Hawaii Five-O 2.0 - Take Two!

[turtlegirl]

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Oh, FM, is there anything that you dont complain about!? FYI - ones place in the credits is determined between the agents and producers. If you want to see more locals on Five O, I would suggest that you put in all of your time, money, and passion and you go out and do all the hard work it takes to be a bookable actor. Finish honing your skills with more than ten years of Hollywood abuse, THEN come back and complain to your hearts content about not seeing more locals on tv! If 5-o os stll filming, maybe you can have a job on it.

I love the cast as-is just fine.

[anapuni808]

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I think what turtlegirl means is he has lived here for six years and with that has earned the right to be called kamaaina. He lives a house or two from my cousin in Hawaii Kai.

Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lilly have badmouthed Hawaii in recent years and seem more than happy to leave....

living here for 6 years does NOT give you the right to be called kamaaina! it's takes a lot more than that to to EARN the title. Believe me, when its time for the title, local folks will let you know - you don't just decide one day to call yourself that.

TG - thanks for sharing info about ones name in the credits. I've always wondered how that worked. I've had my name in the credits only once - way down in the closing credits. It was for an A & E network show done on `Iolani Palace - I was what I think is called a "grip". Whatever, it was good fun! I got to walk around with a walkie-talkie, and tell everyone where to go and escort everyone around the sets.

[turtlegirl]

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Cool, Ana!! Maybe what you did was called a Production Assistant?

As far as EARNING the title of Kamaaina, or even Malihini, thats so lame. Lots of people move here to live and work, get used to it, people! Categorizing people and assigning them potentially derogatory names does NOTHING for our supposed Aloha Spirit!

Hawaii is NOT some exclusive club! It is a state, and every american has every right to be here if they so choose, just like in any other state. Its so unfortunate the way new people are treated here! 6 years in Hawaii, countless charitable acts, providing quality entertainment for all, keeping filming here in HI (as in Five-o), his own restaurant...and for chrissakes, Daniel Dae Kim is a malihini, maybe, at best!!? SAD, and it speaks volumes of how hard the fight to be accepted in the islands is mostly unwinnable. Will the locals EVER consider him *in*, and why not now already!? What more does the poor guy have to do to shake that stupid label? Sheesh!!

[tutusue]

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Cool, Ana!! Maybe what you did was called a Production Assistant?

Agree! Grips rig the set.

As far as EARNING the title of Kamaaina, or even Malihini, thats so lame. Lots of people move here to live and work, get used to it, people! Categorizing people and assigning them potentially derogatory names does NOTHING for our supposed Aloha Spirit!

Neither malahini nor kamaaina are considered derogatory terms. It has nothing to do with the Aloha Spirit.

Hawaii is NOT some exclusive club! It is a state, and every american has every right to be here if they so choose, just like in any other state.

Hawaii is the newest state in the union...only 51 years. It will probably always be a "foreign country" (for lack of a better expression) that just happens to be under the auspices of the red, white and blue. It had a history prior to becoming a state. That history will always be there. Those of us lucky enough to move to Hawaii need to respect and honor that history.

Its so unfortunate the way new people are treated here!

Really? I never had a problem. Hawaii is the land of instant karma. One gets back what one puts out. It's actually pretty simple.

6 years in Hawaii, countless charitable acts, providing quality entertainment for all, keeping filming here in HI (as in Five-o), his own restaurant...and for chrissakes, Daniel Dae Kim is a malihini, maybe, at best!!? SAD, and it speaks volumes of how hard the fight to be accepted in the islands is mostly unwinnable.

Being considered kamaaina isn't the be all and end all to life for those who spend time living and working in Hawaii. It denotes someone born and raised in Hawaii or having spent most of his/her life in Hawaii. I've been a resident since 1978, 32 years, and I don't consider myself a kamaaina. Nor do I consider myself a malahini. I don't feel the need to label myself nor am I offended by either label if it's applied to me.

Will the locals EVER consider him *in*, and why not now already!? What more does the poor guy have to do to shake that stupid label? Sheesh!!

It has absolutely nothing to do with being *in*. My guess is DDK could give a hoot whether he's considered a kamaaina or malahini...or even *in*, for that matter. The bigger question for me is...why is it such a big deal for you?

[Frankie's Market]

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Well, I did qualify what I earlier said as "just my opinion." If other people want to express a contrary viewpoint here, that's just fine. It's unfortunate when others describe another person's viewpoint as "lame."

In a sense, it is true that DDK is a kama'aina now that he's a local resident. But he's not from here. And neither is anyone else from the new H50's starring cast. DDK may be a kama'aina from the standpoint that he qualifies to sign up for a Hawaii state ID,....but he is not a local bruddah, like Zulu and Kam Fong was.

FWIW, Oprah Winfrey and Kelsey Grammar have owned homes in Maui years before DDK came here. Does that make them "local" in anyone's eyes?

If certain people find there is no problem with the absence of local bruddahs (or sistahs) being in the starring cast, fine. That's their opinion. But to my mind, it shows a lack of understanding about what made the original Hawaii Five-0 special and unique from all the other TV shows that were running during its time.

And FYI, no. I have not acted or been a member of a Hollywood movie/TV production crew. But then again, neither has 99.99% of everyone else who watches these programs. And yet, without the viewership and support of us "non show-biz" folks, these programs wouldn't survive. Anyone who works in the entertainment industry (or aspires to be) would be wise to always remember that.

[anapuni808]

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TutuSue: I had a great time because I was also a docent at the time. I got to see things in the Palace that others didn't get to see and I got the chance to meet some folks that I wouldn't normally have met. It was a wonderful experience. and yes, I did RULE the set!

TG: TutuSue is correct in everything she posted. It all in the attitude that people have when they move here. One of the big things is where is "home"? is it still someplace on the mainland? is living here a forever thing or is it just for a few years? every thing mushrooms out from that very simple concept. When I came here in 1963 - this was immediately "home" and I felt that this was where I belonged. I don't know how else to explain this feeling. Since I came here - I've never had any other home.

I don't mean to disregard YOUR own feelings or opinions - I can only say how I felt & still feel.

[Walkoff Balk]

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So, da guy DDK, he went grad McKinley?

[tutusue]

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TutuSue: I had a great time because I was also a docent at the time. I got to see things in the Palace that others didn't get to see and I got the chance to meet some folks that I wouldn't normally have met. It was a wonderful experience. and yes, I did RULE the set![...]

Well, that makes you the executive producer!!! Grips RIG the set. They're the "can do" crew members...as my dad used to call them. Lots and lots of manual labor preceded by brainstorming and innovating.

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If certain people find there is no problem with the absence of local bruddahs (or sistahs) being in the starring cast, fine. That's their opinion. But to my mind, it shows a lack of understanding about what made the original Hawaii Five-0 special and unique from all the other TV shows that were running during its time.[...]

FM, the reality is there are just not enough qualified actors in Hawaii. When Hawaii folks get hit by the acting bug they tend to move to cities with more opportunities such as LA or NYC. There's a huge turn-over here. With few exceptions, we're a state of novice actors. I can't begin to tell you how frustrating it is for me in my job to watch that turn-over happen. I'd love to see locals in starring or co-starring roles, as would my casting contemporaries. We're thrilled when someone local gets a recurring role complete with end credits. Unknowns audition all the time so it's not for lack of trying. Then there's the issue of garnering a name actor or 2 to draw in an audience.

[Frankie's Market]

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A look on imdb.com reveals to me that Zulu only had one on-screen acting role before starring on Hawaii Five-0. His acting did lack a certain polish. But nonetheless, his contribution to the TV show was vital, helping locals to "connect" with H50 early-on.

This was 1968. 42 years ago.

In 2010, are you telling me that when it comes to finding capable local acting talent, we've gone backwards in the near half-century since then?

If so, then that's sad.

On one hand, you see Hollywood making progressive advancement by shunning the practice of having Caucasian actors putting on yellowface makeup.

But to go from 2 local actors in starring roles to zero on the Hawaii Five-0 franchise is pure stone-age.

[tutusue]

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A look on imdb.com reveals to me that Zulu only had one on-screen acting role before starring on Hawaii Five-0. His acting did lack a certain polish. But nonetheless, his contribution to the TV show was vital, helping locals to "connect" with H50 early-on.

This was 1968. 42 years ago.

In 2010, are you telling me that when it comes to finding capable local acting talent, we've gone backwards since then?

I think it has more to do with expectations being higher. It costs one helluva lot of money to produce a pilot and a series. Much more than 42 years ago. And the risks are greater... lots of networks; lots of competition, including sponsors. Much more than 42 years ago. Times have changed. The producers have to minimize the risk as best they can. One of the biggest risks is a novice actor. In addition, I think the producers are looking at appealing to a much broader audience than just locals.

No one can predict an ensemble cast's charisma or how well they'll play off one another for the long haul. The original 5-0 got really lucky with that cast.

Just my opinion. I don't think the new H50's producers have looked hard enough.

I know the Hawaii casting director for the new 5-0 and even I can't say that. Hawaii is a tiny state in the middle of the Pacific with an even tinier acting pool. Open calls are always held when any big production comes to town. Most productions would love to find the majority of actors in Hawaii as it keeps the costs down. The desire to hire more local actors exists. With few exceptions, the degree of acting skills needed doesn't exist. But, sometimes luck prevails.

[turtlegirl]

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FM, if you think that finding capable local talent for more than half the roles on Five O is easy, then by all means, put all of your money, talent, time, and effort into becoming a casting director!! Build yourself a reliable reputation here, and a roster of local, capable talent that you will represent and push for as a cd! Whats sad is that you are so willing to criticize five o, yet you have no skills that i am aware of to change the situation whatsoever, mr armchair quarterback!

Also, IMDB is notorious for inaccuracies, omissions, and politically driven editing.

[mel]

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... I think the producers are looking at appealing to a much broader audience than just locals.

That's exactly it. If you are making a major network show to appeal to the mainland U.S. you have to get the best people, situations, storylines, etc. to make it work and reach that audience.

If you focus only on local culture, people, Hawaii, etc. like ABC's "Byrds of Paradise" did in the 1990s, then it is likely your program is doomed to fail because mainland audiences just don't get all of the "local stuff" that may appear in such a show.

A show with a heavy local emphasis is not for network consumption. It better fits in for a smaller niche audience on say Oceanic Cable 16 or another specialty type of cable channel or network.

If you are going big time you have to sacrifice those local things to reach the broader audience.

That is why LOST succeeded. It was all out of this world, all mainland focused even though about 99% of show was shot in Hawaii.

[tutusue]

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FM, if you think that finding capable local talent for more than half the roles on Five O is easy, then by all means, put all of your money, talent, time, and effort into becoming a casting director!! Build yourself a reliable reputation here, and a roster of local, capable talent that you will represent and push for as a cd!

Oops! Need to correct a misconception...casting directors do not represent talent. That's the job of a talent agent. It's also the job of a talent agent to know the skill level of those they represent and to make sure CDs are aware of them. CD's represent the producer.

Whats sad is that you are so willing to criticize five o, yet you have no skills that i am aware of to change the situation whatsoever, mr armchair quarterback![...]

FM admitted a few posts ago to inexperience. The majority of people truly don't understand what goes into a production, including the casting process and the union rules that must be followed.

[Frankie's Market]

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FM, if you think that finding capable local talent for more than half the roles on Five O is easy, then by all means, put all of your money, talent, time, and effort into becoming a casting director!!

Two roles constitutes "more than half" of all the roles on this new Five-0 show?

Either your math is off.... or we are talking about a very small cast.

Build yourself a reliable reputation here, and a roster of local, capable talent that you will represent and push for as a cd!

Once again, I'm just stating my personal opinion. Same as you are doing.

Also, IMDB is notorious for inaccuracies, omissions, and politically driven editing.

As far as Zulu's acting credits go, I do believe it is accurate and complete. If not, then tell me what other movie or TV show Zulu appeared in prior to Hawaii Five-0 besides I Sailed To Tahiti With An All Girl Crew?

[tutusue]

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That is why LOST succeeded. It was all out of this world, all mainland focused even though about 99% of show was shot in Hawaii.

True, but...Hawaii was never a "character" in LOST, unlike 5-0, both old and new, where Hawaii is, in effect, the star. By nature of the location, 5-0 could start out with a decent audience. However, it will take everything else you mentioned in your post above, Mel, for 5-0 to keep and grow an audience.