I noticed that at intersections all over the city, what look to me to be perfectly good corner sidewalk ramps are being torn up and replaced by... corner sidewalk ramps. What was wrong with the old ones, anyway?
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If this hasn't been well covered in some TV or newspaper "government waste" expose, it should be. Basically, the rush to comply with ADA had the city and/or state cutting wheelchair ramps that were not, technically, compliant. That is, they were ramps, but in terms of grade, orientation, and distance from this or that, they weren't good enough. So, they're redoing them all.
Some of the old ramps, you knew there were problematic... say, cut around light/traffic posts, so they'd be useful only if you could magically split yourself in half as you roll through...
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Re: Sidewalk wheelchair / bicycle ramps
Originally posted by pzarquonIf this hasn't been well covered in some TV or newspaper "government waste" expose, it should be. Basically, the rush to comply with ADA had the city and/or state cutting wheelchair ramps that were not, technically, compliant. That is, they were ramps, but in terms of grade, orientation, and distance from this or that, they weren't good enough. So, they're redoing them all.
Some of the old ramps, you knew there were problematic... say, cut around light/traffic posts, so they'd be useful only if you could magically split yourself in half as you roll through...
this was initiated by that cretin that sued alll those lil mom and pop shops and restaurants for non compliance, etc. wih bathrooms that were a few inches smaller than the whatever bullsh1# ada standards. THIS ONE person initiated and pushed this. causing ALLL this waste and inconvenience to us all.
many have said:
if this were another country:
take him out.
pop.
badda BING badda boom.
end of story. No more problem.
WHY do we allow this in the, uh.. "land of the free, home of the brave"?
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Re: Sidewalk wheelchair / bicycle ramps
I'm just glad it's getting fixed the way it should have been made in the first place. The way my legs are deteriorating, I will be using a wheelchair soon. If it wasn't fixed, being me, I would have gone through some street light pole! ( smile everyone)Be AKAMAI ~ KOKUA Hawai`i!
Philippians 4:13 --- I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
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Re: Sidewalk wheelchair / bicycle ramps
Originally posted by kimo55this was initiated by that cretin that sued alll those lil mom and pop shops and restaurants for non compliance, etc. wih bathrooms that were a few inches smaller than the whatever bullsh1# ada standards. THIS ONE person initiated and pushed this. causing ALLL this waste and inconvenience to us all.
many have said:
if this were another country:
take him out.
pop.
badda BING badda boom.
end of story. No more problem.
WHY do we allow this in the, uh.. "land of the free, home of the brave"?
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Re: Sidewalk wheelchair / bicycle ramps
Originally posted by Glen MiyashiroSo... you think that the ADA standards are useless, Kimo?
"many have said:
if this were another country:
take him out.
pop.
badda BING badda boom.
end of story. No more problem.
WHY do we allow this in the, uh.. "land of the free, home of the brave"?
Boy. If you actually mean things like this,
Originally posted by Glen MiyashiroI'm really glad you're just an online blowhard are you going to come back and say "jezz jokin brah" like you so often do?
No, I am not "jezz jokin brah". I am serious when I say it is supremely, disappointingly sad... pathetically myopic... to see namecalling replace intelligent factfinding and exploring of a serious "issue". And the thoughtless, extreme reaction of "Oh well, yer against any and all Americans with Disabilities Act standards".
no. you can't get there from here.Last edited by kimo55; April 11, 2005, 08:40 PM.
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Re: Sidewalk wheelchair / bicycle ramps
Originally posted by pzarquonSome of the old ramps, you knew there were problematic... say, cut around light/traffic posts, so they'd be useful only if you could magically split yourself in half as you roll through...
In a few years, the ADA will change. Again. And someone will sue. Again. And/Or, someone will sue, first, and then the ADA standards will be forced to change. Again. And allll these ramps will be completely redone AGAIN, because a new standard will be set as far as grade, or width of ramp, or whatever. Do we see ANYONE using these ramps? And do we see anyone getting stuck on these ramps?
I know how painfully politically incorrect it is to bring any attention to any aspect of this but when it gets to this degree and millions of dollars are spent that otherwise could go to good use, JEzuz KEEEristonapogostick! Good sense goes out the window immediately if ANYone wants to say; hold on a minute! what's going ON here!?
and the mom and pop restaurant bathroom lawsuits are forcing all these small businesses to be shut down.
Before this jerk and his lawsuit crept up from the slime, how bad was ANYthing for anyone?Last edited by kimo55; April 11, 2005, 08:30 PM.
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Originally posted by kimo55In a few years, the ADA will change. Again. And someone will sue. Again. And/Or, someone will sue, first, and then the ADA standards will be forced to change. Again. And allll these ramps will be completely redone AGAIN, because a new standard will be set as far as grade, or width of ramp, or whatever. Do we see ANYONE using these ramps? And do we see anyone getting stuck on these ramps?
I know how painfully politically incorrect it is to bring any attention to any aspect of this but when it gets to this degree and millions of dollars are spent that otherwise could go to good use, JEzuz KEEEristonapogostick! Good sense goes out the window immediately if ANYone wants to say; hold on a minute! what's going ON here!?
and the mom and pop restaurant bathroom lawsuits are forcing all these small businesses to be shut down.
Before this jerk and his lawsuit crept up from the slime, how bad was ANYthing for anyone?
If you think a law is stupid, then get it changed. I mean, Mel thinks most of our tax laws are no good, but he doesn't blame the tax collectors for doing their job. He blames the legislature, and by proxy the voters, for passing those laws. I may not agree with his opinion, but I respect his methods.
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ADA Compliance in Hawaii
Since this topic is drifting anyway... here are some articles and editorials on ADA litigation in Hawaii. I believe the ADA activist referenced above is Lunsford Phillips (L&L Drive-Inn and Hyatt were two of the bigger cases)... and there's a reason why we haven't heard from him recently.
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Re: Sidewalk wheelchair / bicycle ramps
Originally posted by kimo55So... you think that the ADA standards are useless, Glen?
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Originally posted by Glen MiyashiroNo, the ADA standards are fine. The government guys who didn't plan properly and wasted a bunch of my tax money by not doing the job right the first time, now they're another story.
I think all this ramp and restaurant bathroom business should have been approached much differently.
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