The Bystander Effect?

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I wonder what's going on in Tunoa's mind (the accused killer) right now, if he feels any remorse.

Does it really matter? Maybe, if you're related and wonder if that's genetic. You know, nature vs. nurture.

You know when you're enraged, common sense never prevails and I'm sure he's feeling some of it right now.

I've yet to be enraged because of a girl. Usually because before I get to that point of no return, I've already walked away, either for a moment to chill out or completely sever the relationship.

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I didn't think guns were the real answer, and I don't think killing to save someone is how God wants our rationale to be.

Maybe, but if I confessed having to kill someone to defend an innocent, I think God will let it slide, even if it means 1,000 Hail Mary every day for the rest of my remaining life.

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While this is far from the fatal beating a few nights ago, I couldn't help but notice the vacant eyes of the suspect. It spelled of defeat and desperation of his circumstances, as if he was dead .............

Dead man walking. It's only fitting to expedite his death sooner, though if it's up to me, I'd rather hear crying pain while I place hot lava rocks on his private. Kalua pr-, well you know what I mean.

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I didn't think guns were the real answer,

Yeah, too quick and too humane for the likes of that tub of useless lard. A club lined with shark teeth would be most fitting.

[craigwatanabe]

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Does it really matter? Maybe, if you're related and wonder if that's genetic. You know, nature vs. nurture.



I've yet to be enraged because of a girl. Usually because before I get to that point of no return, I've already walked away, either for a moment to chill out or completely sever the relationship.

I'm not being sympathetic or anything but even the deranged have minds that are in some level of cognative ability and I'm really wondering what is going on at this point in his life.

It's curious what kind of attitude Tunoa has developed over the past few hours/days since the murder?

If it were one of us instead of Tunoa in that cell contemplating his life at this point, how would you feel knowing you just killed the mother of your children? I'd feel pretty suicidal right about now, especially after having time to think about it.

In a public perspective of revenge, for Tunoa this why Lady Justice holding the scales is blindfolded.

[GeckoGeek]

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I'd ram that bastard with my car!

Hmmmm, wasn't he standing over his victim at the time? Maybe if you had one of those jacked up 4x4x......

I didn't think guns were the real answer,

I think of it as sending them to somewhere where there is no parole and no recidivism. It part commentary on our dysfunctional system.

If it were one of us instead of Tunoa in that cell contemplating his life at this point, how would you feel knowing you just killed the mother of your children? I'd feel pretty suicidal right about now, especially after having time to think about it.

Well, if you're trying to get into his mindset, add this from the SB:

"He was convicted of first- and second-degree robbery in 1996 and 1997 respectively, and has an extensive juvenile record."

We don't think like he does. That why he is where he is and we aren't. Find a way to get him to think like we do and you'll be up for nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.

[craigwatanabe]

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We don't think like he does. That why he is where he is and we aren't. Find a way to get him to think like we do and you'll be up for nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Nothing hurts the soul more than a guilty concious and if you can make one feel the guilt they must bear then you've gotten to their soul where the reality of their being exists. My wife is really really good at that when we argue.

I think that's what leads certain people to actually commit suicide when they know they created an unjust situation for another and nothing short of turning in their own lives could ever resolve the pain others must endure.

The truly insane can never fathom guilt to that level. So if one CAN get thru to Tunoa and make him see what he has done, remorse will set in and he will know in his heart what he must do. In Japan of old we call it Seppuku.

Too bad he splintered that gun cuz in the end he should've used it against himself and spare the relatives of the deceased the agony of a trial.

[MixedPlateBroker]

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It's too bad we can't repurpose Tunoa as a walking unarmed escort for military vehicles in Iraq. He's about heavy enough to set off any buried IEDs.

Best case scenario is that we all get to pay to feed and house his sorry *ss for the rest of his natural life.

[GnosticWarrior]

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I think of it as sending them to somewhere where there is no parole and no recidivism. It part commentary on our dysfunctional system.

I understand that the killings of Janel Tupuola and Cyrus Belt have a lot of people angry, searching for understanding of why this happened and how it could have been prevented. Some say a lot could have been done if the “system” wasn’t so dysfunctional. Well is the “system” that is dysfunctional really a govt. agency or the collective consciousness of society?

It's interesting that these events happened just before Martin Luther King Jr. Day. We are all individuals that make up the collective consciousness. I think what the "system" needs is more individuals like MLR Jr. in it. We can all start by trying to emulate him. I had some other stuff I was writing but after reading his quotes, he says it all.
http://www.quotedb.com/authors/martin-luther-king-jr/1

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The truly insane can never fathom guilt to that level. So if one CAN get thru to Tunoa and make him see what he has done, remorse will set in and he will know in his heart what he must do. In Japan of old we call it Seppuku.

I think that is a misunderstanding of what seppuku is about, as far as ancient samurai ethics go. There was much more to seppuku than simply the act of killing oneself.

The vast majority of seppukus committed in Japan were performed, not so much by men who have already dishonored themselves. But mostly, they were performed by individuals who wanted to AVOID dishonor in the first place. (We've all heard the cliche, death before dishonor, right?)

Seppuku is something that was committed by samurais of defeated clans, who chose death over the dishonor of surrendering themselves to the victorious warlord. It has even been committed by politicians as an act of protest against certain govt. actions they were opposed to. It is not an act associated with common criminals paying their debt to their victims/society.

Even if Alapeti Tunoa does feel remorse later and kills himself to escape a guilty conscious, I would personally not classify that as an act of seppuku/harakiri. Seppuku is supposed to be an act whereby someone kills himself with the idea of preserving/restoring one's honor. As Gecko's last post shows, Tunoa never was a honorable person, to begin with.

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Even if Alapeti Tunoa does feel remorse later and kills himself to escape a guilty conscious, I would personally not classify that as an act of seppuku/harakiri. Seppuku is supposed to be an act whereby someone kills himself with the idea of preserving/restoring one's honor. As Gecko's last post shows, Tunoa never was a honorable person, to begin with.

It's not so much the honor of the slain but the honor of the family of the killer.

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I'm not being sympathetic or anything but even the deranged have minds that are in some level of cognative ability and I'm really wondering what is going on at this point in his life.

"Why" is the key question here. I want to know what his motive that drove him to such violence upon his ex.

It's curious what kind of attitude Tunoa has developed over the past few hours/days since the murder?

Meh. Curious for profilers. Whatever the reason the led up to the incident, it's not worth having done the heinous deed.

If it were one of us instead of Tunoa in that cell contemplating his life at this point, how would you feel knowing you just killed the mother of your children? I'd feel pretty suicidal right about now, especially after having time to think about it.

Too bad the police have a policy to protect those in their custody from committing suicide. Even worse, while Higa better watch his butt because inmates hate child-killer, I don't think inmates will get back at that lardass for being a wife-beater/murderer.

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The truly insane can never fathom guilt to that level. So if one CAN get thru to Tunoa and make him see what he has done, remorse will set in and he will know in his heart what he must do. In Japan of old we call it Seppuku.

I don't think that lardass deserves such an honorable suicide.

Too bad he splintered that gun cuz in the end he should've used it against himself and spare the relatives of the deceased the agony of a trial.

If that gun was loaded, a quick death via bullet to the brainpan -- assuming he has one -- is too humane for the likes of him.

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I understand that the killings of Janel Tupuola and Cyrus Belt have a lot of people angry, searching for understanding of why this happened and how it could have been prevented. Some say a lot could have been done if the “system” wasn’t so dysfunctional. Well is the “system” that is dysfunctional really a govt. agency or the collective consciousness of society?

Considering that that a government is nothing without the collective consciousness of society, then it is society that failed Tupuola. Maybe we as a society should push more to provide safe havens for abused and stalked spouses.

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It's not so much the honor of the slain but the honor of the family of the killer.

Meh. Had Tunoa's family killed him before all this happen, I personally would find it an acceptable honor-killing.