Int'l Law Attorney says US Should Leave

[Miulang]

Re: Int'l Law Attorney says US Should Leave

2 can play at dat stealth game, you know, Kimo

Too bad this whole sovereignty thing isn't even known about too much in Hawai'i, where so much is at stake for the kanaka maoli. I know when I go drive through the HHL subdivision in Waihee, lots of stone walls have Hawaiian flags and signs proclaiming sovereignty. Too bad most non-Hawaiians don't even think to cruise by those places (I have to go that way sometimes when I go to the recyle place in Waihee). I'm happy they are showing their pride in their heritage...finally. And I like the fact that the hula halau up here are not prejudiced against caucasians and other races and welcome them with open arms to their classes. Same thing for uke classes.

Kinda jarring, though, to see one blonde head amidst the brown and black haired dancers sometimes! But as long as they respect the traditions and the kumu and become part of that halau 'ohana, I think it's a beautiful thing. It will help perpetuate the culture and spread it to other non-Hawaiian people. After the cultural part is accepted, maybe the political part can be shared with them, too. You know, this assimilation thing takes a while. Just gotta be patient.

Malama pono,
Miulang

[kimo55]

Re: Int'l Law Attorney says US Should Leave

lemme get dis straight. so Mr. Boyle is:

crank
fruitcake
crackpot
marginal character
cannot be taken seriously.
media hound with tenure who pulls stunts

ok. since I ain't a no good at mind readin' i goin ax yuh;

exactly what did this Mr Boyle do to YOU!?
....to warrant such vitriolic spewing?
(Jeez! Even I think I got sprayed on!)

These aforementioned epithets hurled at the gentleman may be applicable to most any rebel rouser, depending on one's stance and perspective.
But all his work and the effect he is having on bringing publicity and attention to a worthy cause is, for some, a move in the right direction. And one would realistically respond with: "so what if he's a crankstunthound-fruitpot-cakemargin in your eyes; I like what he's doing".
hell; "the truth is still the truth even if it were spoken by the devil"

And the subject being beat like the proverbial dead horse only begs the question of you: "give us some examples that could justify all these goofy appellations being hurled at him".

To which many will respond with: "who cares whatcha call him. we need voices no matter who it belongs to."

http://www.alohaquest.com/archive/boyle_bio.htm

http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/artic...al/local09.prt

and puh-leeeaasse do us a favor and don't bring up the "where's the aloha" query again.
One thing 'some' kama'aina are really getting tired of is whiney mainlanders with dashed hopes and expectations (based on the advertising efforts of some overpaid state agency,) complaining about the absence of some conceptualized, prefabricated nebulous overlymerchandised tourist-packaged commercialised thing, overly promoted to take on a life of its own as if it's some ectoplasmatic being that we should have map directions and streetsigns pointing the way to, that supposedly is in evidence in every third post here and on all street corners of Oahu.


(Big messy pile of aloha spirit: map page 16, B-3.)

[lawyamike]

Re: Int'l Law Attorney says US Should Leave

and puh-leeeaasse do us a favor and don't bring up the "where's the aloha" query again.
One thing 'some' kama'aina are really getting tired of is whiney mainlanders with dashed hopes and expectations (based on the advertising efforts of some overpaid state agency,) complaining about the absence of some conceptualized, prefabricated nebulous overlymerchandised tourist-packaged commercialised thing, overly promoted to take on a life of its own as if it's some ectoplasmatic being that we should have map directions and streetsigns pointing the way to, that supposedly is in evidence in every third post here and on all street corners of Oahu.

It's understandable that you would get tired of that. Even here on the mainland, we sometimes get tired of people expecting us to be pleasant. We don't make pretend -- at least where I live right now -- that there is some friendly spirit infused within our culture that promotes respect and unity, though, so the expectations are lower, but we are also not so economically dependent on having people visit and spend money.

I was trying to help you, dude. You don't seem to know a lot about what sort of support is more likely to help your cause and what sort of support is more likely to increase skepticism about it, so I tried politely to clue you in. You got mad about that and tried to insult me, but I don't mind. I got too much of that ectoplasmic Aloha flowing through me right now to be upset. And at least now I know better than to ask you for directions to go see Don Ho perform; way too stressful for you to handle, apparently.

[Miulang]

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Mike: the best way we. as Mainlanders, can help the kanaka maoli is to respect them in their fight for independence and leave them alone unless they ask for help, because, frankly, we are not Hawai'ian, and we certainly don't live in the 'aina (although I am Hawai'i born).

This is like the civil rights fight in the 60's when white people tried to sympathize and help organize black folk. Several (including the brother of someone I went to college with) were killed trying to register black voters in Mississippi. But some of the ways we tried to help blacks gain equality were as condescending and patronizing as the policies and discrimination we were trying to overturn. The kanaka maoli have a lot more to lose. They are fighting for the right to reclaim the land they used to live on and which, if anyone can own the land, should be theirs to own and manage.

You stated your opinions, as did Kimo. Kimo has closer ties to the struggle than either of us do. Sometimes he tries to stir things up, but at least it's in the spirit of trying to get people to think about something. This is something I also do, because to sit back and accept everything that's told to you without question is to not use the brain you were born with.

Miulang

[kimo55]

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And at least now I know better than to ask you for directions to go see Don Ho perform; way too stressful for you to handle, apparently.

Not to give you directions to see Don Ho would be a doing you a favor, believe me.


nananana! jezz keeding uncle Don!

[kimo55]

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I got too much of that ectoplasmic Aloha flowing through me right now to be upset.

So that's where it all went to. We'll send the tourons over there, then.

I was trying to help you, dude. You don't seem to know a lot about what sort of support is more likely to help your cause and what sort of support is more likely to increase skepticism about it, so I tried politely to clue you in. You got mad about that and tried to insult me, but I don't mind. .

"insult"? hahaha. haaa. ha... ha....zzzzzzzzz

uh.. ok...

basically, I took the circuitous route to convey: hey. we don't do that here. and when we see somone persist to diss someone li dat, and justify it, we say, "hey; lissen; that's not the way we do things here. (Jeez; dis guy must be a lawyer... on the mainland.) "

[Pualeilani]

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"Based on the information I have at this time, I am against the Akaka bill for these reasons:"

Well said kimo i completely agree!!!!! i am currently doing a thesis paper on this subject would you mind if i used some of you comments?? i would of course give you the credit for your remarks