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Using fuels other than crude oil for transportation use
Last edited by helen; July 17, 2008, 07:53 PM. -
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Originally posted by helen View PostI suspect one could use hydrogen (from water) or alcohol (from various plants) for fuel but then again the engine using these fuels would be different too.
So do cars, and that is going to hurt a lot of people when fossil-based gas is gone.Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08
Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89
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Helen...
Your concerns aren't not too far off the mark, actually. And the answers are closer to a practical reality than one might suspect.
Branson from Virgin Atlantic ran one engine of a 747 with a mix of biofuel and jet A just to prove it can be done. Nothing special was done to the aircraft. Jet turbines are known to be able to use a wide variety of fuels, unlike gas engines.
http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...717009,00.html
And there are some interesting developments where algae is grown in slim vertical tanks to produce a type of vegetable oil. There's plans to do that here.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/s...8800%5E1650634
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Here's another idea. Researchers have come up with a way to create hydrocarbon fuels from lignin -- in other words, from wood! -- using high temperature and pressure. No biology needed.
http://technology.newscientist.com/c...o-biofuel.html
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Originally posted by Eric View PostAlgae.
There's a company who is working on extracting a crude oil substitute from algae. They say you can process it in refineries and make gasoline and diesel and jet fuel from it, just like from petroleum.
Then again, we'll probably ticked off some environmentalists.
There is always an environmentalist when it comes to extracting resources.Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08
Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89
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Originally posted by Glen Miyashiro View PostHere's another idea. Researchers have come up with a way to create hydrocarbon fuels from lignin -- in other words, from wood! -- using high temperature and pressure. No biology needed.
http://technology.newscientist.com/c...o-biofuel.htmlBeijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08
Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89
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Originally posted by Random View PostWe should use the Pacific Ocean for our algae farm.
Then again, we'll probably ticked off some environmentalists.
There is always an environmentalist when it comes to extracting resources.
Here's a comparison of the amount of oil produced per acre by various crops. http://oakhavenpc.org/cultivating_algae.htm
Corn 18
Soybeans 48
Safflower 83
Sunflower 102
Rapeseed 127
Oil Palm 635
Micro Algae 5000-15000
If it works as advertised, it looks like a much better option than getting fuel from any land crop.
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Originally posted by Composite 2992 View PostThe thin vertical tanks are more efficient. Light gets attenuated real fast in water, so deep oceans are lousy places to cultivate algae. Not to mention the stuff just drifting off if it's not encased or enclosed.Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08
Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89
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Did anybody listen to the 2nd hour of www.coasttocoastam.com the other night (Thursday?) as a guest told about the history of oil/gas, and alcohol as petrol before John Rockefeller schemed it into prohibition and letting oil take over? Another total scam on us. Very interesting show/interview with a guy who knew his stuff on the subject.
It's still a very viable way to go with lot's of side benefits to using the by-products.
Another guy called in last night asking about potent China Berries to make fuel.
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Here's something else that's interesting. Oil and natural gas seepage off the coast of California. Apparently there's a lot of it there.
http://www.thedailysound.com/2008/06...dangerous.html
http://www.soscalifornia.org/index.html
As for doing algae cultivation on Kahoolawe, it's easier to do it on the Big Island or other places where there's lots of sunlight, relatively cheap land, easy access to power to run pumps and a processing plant, and a convenient way to ship out the products.
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And how about running a car on air?
Just a couple of years, my friends!
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Originally posted by Random View PostWe should use the Pacific Ocean for our algae farm.
Then again, we'll probably ticked off some environmentalists.
There is always an environmentalist when it comes to extracting resources.
But even if everyone's wildest dreams come true and algae makes our country energy self-sufficient, I wouldn't be surprised if enemy nations engage in eco-terrorism to wage havoc in the world.Last edited by Frankie's Market; July 20, 2008, 12:27 AM.This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.
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Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View Posta guest told about the history of oil/gas, and alcohol as petrol before John Rockefeller schemed it into prohibition and letting oil take over? Another total scam on us.
We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.
— U.S. President Bill Clinton
USA TODAY, page 2A
11 March 1993
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I'd think the ideal would be some sort of photovoltaic system on every roof (with batteries for storage), providing most of the energy for the home and car.
This could be for electric cars or for producing hydrogen.
I don't know if it would be more economical, but since this is a somewhat theoretical conversation, it makes more sense than producing, refining, and shipping over some distance.
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