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Originally posted by 1stwahine View PostNo scoldings from dis Auntie. Just Ignore um. Not worth it getting Mad. [...]
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Okay Spartacus, which one is Craig Foo?
Originally posted by Craig Foo View PostI'm Craig FooOriginally posted by Waioli Kai View PostNo, I'm Craig FooOriginally posted by 1stwahine View PostI'm Craig FooOriginally posted by Composite 2992 View PostNo, I'm Craig Foo
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Originally posted by woodman View PostOkay Spartacus, which one is Craig Foo?
That leaves two others... or is it three, including thee?Make trouble, have fun, do good stuffs.
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I feel a sense of responsibility to return this thread to its topic.
So here it is:
We support the Superferry as another option to travel within our State. And, just because we support the Superferry for that reason, it doesn't mean that we dismiss any studies that are required by law or care to speculate if the political powers intended any malice in their decisions.
What we do not support is attacks and ridiculous insinuations against passengers of the Superferry, in particular residents on Oahu.___
"Be god to each other."
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Originally posted by InfinityProductions View Post
What we do not support is attacks and ridiculous insinuations against passengers of the Superferry, in particular residents on Oahu.
I must have missed that post.
I find it interesting that when I post points offered by those neighbor island residents who oppose the Superferry, "I" am met with belittling remarks by Superferry supporters; remarks that imply "My" thinking is less than intelligent for even presenting those points and summarily dismissing them as “nonsense”.
I don’t see how that is much different from a neighborhood bully wanting to park his car in your yard, and in the course of discussing the issue declares, ”Shut-up! No one wants to listen to what you have to say because it’s so stupid that it’s not worth listening to.”
It lends a great deal of credence to claims by neighbor islanders that they are being FORCED to accept this, that it is being rammed down their throats.
I just want to see who is doing this from the other side of the issue. I’m sure that they have their share of hard-headed individuals, I just haven’t seen too much of it.
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Originally posted by InfinityProductions View PostWe support the Superferry as another option to travel within our State. And, just because we support the Superferry for that reason, it doesn't mean that we dismiss any studies that are required by law or care to speculate if the political powers intended any malice in their decisions.
What we do not support is attacks and ridiculous insinuations against passengers of the Superferry, in particular residents on Oahu.
My personal preference is to see the SuperFerry allowed to operate while the EA is done to see if a full EIS is needed.I've made it very clear in the past that I have certain reservations about the SuperFerry, but the newbies and trolls aren't aware of that.
And frankly, Scarlet...
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That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
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Originally posted by LikaNui View PostYou said it perfectly, and I agree on all counts.
My personal preference is to see the SuperFerry allowed to operate while the EA is done to see if a full EIS is needed.I've made it very clear in the past that I have certain reservations about the SuperFerry, but the newbies and trolls aren't aware of that.
And frankly, Scarlet...
And to clarify WOODMAN since you inquired about any unknown "attacks" against Superferry passengers and/or Oahu residents, my definition is simple it's the "generalizations" of Oahu residents being posted here listed as reasons for opposing the Superferry, ie. drugs, copper theft, homelessness, illegal camping, depleting opihi, etc.
These generalizations don't apply to ALL of Oahu residents or even to any of the HT supporters, and so it's an "attack" against me and my household, and I'm sure as well as others. When these generalizations are posted there should be some facts to support it, otherwise it lacks credibility and becomes labeled as fearmongering.
I won't make any generalizations of the people on Kauai based on the actions of some protestors. It wouldn't be fair or right for that matter.
I'm sure you too saw the footage of the protestors on Kauai, specifically those pounding on the personal vehicle of a passenger as well as the direct shouting and screaming to the individuals in the vehicle, if you don't consider it an "attack" against a Superferry passenger and Oahu resident, what do you call it?___
"Be god to each other."
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The question was:
Originally posted by woodman View PostWho is "attacking" passengers of the Superferry, or Oahu residents?
Originally posted by InfinityProductions View PostI'm sure you too saw the footage of the protestors on Kauai, specifically those pounding on the personal vehicle of a passenger as well as the direct shouting and screaming to the individuals in the vehicle, if you don't consider it an "attack" against a Superferry passenger and Oahu resident, what do you call it?
TOTALLY INEXCUSABLE behavior on the part of the protesters.
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That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
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Originally posted by InfinityProductions View Post
And to clarify WOODMAN since you inquired about any unknown "attacks" against Superferry passengers and/or Oahu residents, my definition is simple it's the "generalizations" of Oahu residents being posted here listed as reasons for opposing the Superferry, ie. drugs, copper theft, homelessness, illegal camping, depleting opihi, etc.
What infrastructure allotments/improvements planned for development are there that account for this increase?
When you extrapolate from that to make it an attack on a specific group of people, and disregard it with that narrow consideration, you have effectively dismissed the concerns of those people without even bothering to address them.
So this basically takes the concerns of a particular group, then attempts to link it to an irrelevant topic for the purpose of summarily dismissing it.
Originally posted by InfinityProductions View Post
These generalizations don't apply to ALL of Oahu residents or even to any of the HT supporters, and so it's an "attack" against me and my household, and I'm sure as well as others.
Please clarify this further.
Originally posted by InfinityProductions View PostWhen these generalizations are posted there should be some facts to support it, otherwise it lacks credibility and becomes labeled as fearmongering.
To my knowledge, no one has yet made any account for this.
Now that the boat is here, it is a little laTe to start figuring this out, s someone clearly dropped the ball.
Originally posted by InfinityProductions View PostI'm sure you too saw the footage of the protesters on Kauai, specifically those pounding on the personal vehicle of a passenger as well as the direct shouting and screaming to the individuals in the vehicle, if you don't consider it an "attack" against a Superferry passenger and Oahu resident, what do you call it?
That kind of behavior wil not help to resolve ANY issue.Last edited by woodman; October 1, 2007, 12:35 PM.
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Originally posted by woodman View PostIt lends a great deal of credence to claims by neighbor islanders that they are being FORCED to accept this, that it is being rammed down their throats.
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*sigh*
I tried, I really did WOODMAN to clarify my point of view as well as welcome you to HT. But I won't make it part of my personal agenda to get you to understand me, honestly it doesn't seem worth my time.
Have a good week.___
"Be god to each other."
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Lika,
I've posted a lot of things in a lot topics in a lot of other threads. You don't even have enough guts to quote my full sentence.
I guess mods and Admin must have allowed you some sort of special dispensation, otherwise, why else would they allow you to go around touting indignation on behalf of others. ...and you call "me" a troll?
Stop following me through threads.
If you have a problem with my posts you can contact a mod or Admin, or you can P/M me directly, but stop following me through threads. It's called "stalking" and when it is employed for the purpose of intentionally misrepresenting views and opinions of others (as you have done to me) it is stalking for the purpose of harassment.
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InfinityProductions, it may interest you to know that I really don't have a definative position on this issue.
I became intersted when I saw the turnout on at the hearings in Kauai, and called a few friends there to get their view.
When they raised concerns that I had not seen brought up in the media, I figured that I would post some of those points myself and surely they would be addressed in reasonable discussion.
If we end up in disagreement, Fine.
What's wrong with that?
I often disagree with my wife, and I MARRIED her!
unfortunately, I suspect that lot of people make WAAAaayyyy too much of this because they are overinvested on a personal level and it affects their faculties for discussion.Last edited by woodman; October 1, 2007, 01:24 PM.
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