Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 2

[arturo_h]

Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 2

The 737-200 was almost half empty that we did not even have to taxi down the full length of the main runway in Honolulu. We just went to the first exit near the halfway point of the runway, waited for some incoming traffic to land, and took off using only half of the 12,000 ft. long runway. Smooth takeoff and bank to the right shortly after....

That's actually a pretty standard take-off for the 732, 717, go!'s CRJ-200, or Island Air’s Dash-8 even if they're full or not. Called a "mid-field take-off," the speed at which any of those smaller aircraft begin to "rotate" or begin lifting off the runway is only about 120-140 knots, which 6,000 ft is more than enough to do so. CRJ-200's in fact are used to taking off from runways as short as 5,000 ft. You most likely took off from taxiway L (Lima) which is the taxiway from the inter-island terminal to runway 8L so they have a little more than half the runway to take-off from (see attached picture). It's also a shorter taxi since you don't have to taxi all the way to the end of 8L which means a shorter flight. Actually most inter-island flights perform a mid-field take-offs unless there’s heavy traffic.



The bank to the right after take-off is also standard procedure since aircraft larger than a single or twin-engine prop plane cannot fly over the city and since taking-off from 8L (or 8R for that matter) will take you straight over the city, hence the right turn.

If anyone’s interested in listening to live ATC from HNL, LiveATC offers it. They have live streaming audio of Honolulu Tower, Approach, Departure, and Center ATC frequencies:
http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=class-b
(HNL is at the bottom of the page)

-Arturo

[Miulang]

Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 2

Anyone been to that web site today!!!!

Looks like somethings serious is happening!!!!


http://www.dontflygo.com/

If all the allegations are true, the police have been notified and will be investigating the incident. These are the kinds of tactics that show an extreme amount of immaturity and desperation on the part of the perpetrators.

Does anybody recall stuff like this happening when Mid Pacific and the other new competitors entered the interisland market in the past? I don't think so.

Mesa just reported an awful financial quarter: their profits were down by 2/3. They attributed most of the loss to unexpected training that needed to be given to pilots on the East Coast, but the somewhat disappointing load factors for go! aren't helping much either.

Miulang

[damontucker]

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Anyone been to that web site today!!!!

Looks like somethings serious is happening!!!!

If anyone has any knowledge of the removal of all of the lug nuts from one wheel of a red pickup truck in Aiea, Hawaii, or Lanikai, Hawaii on November 20th, 2006, please report this information to the Honolulu police immediately.

At dontflygo.com we certainly hope that this is not the kind of behavior that we should expect from go! Airlines and Mesa Airlines employees. The tire on the red pickup truck of a prominent HERO member separated from the vehicle while it was in motion. It was only through luck and timing that the police do not have a homicide investigation on their hands. However, the police are aware of the crime and are investigating. The perpetrator will be brought to justice.

http://www.dontflygo.com/

[Miulang]

HERO disbanding?

According to Friday's PBN, the current leadership of HERO are seriously considering disbanding the group after the fiasco created by Mesa CEO Ornstein's receipt of a t-shirt inscribed with anti-Semitic expressions.

The spokesman for the group, an Aloha Airlines employee, offered his resignation to Aloha, but that resignation was declined.

The mystery of who bought the www.dontflygo.com URL has partially been solved: apparently a supporter of HERO bought the site and transferred hosting to China to cover up his/her identity.

The fate of the website and the HERO organization remain in limbo.

Miulang

[mel]

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On another note in the onging interisland airfare war, it seems that not too many people are taking advantage of the lower fares. I just flew on Aloha Airlines to Hilo yesterday and the plane was only 60% full. The 737-200 was almost half empty that we did not even have to taxi down the full length of the main runway in Honolulu. We just went to the first exit near the halfway point of the runway, waited for some incoming traffic to land, and took off using only half of the 12,000 ft. long runway. Smooth takeoff and bank to the right shortly after....

Aloha certainly did not make any money on this particular flight to Hilo yesterday afternoon.

[joshuatree]

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Yeah, I really think HNL is going to lose way more passenger traffic with all the direct flights. That's great for the traveller, bad for Oahu. No sense spending billions of dollars to turn HNL into a "world class" airport if most tourists skip going through there in the first place. The only people who might grumble about the current ambiance of HNL might be the Japanese tourists, who are arriving in even lower numbers than in the past.

Miulang

Actually, that be even more reason for the airport to get a make over. From Oahu's POV, you gotta do something to retain and to attract other sources. Gotta start targeting the South Korean and Chinese markets. Besides, "world class" does not equal "mega-sized". I don't even think there's a need for more gates, just a renovation of the existing infrastructure.

[Miulang]

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http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...052317869.html

Looks like the interisland market will shrink even more. And I guess you can sort of consider this as Southwest entering the Hawaii market since they now own 27.5% of ATA.

Yeah, I really think HNL is going to lose way more passenger traffic with all the direct flights. That's great for the traveller, bad for Oahu. No sense spending billions of dollars to turn HNL into a "world class" airport if most tourists skip going through there in the first place. The only people who might grumble about the current ambiance of HNL might be the Japanese tourists, who are arriving in even lower numbers than in the past.

Miulang

[joshuatree]

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http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...052317869.html

Looks like the interisland market will shrink even more. And I guess you can sort of consider this as Southwest entering the Hawaii market since they now own 27.5% of ATA.

[Quyp]

Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 2

Quoting Starbulletin

H.E.R.O. spokesman Randall Cummings, an Aloha Airlines interisland pilot, said the T-shirt wasn't officially endorsed by H.E.R.O., and was an on-the-spot action undertaken by some of the group's members at the rally.

But then....

Cummings said he wasn't aware of the anti-Semitic remark and didn't read the whole shirt before it was sent out. Cummings signed the T-shirt but said he wrote "nothing vulgar."

If H.E.R.O. didn't officially endorse the T-shirt, why was the spokesman signing it? Isn't that endorsing it? Doesn't a spokesman of an organization represent the organization? Those guys just need to stop before things backfire for the local carriers.

Looks like it already did. According to PBN's article today, customers are already not flying Aloha because of shirt-gate. I liked that Cummings called the guy who wrote the Jewish comment a dumbass. But from the pics in PBN and the Star Bulletin, I count six other dumbasses...including Cummings for putting his name on something he didn't even look at. Way to self destruct HERO! How do you make a martyr out of Ornstein?

[joshuatree]

Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 2

Quoting Starbulletin

H.E.R.O. spokesman Randall Cummings, an Aloha Airlines interisland pilot, said the T-shirt wasn't officially endorsed by H.E.R.O., and was an on-the-spot action undertaken by some of the group's members at the rally.

But then....

Cummings said he wasn't aware of the anti-Semitic remark and didn't read the whole shirt before it was sent out. Cummings signed the T-shirt but said he wrote "nothing vulgar."

If H.E.R.O. didn't officially endorse the T-shirt, why was the spokesman signing it? Isn't that endorsing it? Doesn't a spokesman of an organization represent the organization? Those guys just need to stop before things backfire for the local carriers.

[Got2HaVKaYaNoW]

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"You heard of Go",
" Yea i heard of Go,"
"so where you like Go?",
"where ever you like Go, I like GO",
" ok shoot we GO!!"











*bored*

KaYa T.

[pzarquon]

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go! chief receives offensive T-shirt
Rival airline workers pen profanities and an anti-Semitic slur

Mesa Air Group Chief Executive Jonathan Ornstein -- whose new interisland airline go! sparked a fare war, triggered lawsuits and inspired several anti-go! Web sites -- received a T-shirt on Monday containing an anti-Semitic slur, profane remarks and hate messages from members of a Hawaii airline employees' committee that calls itself H.E.R.O, or Hawaii's airline Employees Repelling Ornstein...

After [H.E.R.O. spokesman Randall] Cummings and [Aloha Airlines pilot Mike] Uslan were contacted about the shirt, H.E.R.O. put out a news release in which it said the group does not condone vulgarity or other hostile comments. H.E.R.O. also apologized in the news release to Ornstein for the offensive statements on the shirt, but did not say what was written.

Classy! Seems whenever I'm about ready to sour on go!, its opponents give me reason to give them another shot. Looks like the anti-go! forces' worst enemies may be themselves.

[Miulang]

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Even Mesa pilots are huhu at Ornstein and his management. On Sunday, ALPA pilots flying for Mesa issued a "lack of confidence" statement against management.

The pilots said Mesa management had "passed off" such problems as "broken aircraft, crew shortages, dirty cabins, delayed and cancelled flights" as stemming from rapid growth.

"As Mesa expanded over the past three years, our management passed off our operational problems -- broken aircraft, crew shortages, dirty cabins, delayed and cancelled flights -- as the 'price of rapid growth,'" said James Ackerman, chairman of ALPA's Mesa unit. "Our operational problems still persist and, in fact, have worsened."

Ackerman said the union surveyed its Mesa members and found 90 percent had lost confidence in their management. The news release did not name names and it did not single out any specific aspect of Mesa's operations.

Doesn't say much if Mesa's employees also see problems with their company.

Miulang

[aloha-anon]

www.dontflygo.com is baaack!

YOU TUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZvYtRa2qeA

KHNL NEWS 8
http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=5653932

Paparazzi Photo taken of
Jonathan Ornstein showing his support

Plane Buzz (Holly Hegemans Blog)
http://www.planebuzz.com/2006/11/and..._is_rough.html

Also check this weeks "Honolulu Weekly" (page 4) on newsstands now.

[aloha-anon]

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