would have used the word hypocrite in my post.

Maybe the reason why you think HT is too mean is because of the way you choose to engage in conversation here. If you want to get political and enter into pissing matches with other users, I'm sure you have realized by now that there's no lack of people to mix it up with around these parts.

You might not have any intention of "mainlandifying" Hawaii, but what you don't realize is that you may unwittingly do it anyway because you've been in that environment for so long.

Personally, I don't have a problem with anyone who has a problem with me if they can tell me what the problem is. I get really pissed, however, when I get PMs from people who are distraught by the really rude comments that have been sent their way and which, in my opinion, they didn't rightfully deserve. I know what my true reputation and character are based on the people with whom I interact on a daily basis. And that's enough for me. I'll probably never cross paths with you in real life, although I have and will cross paths with others on HT because I want to. I'm not out to win a popularity contest at HT. What I hope I can do is get people to start thinking about stuff besides what I had for lunch yesterday. "Life's a bitch and then you die."

Miulang

[Glen Miyashiro]

I get really pissed, however, when I get PMs from people who are distraught by the really rude comments that have been sent their way and which, in my opinion, they didn't rightfully deserve.So let them stand up for themselves. Don't go all mother-hen and "protect" people who haven't asked for protection -- and that includes us kama‘āina who still live here. I don't know if you realize how patronizing and condescending you can sound at times. You do.

[Miulang]

So let them stand up for themselves. Don't go all mother-hen and "protect" people who haven't asked for protection -- and that includes us kama‘āina who still live here. I don't know if you realize how patronizing and condescending you can sound at times. You do.
See? Now THAT'S the kind of comment that makes sense! Thanks Glen. That's a whole lot more informational than some of the crap that gets slung around here sometimes.

Now, on with the regular programming...

Miulang

[pzarquon]

Miulang, I can't speak for Palolo Joe, but personally, I can see how someone might get the (erroneous) idea that you're hoping to change Hawaii towards, rather than against, the "Mainland way." It's the general impression I get when a number of your posts begin with, "You folks in Hawaii better..." Or, "Well, up here, we..." You might very well be raising important, broad issues for discussion, but over time, it can feel like preaching.

And another point that bears repeating is that if you purposely focus on hot-button issues, from Hawaiian independence and the Akaka Bill to Wal-Mart, the environment, and George Bush, you've got to know the waters are deeper and that you might ruffle more feathers than someone who only posts about food. Then again, while there are certainly going to be crossed wires and unfair reputation points in those "serious" neighborhoods, I also find those discussions to be among the more rewarding.

What I hope I can do is get people to start thinking about stuff besides what I had for lunch yesterday.Wait a minute. Are we too playful, or not playful enough? :p

[Jonah K]

Ah, yes, I'd almost forgotten that Hawaii.com's forums were specifically discussed (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5993) earlier. A lot of that thread sounds like this one! I guess I should amend my example HawaiiThreads.com entry above to include "scary." Heh.
Some of the forums on Hawaii.com have grown a little meaner and less saccharine lately, compared to HawaiiTreads.com. ;)

Compare this thread on Hawaii.com...
http://www.hawaii.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2321
to this thread on HawaiiThreads.com
http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=6333

Cheers,

Jonah K

[Miulang]

Miulang, I can't speak for Palolo Joe, but personally, I can see how someone might get the (erroneous) idea that you're hoping to change Hawaii towards, rather than against, the "Mainland way." It's the general impression I get when a number of your posts begin with, "You folks in Hawaii better..." Or, "Well, up here, we..." You might very well be raising important, broad issues for discussion, but over time, it can feel like preaching.

And another point that bears repeating is that if you make it a point to focus on hot-button issues, from Hawaiian independence and the Akaka Bill to Wal-Mart, the environment, and George Bush, you've got to expect you're going to ruffle feathers. There are certainly going to be crossed wires and unfair reputation points in those neighborhoods, but I also find those discussions to be among the more rewarding.

Wait a minute. Are we too playful, or not playful enough? :p
Balance man, be in harmony with the world...OMMMMMM :) The reason I bring the topics up is in the spirit of intellectual curiosity and scientific research, not to ruffle feathers, although sometimes I wonder if anyone over there really cares about some of the stuff that's going on in your own back yard...

Miulang

[pzarquon]

Compare this thread on Hawaii.comWow. Talk about a wild ride.

The "don't impose you model of law on ours" sounded familiar. But the call outs for a beat down were a bit much. :eek:
sometimes I wonder if anyone over there really cares about some of the stuff that's going on in your own back yard...Here we go again...

[Glen Miyashiro]

Some of the forums on Hawaii.com have grown a little meaner and less saccharine lately, compared to HawaiiTreads.com. ;)

Compare this thread on Hawaii.com...
http://www.hawaii.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2321
to this thread on HawaiiThreads.com
http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=6333Ho boy. "Who you callling a haole? Just cuz I'm from Texas doesn't make me a haole!"

:rolleyes:

(paraphrased)

[Palolo Joe]

The reason I bring the topics up is in the spirit of intellectual curiosity and scientific research, not to ruffle feathers, although sometimes I wonder if anyone over there really cares about some of the stuff that's going on in your own back yard...
You just... don't... get it.

[kimo55]

Some of the forums on Hawaii.com have grown a little meaner and less saccharine lately, compared to HawaiiTreads.com. ;)



wow. freaky. same two guys tawkin bout da same ting on two different boards...


and... I always luuuv this perspective:

"You people who talk like Hawaii is a different country, are the ones who should wise up.
Either secede, or get used to people expecting Hawaii to be like just another state, cause guess what, it is... "

whuwhuwhuuu.

[Miulang]

...And that's how wars get started too. It's hard to gauge the intent of a written note because there's no real way to know what the writer means (except for those g-dm emoticons). I won't post so many "controversial" things then; will that make the majority of you happier? I'm looking for feedback here...ya know, you could also stop reading my posts...put me on ignore...

Miulang

[Pua'i Mana'o]

Balance man, be in harmony with the world...OMMMMMM :) The reason I bring the topics up is in the spirit of intellectual curiosity and scientific research, not to ruffle feathers, although sometimes I wonder if anyone over there really cares about some of the stuff that's going on in your own back yard...

Miulang

Aloha Miulang,

I want to take this opportunity to express my heartfelt mahalo for the topics and newsbits that you do post here. I log on daily, but my schedule doesn't permit me enough time to respond as much as I would like. There are things I wish to discuss about Y2K kanaka culture, progressive living between our different lahui here in Hawai'i, how we can further our respect between our host cultures and responsibilities towards our malihini, how progressive our ancestors actually were (and, if time permitted, the whole 19th century in review), as well as Hawai'i's unique place in this global hegemony--where the trends are heading, and where our heads need to be at.

And, if I had additional time, I wanna join in and shit-talk some books, movies and other elements of pop culture
;) but ahhhh....so little time.

eia ku'u leo mahalo ia 'oe.

Pua'i

[kimo55]

And, if I had additional time, I wanna join in and shit-talk some books, movies and other elements of pop culture



whaaaat!?
You... wanna do THAT?


hey. yer very welcome here, now!
jump in.

[Pua'i Mana'o]

OF COURSE I DO!!!

I am Wahine™. Hear me roar!

Every time I log on, that Library Folder says "here Kittykittykittykittykitty..." ;)

[kimo55]

whaaahou...

"wahine"... is yer trademark?!

[1stwahine]

I'm 1stwahine! take that to the bank honey! :p

Auntie Lynn

[kimo55]

and exactly where da hell's this mythical "bank honey"?
one tita or mahu holoholo round chinatown wit da beeg kine purse o wot?

[Pua'i Mana'o]

whaaahou...

"wahine"... is yer trademark?!

WHO are you calling "whaaahou"? :mad:

[Pua'i Mana'o]

I'm 1stwahine! take that to the bank honey! :p

Auntie Lynn

Go 'head. You can keep your 1st on the front. I'll just keep my tm in da back ;)

[Glen Miyashiro]

I want to take this opportunity to express my heartfelt mahalo for the topics and newsbits that you do post here. I log on daily, but my schedule doesn't permit me enough time to respond as much as I would like. There are things I wish to discuss about Y2K kanaka culture, progressive living between our different lahui here in Hawai'i, how we can further our respect between our host cultures and responsibilities towards our malihini, how progressive our ancestors actually were (and, if time permitted, the whole 19th century in review), as well as Hawai'i's unique place in this global hegemony--where the trends are heading, and where our heads need to be at.One of my pet interests is post-annexation, pre-WWII Hawaiian history. It's a period that gets glossed over a lot. Jonah Kūhiō Kalaniana‘ole versus Robert Wilcox. Anti-Japanese "yellow peril" propaganda. The rise of Labor against the Big Five. Juicy, juicy stuff.

[Pua'i Mana'o]

One of my pet interests is post-annexation, pre-WWII Hawaiian history. It's a period that gets glossed over a lot. Jonah K?hi? Kalaniana‘ole versus Robert Wilcox. Anti-Japanese "yellow peril" propaganda. The rise of Labor against the Big Five. Juicy, juicy stuff.

See, now I am all about the third generation of ali'i. First, let's review:

1st generation: Kamehameha Nui (the 1st)
2nd: Kamehameha II and III (the former who was the first wimp, the latter who reigned the longest for 20 years, and both of whom were really the first generation who had to deal with multi-cultural paradigm shifts)
3rd: K. IV->Lili'uokalani. These guys were the ones educated by the Cookes, and share in common a genuine Christian ethic/charity towards the maka'ainana more so than the previous two generations.
4th: Ka'iulani, Kapi'olani's nephews (Kuhio & Kawananakoa).

Will come back to this one later...

[Miulang]

One of my pet interests is post-annexation, pre-WWII Hawaiian history. It's a period that gets glossed over a lot. Jonah Kūhiō Kalaniana‘ole versus Robert Wilcox. Anti-Japanese "yellow peril" propaganda. The rise of Labor against the Big Five. Juicy, juicy stuff.
Go for it. Start a thread. I'd be interested in what develops too. After all, this is the stuff that helped make Hawai'i what it is today.

Miulang

[Glen Miyashiro]

Go for it. Start a thread. I'd be interested in what develops too. After all, this is the stuff that helped make Hawai'i what it is today.I'd love to, but I don't know enough. I'm hoping others, like Pua‘i, can help.

[1stwahine]

tm?temporary mental. hehehe welcome I'm bi-polar!

[Stephen]

Is it just me, or one day when Miulang and Palolo Joe meet they're going to fall head over heels in love with each other?

Ragin Cajun

[lavagal]

Is it just me, or one day when Miulang and Palolo Joe meet they're going to fall head over heels in love with each other?

Ragin Cajun


It's just you. They'll fall in love with just you.

[MadAzza]

Is it just me, or one day when Miulang and Palolo Joe meet they're going to fall head over heels in love with each other?

Ragin Cajun


Stay away, Miulang! Palolo Joe is mine!

Since Scriv won't have me ... (dreamy sigh)

[1stwahine]

They wouldn't have me either. boo hoo cause i one old lady, so i had to go back to one "cold" guy! (yeah miulang) freezing one at dat!

[scrivener]

Since Scriv won't have me ... (dreamy sigh)
Hey. Where I come from, silence means agreement.


Edit:
I just re-read that and not only doesn't it make any sense, I don't even know what I meant when I wrote it. Must be bedtime.

[Pua'i Mana'o]

I'd love to, but I don't know enough. I'm hoping others, like Pua‘i, can help.

I'm game. :)

[lavagal]

Stay away, Miulang! Palolo Joe is mine!

Since Scriv won't have me ... (dreamy sigh)


So much tension! So much drama! Not enough sleep! This gang cracks me UP!

[kimo55]

So much tension! So much drama! Not enough sleep! This gang cracks me UP!



careful, crack kills!


"death; the big sleep.
sleep; the small death."

oh, ok. works.
go ahead.

[Palolo Joe]

Well I better post something just so I'm not in some sort of silent agreement... :rolleyes:

I think it's funny how I disagree with people and others think I got the hots for 'em. My love life is just fine, thank you very much. Don't need HT to play matchmaker for me. :D

(notice the strategic use of emoticons... lol)

[Glen Miyashiro]

"death; the big sleep.
sleep; the small death."I thought "the little death" (le petit mort) referred to something else entirely. :D :D :D

[lavagal]

Well I better post something just so I'm not in some sort of silent agreement... :rolleyes:

I think it's funny how I disagree with people and others think I got the hots for 'em. My love life is just fine, thank you very much. Don't need HT to play matchmaker for me. :D

(notice the strategic use of emoticons... lol)


Yeah, I had a feeling things were going alright for ya in that dept Palolo Joe. ;)
You should probably report to your wife/sig other that you've become a sought-after sex symbol on HT. Better she hear it from you first, dude. :rolleyes:

[sinjin]

Some of the forums on Hawaii.com have grown a little meaner and less saccharine lately, compared to HawaiiTreads.com. ;)

Compare this thread on Hawaii.com...
http://www.hawaii.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2321
to this thread on HawaiiThreads.com
http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=6333

Cheers,

Jonah K

I'll say. I managed to get called nazi, klansman, etc. in just a couple posts.

Btw Jonah I appreciate your posts both here and there.

[mel]

I have been reluctant to post to this thread until now. Granted, I may have been mean to a few people in some of the political topics. But then the old saying of what goes around comes around holds true. Seems like a lot of meaness has spread to otherwise benign topics out of the political realm around here (not that I read everything here to begin with)...... But...

Has it come to a point where the membership here would like to ban another member from access to the board?

I can think of only one incident very early in the history of HawaiiThreads that may have resulted in the banning of a user. It was a person who posted a couple of hardcore pornographic pictures and nothing else. (More than likely a message spammer.)

Anyway, to keep this discussion going should anyone be banned?

(OK I'll take a pre-emptive strike against myself just in case I am so bad that I need to be banned.. so 1 vote for me.)

[helen]

I don't think banning would work in the long run.

[scrivener]

I think that as long as the general rules of the forum are being followed, banning is unnecessary. If people want to ignore me, they will, which will effectively ban me among the regular participants. If my behavior becomes unbearable in general, and Ryan decides that I need to go, he can make that decision himself without input from anyone else.

But just to be sure, does anyone have an archive of those photos? I'll need to evaluate them myself! ;)

[1stwahine]

I'll give an example, Kimo55. I disagreed with him countless of times, he made me so angry. I used the tool to "Ignore" him and it worked. Over time, I cooled off and missed his answers.

We all are not perfect. At one time or the other we may have been irritated with a fellow poster. I have been at odds with several of my fellow posters on the board but as time went by I've learned that each and everyone of them are special. I have learned from each one of you on the board.

Yes, newcomers may seem too brash and think they know-it-all. It may make us all fall into their hands like they want to...some "think" they are experts in that field. To use people for their purposes. Lets rise above that. We, are professionals. We, don't play games.

This is hawaiithreads.com, We talk stories! Interesting ones. Not belittling others or trying to find every bit of fault in someone. We don't assume anyone's faith or how incapable they are to think, etc.

Since I've been a member, nobody has teased me of my mental illness nor for the God I believe in. I, therefore after writing all that because I'm in a manic stage...say NOT to BAN. We have the "Ignore Tool!"!

Auntie Lynn

PS. Do they have any Male X-rated pictures? LOL

[Glen Miyashiro]

But just to be sure, does anyone have an archive of those photos? I'll need to evaluate them myself! ;)Let's just say that if you did a Google Images search on the word "gaping", you'd get a general idea of how they looked. :rolleyes:

[Menehune Man]

Threads are getting closed left and right. Feathers are getting ruffled. Strong opinions about other's perceived racism and self-opinions of granduer. It has sure stepped up from "olde" days of just wondering what Kimo was gonna say. Just playing with ya man.

[Pua'i Mana'o]

Heaven forbid the employment of "tyranny of the majority". Please don't give us "banning mana".

And if I might share something I learned growing up on the Homestead: some of the best friendships are forged from the grudging respect earned after getting lickens.

If I wanted to post like a Mombie™, I would visit such a site. I like it here. And I like the opportunity to learn from sarcasm and disagreement (should that take place).

</2¢> :)

[Pua'i Mana'o]

Let's just say that if you did a Google Images search on the word "gaping", you'd get a general idea of how they looked. :rolleyes:

Thank. You. So. Very. Much. for that.

{{{willies}}}

[craigwatanabe]

mean isn't a proper term to use here...EVIL is. There is so much bad talking going on here it comes down to spite at times. A while ago on Mel's Hawaii Radio and TV guide forum before it connected with Hawaii Threads I was the target of some maniacal flamer who could only speak of lies and inuendos regarding my personal and professional life in the media. I found out who she was and reminded her that some of us work in radio for a paycheck and to feed our families. When she spewed out all these lies about me for the sake of fun, she threatened my career of over 20-years. I told her how would you feel if I went up to your boss and told him that you were a prostitute at night and F&*ked his dad?

Can you imagine the fallout based on that lie? Well to denegrade someone in public based on lies is not what I call mature thinking.

We have to be careful how we speak on this board. To some it may be funny, to others their reputation is on the line now and you can really hurt someone with vicious and malicious statements. Sometimes I think some of the people here who spew garbage out on these threads are really little kids who haven't grown up into mature adults.

So is HT.com too mean? I think so, but it will take all of us participating on these threads to control ourselves and treat everyone here with a little bit more respect. Ask yourself, would you talk that way to your own kid?

[lurkah]

mean isn't a proper term to use here...EVIL is. There is so much bad talking going on here it comes down to spite at times. A while ago on Mel's Hawaii Radio and TV guide forum before it connected with Hawaii Threads I was the target of some maniacal flamer who could only speak of lies and inuendos regarding my personal and professional life in the media. I found out who she was and reminded her that some of us work in radio for a paycheck and to feed our families. When she spewed out all these lies about me for the sake of fun, she threatened my career of over 20-years. I told her how would you feel if I went up to your boss and told him that you were a prostitute at night and F&*ked his dad?

Can you imagine the fallout based on that lie? Well to denegrade someone in public based on lies is not what I call mature thinking.

We have to be careful how we speak on this board. To some it may be funny, to others their reputation is on the line now and you can really hurt someone with vicious and malicious statements. Sometimes I think some of the people here who spew garbage out on these threads are really little kids who haven't grown up into mature adults.

So is HT.com too mean? I think so, but it will take all of us participating on these threads to control ourselves and treat everyone here with a little bit more respect. Ask yourself, would you talk that way to your own kid?
Couldn't think of many more reasons than those for using an alias.

[Peshkwe]

Ummm...You been to the Honolulu Advertiser boards lately?

Wear your asbestos undies if ya do and ya decide to walk into a thread unprepared.

[craigwatanabe]

and to hide behind it?

[craigwatanabe]

Ummm...You been to the Honolulu Advertiser boards lately?

Wear your asbestos undies if ya do and ya decide to walk into a thread unprepared.


Coming in unprepared is one thing but in my case making outright lies and then teasing me about it is totally uncool. As for Tiny well he seems to be taking all this in stride as he's still smiling. So I guess he's somewhat mentally prepared or something else but it seems it ain't fazing him that much.

I like to believe I am a nice guy and if I offend anyone I'm the first to apologize. But when you work hard for the greater part of your adult life and some bozo chick who doesn't know me at all starts saying things that just aren't true just so she can get her rocks off at the expense of someone's precious career. Well there's no excuse for those kinds of tactless remarks.

And she even was cowardly enough to hide behind an alias while throwing the barbs. Yeah baby run and hide like a frickin' coward...what an asshole!

[Peshkwe]

Coming in unprepared is one thing but in my case making outright lies and then teasing me about it is totally uncool. As for Tiny well he seems to be taking all this in stride as he's still smiling. So I guess he's somewhat mentally prepared or something else but it seems it ain't fazing him that much.

I like to believe I am a nice guy and if I offend anyone I'm the first to apologize. But when you work hard for the greater part of your adult life and some bozo chick who doesn't know me at all starts saying things that just aren't true just so she can get her rocks off at the expense of someone's precious career. Well there's no excuse for those kinds of tactless remarks.

And she even was cowardly enough to hide behind an alias while throwing the barbs. Yeah baby run and hide like a frickin' coward...what an asshole!

Umm...did you persue the legal method of getting her a good smack down?

When someone threatens your livelyhood with slander, liable and defamation of character you get a lawyer to go bark at em. Most ISP's will give up the user's info when threatened with a lawsuit, they don't want to get mixed up in a mess like that.

[Tiny Tadani]

This thread title got my attention since I've been seeing so much "evil" on threads about me. Like Craig said... I can handle... but sometimes the maliousness can get contagious.

I can really appreciate someone using their real name calling me an idiot jerk punk ass. But when posters are hiding behind an alias... it's so weak when they start calling you names.

I also had someone on my "tiny thread" threaten to call all my work places and sponsors to tell them things about me so I'd lose my job or money... I think it was because I wouldn't let him get me mad anymore and that only fed to his fire. Craig, I know how you feel.

Someone wrote that you shouldn't write in your real name so you don't get slandered... no, people who take those shots should stop immediately or be banned. There is no room for that anywhere.

Mel put it right when he said it all comes back to you. But instead of cursing yourself... just take the high road everyone. Yes, I like the disagreements and the controversy like everyone else, but it doesn't have to get soooo pilau. It just doesn't.

I'm guilty of getting caught up in it sometimes... then I gotta stop typing and pray for a little bit and get strength to be stronger.

Hey if that chicklet point system means anything to posters... and it seems it does... how about giving two or three to people who use their real names??? Now that would be interesting to see how many alias' become real people? Now that's reputation and respect!!!!!!!!!

Calling all fakers... come out of the closet and let us know who you are.

BTW, For all the ones who are very good spirited and positive... I think the alias' and logos are cool.

tiny

[kimo55]

For all the ones who are very good spirited and positive... I think the alias' and logos are cool.

tiny
oh, how very magnanimous of you.

[Tiny Tadani]

What does "magnamiwhatever" mean?

Just kidding Kimo... hope you're having a great evening. Stay positve man.

God Bless,

tiny

[Pua'i Mana'o]

Coming in unprepared is one thing but in my case making outright lies and then teasing me about it is totally uncool. As for Tiny well he seems to be taking all this in stride as he's still smiling. So I guess he's somewhat mentally prepared or something else but it seems it ain't fazing him that much.

I like to believe I am a nice guy and if I offend anyone I'm the first to apologize. But when you work hard for the greater part of your adult life and some bozo chick who doesn't know me at all starts saying things that just aren't true just so she can get her rocks off at the expense of someone's precious career. Well there's no excuse for those kinds of tactless remarks.

And she even was cowardly enough to hide behind an alias while throwing the barbs. Yeah baby run and hide like a frickin' coward...what an asshole!

When it is one's business to become a public personality, it makes good sense to separate that personality from one's private life. Understand that sh*ttalk comes with the territory, shrug it off and be shrewd about it.

Seriously Craig, get an alias. Add a layer of separation between that which intimately defines you (which shouldn't be any of our business, only that local flava that is aloha shared) and your ideas--which are the best parts that you can give us.

Its like you gotta remember that the composite information you provide can one day give a stalker ammunition against you or those close to you. But balance that out with a "frickit no matta" attitude and get back to those great ideas.

I think you should become Mitz Funai or Sonny from Kapolei. :cool:

[kimo55]

What does "magnamiwhatever" mean?

uh... I give up. what?

[scrivener]

I think you should become Mitz Funai or Sonny from Kapolei.
Oh! That is TOO FUNNY! We'd have a Glen Miyashiro and a Mits Funai. I swear, I'd laugh my head off every time one of them posted something and the other responded. That would be a good poll for HT: Would you rather be Glen Miyashiro or Mits Funai? Hey Pua`i, you've made yourself popular around here, but if things turn sour and you need to abandon your handle, you could always come back as Miss Momi Lomilomi.

[Glen Miyashiro]

There are a bunch of good names that somebody could use:

Sun Cho Lee
Conrad Jones
Maximo Concepcion
Kazu Tanaka
Mr. Kamakawiwo‘ole
Mr. Frogtree
Auntie Marialani
Fate Yanagi
Barry Santos

[Pua'i Mana'o]

Hey Pua`i, you've made yourself popular around here, but if things turn sour and you need to abandon your handle, you could always come back as Miss Momi Lomilomi.

Darlin' if you *only* knew ;)

And thank you for the compliment. I just realized I got a couple of green boxes and, uh, a circle/buttonless button that is colored a non-descript shade of "important" and I see that I am now a Luna™.

And as a woman who is part-Asian®, Representation is in da howse!

========
edited (to sufficiently kill this tangent) to add my family's names:
Daughters Becky and Darlene. Son is DJ. My big lug of a hubby is Dan and my Driver's License says Rosanne, but you can call me Pua'i.

[Menehune Man]

Instead of "too mean" I think it's more like "mean too". As in much like the rest of humanity.

[MadAzza]

What does "magnamiwhatever" mean?

Just kidding Kimo... hope you're having a great evening. Stay positve man.

God Bless,

tiny

Tiny, did you check out those Bible verses I recommended? Good stuff, if you're interested in growing as a member of the Christian community. No offense intended, my brother. But I've got more if you're interested.

Prayin' for ya ...

[Tiny Tadani]

Sorry MadAzza. At the time you wrote it you were being a little sarcastic and nasty yet. I really watch the source when I get things like that. You seem to have cleaned up your act... so keep it up and repeat those verses for me.

I'm praying for you too.

tiny

[Peshkwe]

uh... I give up. what?

*raises hand*

Ooo..ooo...I know!! I know!!!

He's trying to spell 'miinagaawanzh'!!!




Um...Tiny...whatchu want with a blueberry bush???

[MadAzza]

Sorry MadAzza. At the time you wrote it you were being a little sarcastic and nasty yet. I really watch the source when I get things like that. You seem to have cleaned up your act...
tiny

Nope, I'm still being sarcastic.

[craigwatanabe]

When it is one's business to become a public personality, it makes good sense to separate that personality from one's private life. Understand that sh*ttalk comes with the territory, shrug it off and be shrewd about it.

Seriously Craig, get an alias. Add a layer of separation between that which intimately defines you (which shouldn't be any of our business, only that local flava that is aloha shared) and your ideas--which are the best parts that you can give us.

Its like you gotta remember that the composite information you provide can one day give a stalker ammunition against you or those close to you. But balance that out with a "frickit no matta" attitude and get back to those great ideas.

I think you should become Mitz Funai or Sonny from Kapolei. :cool:

Sonny from Kapolei? Nah I think Fred Hemmings got that one nailed down already... :D

But if I can be Mitz Funai...what I can score wit Fate (Faith) Yanagi? Fate Yanagi...I LOVE YOU....bmm bmm bmm bmm!

But really though, I actually know a Glen Miyashiro and he took a lot of ribbing from da boys when Frank Delima popularized it.

Eh! whea my can resin!!! My frickin board stay all ding up!

[Pua'i Mana'o]

Sonny from Kapolei? Nah I think Fred Hemmings got that one nailed down already... :D

But if I can be Mitz Funai...what I can score wit Fate (Faith) Yanagi? Fate Yanagi...I LOVE YOU....bmm bmm bmm bmm!

But really though, I actually know a Glen Miyashiro and he took a lot of ribbing from da boys when Frank Delima popularized it.

Eh! whea my can resin!!! My frickin board stay all ding up!

too funny!

I feel a *need* to create some poll, reality-tv style, to hook you up with a new nick. A nice one, and let's keep with that Japanese flava, cause its who you are and we cannot whitewash ya!

Jiro of Hiro (get it??) ;)

[Fondoo2]

sniff....You guys are big meanies and I'm tellin mom;MOM! HT'S BEING MEAN AGAIN!!!

[craigwatanabe]

Craig Watanabe is who I am and I will never dishonor the name my parents gave me in birth.

I am proud of who I am and not afraid of telling others. If someone wants to slander me well that's their issue. But I try not to offend anyone here, I'm upfront, honest and try to be objective in my statements. If someone has a problem with that well at least it's not my problem.

Thanks for the suggestion but I prefer to be called what I've been called all my life and that's my name because that's who I am :)

[Miulang]

Thanks for the suggestion but I prefer to be called what I've been called all my life and that's my name because that's who I am :)
Your name has been forever indelibly imprinted in my mind as the guy who made me ROFL with the story about small kid times and all star wrestling in the KGMB studios. That was priceless! :) Even now, just thinking about it, I gotta crack up laughing...ah the vision of da tunta wiping out rows of metal chairs on her way out da door...hooo!

Miulang

[jdub]

yowza! i've just gotten back from no-access land and this thread strikes me as quite heavy and deeply impassioned...too mean? ha! it isn't any different than the hellish bar chatter i get paid to endure (and enjoy) at gigs...i'm not a visitor to any other boards, and i was referred here by "dick," a colleague and fellow musician...i think he told me that i was the subject of a thread, and being the narcissist that i am, i had to check it out...i've since come to dig the forum for what it is, even if my three-dot posts flout protocol (i write for a living, but i'm lazy and nobody here signs my checks)...

i guess because i haven't been the target of meanness here, i may have a more myopic outlook about HT than those that get zapped with criticism...but, hell, i've been a professional musician and band member for longer than i care to remember or admit, so i've come to understand the pathology of ritual abuse...

i do know that more than one member has turned up at my gigs simply because they took the time to care...that is, as far as i'm concerned, the living, breathing manifestation of "aloha"...

in my opinion, HT is the only message board i need...i'm haole, malahini (for 34 of my 35 years), and i feel at home at HT...even if i only have one chicklet...

[kimo55]

in my opinion, HT is the only message board i need...i'm haole, malahini (for 34 of my 35 years), and i feel at home at HT...even if i only have one chicklet...
and... if you live here long enough, soon, you may become a
malihini!
imagine that!

[Langi]

in my opinion, HT is the only message board i need...i'm haole, malahini (for 34 of my 35 years), and i feel at home at HT...even if i only have one chicklet...

Hey, did you just earn yourself another chiclet?! :D How'd you do that? Is that all i have to do too? (waiting...) Oh well! :p

[jdub]

Hey, did you just earn yourself another chiclet?! :D How'd you do that? Is that all i have to do too? (waiting...) Oh well! :p

YAHTZEE!! More aloha!

[Langi]

YAHTZEE!! More aloha!

Congrats!! I guess it counters the whole question of being too mean!

[jdub]

i've always wondered what those little chicklets mean...i still do...but i will confess that i find them validating...

[Langi]

Hey look at me!
I'm a chicklet-dee too!
Thanks, powers that be! :p

I, too, am unsure of how this happens, but hey, can't hurt in the long run, right?

[Glen Miyashiro]

The chiclets show your Reputation. There's a whole long thread (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=13) about it if you're curious.

[LikaNui]

Hey look at me! I'm a chicklet-dee too! Then you'll want to see this, Langi: http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=41239&postcount=122

:p

[Pomai]

Interesting thread here.

Regarding the Hawaii Media section of this board, there's certainly your share of cynics and jaded hearts. Fortunately, folks who actually work in Hawaii's media industry (myself included) also participate, so it gives the board at least some validity... not just hot air.

I would say at least 80% of Hawaii Media's active board posters live in Hawaii, not expats.

As for being "mean", some can't help but feel that way because of the nature of Hawaii's media industry.. sometimes a very cold-hearted, cheap-paying, dog-eat-dog world.

Critics take harsh jabs at media personalities as if they are ragdolls with no feelings. Sometimes the things said are so mean, I think to myself, "damn, is this person really from Hawaii?, I hope not".

For myself, I try to live Aloha on the boards, keeping a positive attitude with just good things to say. If there's something bad to say (or criticize), I won't say it at all. If I do criticize, I'll try and at least be constructive, with a shed of light to the negative aspect of it. My parents taught me that.

There was one thread that ended up a flame war which I regretfully became a part of, and I publicly apologize to anyone in that thread I offended (you know who you are). :o

My best defense in times of flame wars is what mom taught me, "kill 'em with love". Most of the time it works, as long as you're sincere about it.

Hawaii is a relatively small place, and you never know who you'll come across... hence we always say, "small world eh?". Hawaii's certainly not a good place to burn bridges.

This board has a good balance of aloha and intellectual, spontaneous conversation. Enough that I continue to enjoy it here. If it ever doesn't, I'll simply move on.

Life is too short to be angry. As the bumber sticker says, "Live Aloha". :)

[Pomai]

Oh! That is TOO FUNNY! We'd have a Glen Miyashiro and a Mits Funai. I swear, I'd laugh my head off every time one of them posted something and the other responded. That would be a good poll for HT: Would you rather be Glen Miyashiro or Mits Funai? Hey Pua`i, you've made yourself popular around here, but if things turn sour and you need to abandon your handle, you could always come back as Miss Momi Lomilomi.

If things get REALLY ugly here, look for me under the alias, "TITARELLA" - Frank DeLima's Filipino twist of Cinderella.

Kome'pleet wit deeeee...ehhhhh.. Pilipino uck'cent, like dut. Dut way, I would know who is dee local prom Hawa'ee.. be-kooze dee uh-derr people kood not un-dare'stund what manang iss-say'eeng. :D

[Ty Lee]

I would say at least 80% of Hawaii Media's active board posters live in Hawaii, not expats.

As for being "mean", some can't help but feel that way because of the nature of Hawaii's media industry.. sometimes a very cold-hearted, cheap-paying, dog-eat-dog world.



Yes....too true and for that there is dissention within the media community. Sometimes talent being the harsher with opinions of each other which we saw in the thread about the DJ/TV host Tiny.

There is so much talent that is stressed through the lack of real opportunity to shine in Hawaii. Both local radio and TV give the best opportunities that they know how but even they are limited by the standards that are set. In turn we all float around with the best Aloha we can and try not to kick sand in anybody else's eyes while on the beach of entertainment hopes....... :cool:

[craigwatanabe]

YAHTZEE!! More aloha!


Ahhhh the love :)

Hey wait a minute...are we dispelling the myth that HT is becoming too mean? :eek:

[alohabear]

HawaiiThreads is not mean. We are a melting pot of different views and welcome all newcomers with ALOHA ;) ... if you can't handle some heat once in a while, go find a pansy board to hang out on! :D

[Menehune Man]

It's been pretty mellow lately. The calm before the storm or eye of the hurricane? Jus' choking!

[kimo55]

HawaiiThreads is not mean. We are a melting pot of different views and welcome all newcomers with ALOHA ;) ... if you can't handle some heat once in a while, go find a pansy board to hang out on! :D


yea. again, like dis one:

http://www.hawaii.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2034

where they redefine Hawaiian words. and any slighty dissenting or elucidating perspecitve is chased outta the church with a rug beater by schoolmarms.

(oh, and this is rich; some mainlander is writing a book to help haole understand Hawaii. and he's doing it from Michigan or somehwere. and asking for help, definitions and material. So he's not writing the book. But others who may be as clueless, are!)

[dcfanaddicts]

Mean-- No Hateful Is The Word To You. Your Cuts Are Hurtful And As I See It After Basically Being Booted Off This Message Board. You're Anti-haole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You Claim you greet every Newcomer with Aloha... I certainly didn't see it

[kimo55]

I..... am anti haole??

I say i greet everyone with...
whuuut duuuh fuuuu....


I am soooo full of warmth and happiness and aloha, and acceptance and...
HEY!
thought you left!

"I'M OUTTA HERE.. MOST UNFRIENDLY BOARD I'VE EVER BOTHERED TO POST ON - KINDLY REMOVE ALL MESSAGES POSTED BY ME AND ALL THE FLAMES THEREAFTER ~I WON'T BE BACK"

[sinjin]

Mean-- No Hateful Is The Word To You. Your Cuts Are Hurtful And As I See It After Basically Being Booted Off This Message Board. You're Anti-haole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You Claim you greet every Newcomer with Aloha... I certainly didn't see it
I am reminded of the difference between the slow process of coming to enlightenment promised through the Indian approach to Buddhism and the "sudden enlightenment" approach of Zen Buddhism as practiced in the Japanese tradition. Kimo has the temperament of the Zen master about him IMHO. "Tough aloha" if you will.

Apologies Kimo if you are not amused and if you are that'll be one green chicklet. :D

[admin]

Mean-- No Hateful Is The Word To You. Your Cuts Are Hurtful And As I See It After Basically Being Booted Off This Message Board.You haven't been booted off this message board, as evidenced by your ability to post. The thread where you've been advertising your websites (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=4028) was closed, however. You're perfectly free to participate in other conversations here not related to Danny Couch.
You Claim you greet every Newcomer with Aloha... I certainly didn't see itI think our track record speaks for itself. Newcomers who come in the spirit this community is offered are welcomed warmly (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2). With over 100 posts to your name, I'd hardly consider you a newcomer. Certainly other members here have reacted, however, to the fact that the vast majority of your posts have been promotional, and not conversational, in nature.

If you participated in the HawaiiThreads community, and didn't merely market at it, you'll find plenty of aloha... and, yes, a fair helping of kolohe (and pupule) as well.

[Jonah K]

yea. again, like dis one:

http://www.hawaii.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2034

where they redefine Hawaiian words. and any slighty dissenting or elucidating perspecitve is chased outta the church with a rug beater by schoolmarms.

(oh, and this is rich; some mainlander is writing a book to help haole understand Hawaii. and he's doing it from Michigan or somehwere. and asking for help, definitions and material. So he's not writing the book. But others who may be as clueless, are!)
Aloha kimo55,

Some the posters on Hawaii.com aren't clueless -- just bored, somewhat kolohe, and entertained by the ramblings of "pre-diasporic" haoles. ;)

Cheers,

Jonah K

[Menehune Man]

"pre-diasporic" haoles.

Meaning Caucasians that haven't left their homeland?

[kimo55]

Some the posters on Hawaii.com aren't clueless --


snot what i heard.

[Rickyrab]

Meaning Caucasians that haven't left their homeland?

Presumably, Europeans. :)

[Jonah K]

Meaning Caucasians that haven't left their homeland?
Aloha Kākou,

In the broadest sense, a "pre-diasporic haole" is a non-kanaka maoli that hasn't yet moved to Hawai'i. ;)

Cheers,

Jonah K

[Menehune Man]

Aloha Kākou,

In the broadest sense, a "pre-diasporic haole" is a non-kanaka maoli that hasn't yet moved to Hawai'i. ;)

Cheers,

Jonah K

Okay. I understand now. Thanks!

[kimo55]

Aloha K?kou,

In the broadest sense, a "pre-diasporic haole" is a non-kanaka maoli that hasn't yet moved to Hawai'i. ;)



well, it's clear as mud, but it covered the ground.

[Glen Miyashiro]

In the broadest sense, a "pre-diasporic haole" is a non-kanaka maoli that hasn't yet moved to Hawai'i. ;) Heh. In other words, there are two kinds of people in the world: kanaka maoli and haole. Reminds me of that famous Saul Steinberg cartoon in the New Yorker, "A View of the World from Ninth Avenue".

[Jonah K]

Heh. In other words, there are two kinds of people in the world: kanaka maoli and haole. Reminds me of that famous Saul Steinberg cartoon in the New Yorker, "A View of the World from Ninth Avenue".
Aloha Glen,

That pretty much sums it up from a kanaka maoli point of view; however, the world is much more diverse that than. ;) Over the past decade, many U.S. university-trained kanaka maoli scholars, such as Rona Halualani and J. Kehaulani Kauanui, have been influenced by "diaspora studies", which is an academic field that specializes in dispersed ethnic populations or "diaspora peoples." While it's currently in vogue to refer to kanaka maoli residing in the continental U.S. as "diasporic Hawaiians", the opposite of that is the "diasporic haole" residing in Hawai'i. Many "diasporic haoles" have fled their homelands to escape to their visions of "paradise" in Hawai'i, Tahiti, Samoa, and other islands in the Pacific. Websites like Hawaii.com provide a unique opportunity to study them in their "pre-diasporic state" and examine the "push-pull" factors that lead some to abandon their birthplaces, jobs, family, and friends in order to live in Hawai'i or some other "paradise." :D

Cheers,

Jonah K

[FLhaole]

Okay, from the screen name I chose, you can see that if things are truly mean, I could be setting myself up. However, I have encountered ALOHA!

My objective is to just connect. There is a longing in my heart and spirit for Hawai'i that I cannot express or even really understand. Can't help it that I was born where I was born or to whom...just know that there will be nothing but honesty and complete respect flowing from these fingertips.

In the meantime, THANKS for the love! :)

[hawaiianlore]

I just joined earlier today, and I don't have any issues about meanness. I myself kinda of like the way I was greeted. Humor can be a great greeter. :)
Hopefully I'll see more chiklets in the future.

[KauaiPrincess]

Sometimes we may come across a bit rude and impatient....but, that is a strong reason so many of us hang out on our computers. We keep up a good front most of the time when we need to show Aloha Spirit, but here we can hide and talk about our own frustrations on the lack of integrity, economic growth, housing, and my personal favorites, ice and teen pregnancies here in
paradise. :rolleyes:

[MadAzza]

Hopefully I'll see more chiklets in the future.

chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet
chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet
chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet
chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet


there ya go!

[hawaiianlore]

Oooooh! A pack of chicklets! :D Yummy! :cool:



chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet
chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet
chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet
chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet chiklet


there ya go!

[anapuni808]

I joined this group back in December after reading the article in the paper about Auntie Lynn and her slippers. It was such a heart warming thing to hear about and I thought that this group would be something really nice to belong to.

I was wrong.

Mel or whoever the moderator is - please feel free to remove me from your list.

Aloha,
Fran

[kimo55]

why do you think you were wrong?

[helen]

I joined this group back in December after reading the article in the paper about Auntie Lynn and her slippers. It was such a heart warming thing to hear about and I thought that this group would be something really nice to belong to.

I was wrong.

Mel or whoever the moderator is - please feel free to remove me from your list.

Aloha,
Fran
I can only open or close threads, not remove users from the forum. However please don't let a few bad threads or few bad or rude users spoil your time here.

[mel]

....I'll be living here long after you are dead and gone.

Do some people have an agenda to see their fellow HT members die? Ouch!
Maybe it is because they don't like conservatives or absolute points of view. But to imply the death of a fellow user... well this sure is fodder for this long dormant topic.

That said, does anyone else around here want me or another member dead? Or to go away forever?

[hawaiianlore]

Not me...The idea of dead bodies in a forum just doesn't appeal to me. But it has been a little quiet (though so have I been).

That said, does anyone else around here want me or another member dead? Or to go away forever?

[mel]

Yes, it can get messy, but I wasn't the one that first mentioned "after you are dead and gone." The hidden agenda of some, my God!

[Menehune Man]

I truly believe the overall feeling is great on HawaiiThreads at this time. And there will be disageements between posters, but don't stir up the pot. If two (or more) are 'at' eachother, let them work it out. That's what I think is best.

[Menehune Man]

Okay. I understand now. Thanks!


Just something from earlier in this thread.

[kimo55]

hey. howzit, Kimo.

[kimo55]

Jez fine muh main man. thanks fer axin.

[Menehune Man]

I'm just glad the reputation system isn't around anymore. Ooops did I just say that out loud? :rolleyes:

[Palolo Joe]

Thanks to a select few who got their panties in a bunch, the rep system is gone. Don't forget that the voting was pretty much split down the middle on it.

Ooooops did I just say that out loud???

[Menehune Man]

Hi, welcome back Palolo Joe. Haven't seen you for awhile. All the Best to you and yours! I just checked and realized that I just haven't been reading the same threads that you've been posting in. Sorry, 'bout that.

[mel]

Thanks to a select few who got their panties in a bunch, the rep system is gone.

Geeeeez... some people still so attached to their fetishes... remember whatever you say about me reflects just as badly back to you... especially when you are mentioning your favorite fetish. Geeeeeeez....

And the meaness continues.

[Menehune Man]

I'm sorry that "I stirred the pot". No good can come from it. See?

[Palolo Joe]

Nah... Mel wants to stir the pot, then it's time to push his buttons.

Amazing how you try to act all high and mighty Mel, and then come back and wallow in the mud again and again.

[mel]

Amazing how you try to act all high and mighty Mel, and then come back and wallow in the mud again and again.

That reflection is blinding me. How's your washing machine? Is it working? You probably need to use that a lot.

[Palolo Joe]

No worry Mel, your glass house shattered a loooooong time ago...

[mel]

In your red brick dreams.

[sinjin]

Pointing out the fact that younger people will live with today's decisions longer than seniors is fair IMO. I fail to see that as encouraging someone's departure.

[mel]

Pointing out the fact that younger people will live with today's decisions longer than seniors is fair IMO. I fail to see that as encouraging someone's departure.

Maybe fair to you, but not to me. Perhaps the person making the quote is looking forward to my departure to the great beyond... never can tell when somebody puts a death clause in their post and directs it toward you.

"after you are dead and gone"

[tutusue]

Pointing out the fact that younger people will live with today's decisions longer than seniors is fair IMO. I fail to see that as encouraging someone's departure.
I had no idea what Mel was referring to when he resurrected this thread. He edited a quote that led up to the line in question thereby changing the context. That quote even came from another thread; a thread about the super ferry. Once I found the thread and the original message (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=66765&postcount=59) Mel responded to, I have to agree with you, Sinjin. It appears to me it's a reference to a difference in age...and that's exactly how I would've taken it had Aaron S replied to me in the same way. I honestly don't know how it could be taken any more serious than that.

[mel]

The implied message I got was that he can't wait for my passing. I can't let that kind of stuff go. Sorry!

[tutusue]

The implied message I got was that he can't wait for my passing. I can't let that kind of stuff go. Sorry!
No need to be sorry. Obviously there's something much deeper going on than can be dealt with in HT. But, be assured that "after you are dead and gone" is a somewhat common phrase. I've heard it all of my life and never heard it used in a threatening manner. Google it.

[timkona]

there's no correct way to spell in pidgin

8 little words that sum up Hawaii literacy rates in our schools. And people keep trying to blame the DOE.

[lurkah]

No need to be sorry. Obviously there's something much deeper going on than can be dealt with in HT. But, be assured that "after you are dead and gone" is a somewhat common phrase. I've heard it all of my life and never heard it used in a threatening manner.
I have to agree as he's displayed similar eccentric, overreactive behavior in the past (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=57572&postcount=526), traits unbecoming of a moderator, IMHO.

It's a fact of life that we are born, we live, and then we die. Some people cannot come to grips with the dying part and see threats where none exist when faced with their own mortality, which might explain this post (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=66835&postcount=153).

I'm thinking that's what might be happening here, but then, this would just be the tip of the iceberg.

[kimo55]

there's no correct way to spell in pidgin


and/or;
there's no incorrect way to spell in pidgin.

[1stwahine]

Happy Easter!

Christ Has Risen!

...I do not fear DEATH!

Auntie Lynn!

btw: wat this thread about? :confused:

[kimo55]

Christ Has Risen!


the ether wore off.

[Konaguy]

The implied message I got was that he can't wait for my passing. I can't let that kind of stuff go. Sorry!

You totally misinterpreted what I meant.I just meant I'm 30 and you are
in your 50-60s. I'm going to be outliving you and having to deal with your
generation's screwups.

[mel]

You totally misinterpreted what I meant.I just meant I'm 30 and you are in your 50-60s. I'm going to be outliving you and having to deal with your generation's screwups.

Your age estimate is wrong.

Now you are making a general sweeping judgement of those who have come before you. But guess what, history keeps on repeating itself and each previous generation will continue to screw the one that comes after. Happened many times before and is happening now even with the generation younger than mine.

[mel]

Just for the record, I have nothing to do with the moderation of the main board. I only moderate the Hawaii Media section which is a subset of the main board.

[Konaguy]

Your age estimate is wrong.

Now you are making a general sweeping judgement of those who have come before you. But guess what, history keeps on repeating itself and each previous generation will continue to screw the one that comes after. Happened many times before and is happening now even with the generation younger than mine.

No way in the heck you are in your 40's...no way..I've read what you've
written over the years. Your views mirror my grandfather who is in his
80s. In short your ultra conservative views are from someone in their
50-60s...

As for the other statement, I stand by it. I've seen, I've lived it how older
generations have screwed over my generation and so on.

[Konaguy]

Just for the record, I have nothing to do with the moderation of the main board. I only moderate the Hawaii Media section which is a subset of the main board.

What does that have to do with anything ? Seriously, if I offended you that much just put me on ignore. I took you off ignore, as someone has to stand up for what is right and just. As you've been expressing your views unabated with no debate. Thus I got some flame retardant equipment and took you off ignore.

[mel]

No way in the heck you are in your 40's...no way..I've read what you've written over the years. Your views mirror my grandfather who is in his 80s. In short your ultra conservative views are from someone in their 50-60s...

As for the other statement, I stand by it. I've seen, I've lived it how older
generations have screwed over my generation and so on.

You are still wrong on the age in all technicalities so far.

Don't lift your generation too high, because in time when your generation takes complete control, somewhere, someone, some group or organization will screw it for the next one. It is inevitable. Earth is not a utopia.

[mel]

What does that have to do with anything ?.


Ignore... smignore... whatever.

The moderation post was not directed to you. At that post I quoted no one and certainly wasn't thinking about you.

Read carefully.

[Konaguy]

Read carefully.


Two can tango....

[mel]

Two can tango....


I don't dance.

[tutusue]

No way in the heck you are in your 40's...no way..I've read what you've
written over the years. Your views mirror my grandfather who is in his
80s. In short your ultra conservative views are from someone in their
50-60s...

As for the other statement, I stand by it. I've seen, I've lived it how older
generations have screwed over my generation and so on.
Aaron...Mel's moderator reference was in reply to someone else's post further up this page. And, yes, it would've been helpful if the quote had been used.

That said...
Legalize and tax pot...
Legalize and tax prostitution...
Elect a woman president...
Make love, not war...
Oh Lord, kumbaya :D (before your time!)

Now, now...please don't pigeonhole those of us over 50...way over 50! ;)

Each generation has had their share of screw ups and will continue to do so. I can only hope that with each generation there will be a few less screw ups. Regardless, the world changes and those changes bring new challenges which will bring new screw ups. Hopefully you'll continue to enjoy the ride of life long after I'm dead and gone! :rolleyes:

[Konaguy]

Aaron...Mel's moderator reference was in reply to someone else's post further up this page. And, yes, it would've been helpful if the quote had been used.


Yes that would've been helpful. Then I wouldnt have been confused.


Now, now...please don't pigeonhole those of us over 50...way over 50! ;)
Each generation has had their share of screw ups and will continue to do so. I

I guess its from being exposed to a lot of older people with conservative
or ultra conservative views. I've just figured most older folks are like that.....

[Konaguy]

I don't dance.

My point was you should be heeding your advise too ? You got all flustered
by my comments and took it out of context..

[Miulang]

I guess its from being exposed to a lot of older people with conservative
or ultra conservative views. I've just figured most older folks are like that.....

Here's an interesting point to ponder: I heard this gerontologist say once that medical science has increased the theoretical longevity of the human body to the point where it should be able to survive until around the age of 120 or so before it wears out (assuming the person doesn't have any bad habits, I guess). If that's the case, then "old age" doesn't even hit until you're in your 80s or 90s and people in their 60s are still in the prime of their lives and should be considered MIDDLE AGED! :cool: (And not all older people are conservative or neoconservative. They are just more pragmatic because they've seen so much in their lives and know the difference between being optimistic and practical ;) )

Miulang

[tutusue]

[...]If that's the case, then "old age" doesn't even hit until you're in your 80s or 90s and people in their 60s are still in the prime of their lives and should be considered MIDDLE AGED![...]
Ummm...I never knew 60s wasn't considered middle age! I learn sumthin' new everyday on HT. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! :(

[Miulang]

Ummm...I never knew 60s wasn't considered middle age! I learn sumthin' new everyday on HT. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! :(
Well, to some of the young 'uns, anyone over 50 belongs in a nursing home, Tutusue! :( Hell, I ain''t going down without a fair fight!

Miulang

[tutusue]

[...]I've just figured most older folks are like that.....
Maybe most older folks are like that. But, we middle agers are still on the liberal/conservative fence waiting to fall to one side or the other! :D

[tutusue]

Well, to some of the young 'uns, anyone over 50 belongs in a nursing home, Tutusue![...]
<sigh>I remember when I thought exactly that! O'course, I was still in grammar school! I remember when my parents turned 50. They were way too young to have that number attached to them! And now my daughter is only a decade away.

It happens soooooo fast! :eek:

[1stwahine]

Honey, I'm Home! I'm ready to RUMBLE! :eek:

Auntie Lynn :D

[Miulang]

Another reason for the young 'uns not to wave the "old age" card in Hawai'i too openly: look at this map (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12301577/) of the US that shows where the population of 65+ lives right now. Hawai'i has somewhere from 13-14% of its entire population aged 65+, and demographically that number is expected to increase more dramatically than any other state in the union over the next decade (to something like 1 in 4 residents, and this increase is not from inmigration of retired people, it's from the aging of the resident population already in Hawai'i).

Miulang

[Palolo Joe]

Another reason for the young 'uns not to wave the "old age" card in Hawai'i too openly: look at this map (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12301577/) of the US that shows where the population of 65+ lives right now. Hawai'i has somewhere from 13-14% of its entire population aged 65+, and demographically that number is expected to increase more dramatically than any other state in the union over the next decade (to something like 1 in 4 residents, and this increase is not from inmigration of retired people, it's from the aging of the resident population already in Hawai'i).

Blah, blah, blah... just be sure to do all of us Hawaii residents a favor and retire up there on the mainland.

Oh, and isn't amazing Mel? I'm not the only one calling you on your BS anymore... :D

[kine1]

Ha! ha! Joe that was so mean, that answers the original question! peace man!

[mel]

And that is what this topic is for... to point out the meanness that occurs at HT. It continues.