Worst president - Bush or Nixon?

[Random]

Re: Worst president - Bush or Nixon?

Answer: Clinton.

[timkona]

Re: Worst president - Bush or Nixon?

Attn Adri

We found WMD's (chem) in Iraq on 3 separate occasions.

To a liberal, when does reality become more important than imagination.

Crazy glurg

[Ron Whitfield]

Do chemical weapons come in the form of a mushroom cloud?

Your gang killed off all the kool-aid long ago, Tim.

[timkona]

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Yeah, but Ron, seriously. The whole chemmy weapons thing in Iraq is just nuts. We know they had them. We found them 3 times. We still have the receipts from the sale. Probably part of the Iran Contra thing, but who knows. LOL.

My point is, to this day, lots of folks deny there were WMD's in Iraq.

How is that possible in light of the facts of the matter?

[Adri]

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Tim, then what was the deal with Bush's administration making the mea culpa rounds saying but but but we weren't the only one relying upon faulty intel, we weren't the only ones who thought there were wmds in Iraq and that even if there were no wmds found, the invasion was still the right thing to do?

eta:

These are quotes from Bush or members of his administration (or former members) or people investigating the wmds, but by far, not liberals.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/con...584684620.html
December 8, 2008 - "...Interviewed on Fox news in Washington, Rice said she 'would give anything' to revisit the issue of weapons of mass destruction, but said the 2003 invasion was still right even if the weapons were never found."

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/St...6356046&page=5

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/12/wmd.search/

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20030606.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3570845.stm

[timkona]

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2006...eds-wmds-iraq/

heres just one. I would rather have found it anywhere except Fox News, knowing how folks who don't believe there were WMD's in Iraq also think Faux Noose is the worst source there is.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...063001528.html

that's another.

I'm not trying to justify The Idiots invasion of Iraq. But it is a fact that Iraq had chemmy weapons, used them on the Kurds, did not use ALL of them on the Kurds, and we still have the receipts, as proof, from the sale. These munitions are dangerous, containing primarly sarin and mustard. Maybe the age of the munitions is the reason for the Bush regime downplaying the discovery.

It is amazing to me the number of people who honestly believe there are/were no WMD's in Iraq. Facts are facts.

[Adri]

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By the way, I did not say there were no wmds or never were wmds, I said "especially since we have not been able to find the wmd we alleged were the mainstay cause of what we did". Bush and his own people have repeatedly acknowledged that we did not find the wmds we thought we would find as the reason for invading Iraq.

eta: Since I just read Tim's latest post. Then why, in December 2008, is Rice still saying wmds were never found? http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/St...6356046&page=5 and on Jan. 9, 2009, Bush in an interview saying:

"GIBSON: You've always said there's no do-overs as President. If you had one?

BUSH: I don't know -- the biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein. It wasn't just people in my administration; a lot of members in Congress, prior to my arrival in Washington D.C., during the debate on Iraq, a lot of leaders of nations around the world were all looking at the same intelligence. And, you know, that's not a do-over, but I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess.


GIBSON: If the intelligence had been right, would there have been an Iraq war?

BUSH: Yes, because Saddam Hussein was unwilling to let the inspectors go in to determine whether or not the U.N. resolutions were being upheld. In other words, if he had had weapons of mass destruction, would there have been a war? Absolutely.

GIBSON: No, if you had known he didn't.

BUSH: Oh, I see what you're saying. You know, that's an interesting question. That is a do-over that I can't do. It's hard for me to speculate. "

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Worst president - Bush or Nixon?

Saddam was a republican buddy against Iran.
We sold him the chemical weapons and didn't care that he used them against innocents by the thousands.
BushCo spoke of nukes as the WMDs, nothing else, until it was clear to them (in private) that there were no nukes or even any production attempts, but still heavily pushed the agenda. Then relentlessly tried to justify the Iraq invasion plan any way they could, no matter how rediculous.
Saddam was totally contained prior to the Afghani invasion and afterwards, not going to harm anyone outside of his own country to any sizeable degree.

Bush forced a pointless, ill concieved, no back-up plan, tunnel visioned, my way or the highway, self serving war on America that had no end plan and will never have a satisfactory ending.

And that's the 'good' part.

[timkona]

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Bush forced a pointless........

Heard that Ron. In hindsight, there were only a handful of folks in Washington who knew better. Both houses of Congress played along. Both sides of the aisle. etc etc. And of course, you knew better, and I did not.

But to say there are/were no WMD's in Iraq is false. We still have the receipts. Bush may have cited numerous silly reasons for toppling Hussein, but the ONLY valid, truthful reason was that he had chemmy's. Revising history should not be a political strategy for either party.

[Adri]

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But that makes me curious, Tim. If there really were wmds found, then why are Bush and Rice still saying that there weren't (but it wasn't their fault)? It would have taken a hell of a lot of heat off them if they could have said, no, we weren't wrong. Our stated reasons were justified, here, look. We didn't make any mistakes about that. Instead, they're saying they made a mistake about the wmds but were relying in good faith on faulty intel.

[buzz1941]

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I really dislike Bush, not so much for his politics but for the way he injected faith-based initiatives into every aspect of governance, for the way he's tarnished American relations abroad and because he's just so inept at his job.

But you'd really have to go some to beat Warren Harding.

[oceanpacific]

Re: Worst president - Bush or Nixon?

Neither.

My top three of the "worst" presidents:
1) Warren Harding (he "looked like a President");
2) Ulysses "Useless" Grant (military genius, political neophyte);
3) James Buchanan (our only bachelor President).

Bush-2 and Nixon don't even come close. History will treat Dubya kinder, in spite of his many faux pas.

[timkona]

Re: Worst president - Bush or Nixon?

Well Adri, you have asked the million dollar question.

Could it be the power of the left leaning media? I really don't know.

[Adri]

Re: Worst president - Bush or Nixon?

Well Adri, you have asked the million dollar question.

Could it be the power of the left leaning media? I really don't know.

You seem to be blindly persistent in trying to blame the left for this. Those were direct quotes by Bush and Rice, not conclusions drawn by the media or the left. Bush and Rice could have said whatever they wanted and that is what they said. Not once or twice but repeatedly. As far as I know, neither Bush nor his administration have ever said those kinds of quotes were wrong or taken out of context or that there *were* wmds found in Iraq thus justifying their assertions for the basis of the war. The quote from Rice came from Foxnews initially. Surely, you are not asserting that Foxnews is part of the left leaning media?

[HawaiiMama]

Re: Worst president - Bush or Nixon?

I voted for Bush 43 both times, and also voted for Nixon way back when...I did not agree with either of them on everything; all presidents have good and bad points. I really feel that the last few times I have voted in any election, local or nationwide, I have voted for who/what I feel is "the lesser of two evils". I also do not always vote party lines. Ronald Reagan is one of my heroes, and I certainly did not agree with everything he did!! But there's more to these presidencies than whatever the media feels they can allow us to read.

All that said...my vote is for JIMMY CARTER. Not in this poll, I know, but that's my opinion. Thanks.