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    Was the tainted wheat gluten from China that affected so many of our pets just the tip of the iceberg? When we eat food from cans, do we really know where all the ingredients came from (even if the origin of the product itself may be from the US)?

    The answer may be a resounding NO, if this story is to be believed. China, which now exports more goods than the US, has a long history of adulterating food produced there with chemicals and practices that might be banned elsewhere in the world. With lax inspection at the Chinese end and insufficient controls at our end of the chain, the likelihood of human-based poisoning from Chinese-imported food products is fairly high.

    Even reading food labels may no longer be sufficient, because as with cars, even if the final product is labelled American, some of its components may have been procured elsewhere.

    So about the only way you are guaranteed to know what is going in your mouth is to purchase the raw ingredients from a reputable local source and prepare it yourself.

    Miulang
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    Yikes. While I knew that most everything is manufarctured over in China, I didn't realize that FOOD PRODUCTS was part of that. That's scary, because China is like the wild west over there. Lax laws, low quality control, very little business scruples, and health codes ?... Pulleeze.

    Having a widget like an MP3 player, a lamp, or the promotional drink coasters for my new Tikiyaki Orchestra CD made over there is one thing, FOOD is another entirely. That's scary. In a country where some unthinkable things are edible, this could be dangerous.

    Wow, that's cause for alarm.

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    can you give exaples of what is an unthinkable edible thing? i think every culture has something like that. haggis. natto. rocky mountain oysters.

    i could probably agree with the other stuff tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tikiyaki View Post
    Having a widget like an MP3 player, a lamp, or the promotional drink coasters for my new Tikiyaki Orchestra CD made over there is one thing, FOOD is another entirely. That's scary.
    Nice plug Tiki! On that note, I'm in line to BUY a copy of your T.O. CD when it's released. Sounds nice.

    The only problem with locally-grown or made anything is it's often more expensive than the competition due to high overhead (read real estate), processing, manufacturing and distribution limitations and/or general higher cost of doing business in the islands. On the plus side, most Hawaii products have excellent quality standards, which, for the most part, justifies the higher prices.

    I like the line in the movie Top Gun when the Commander tells "Mav" and "Goose" that if they keep messin' around, they'll be "flying rubber dog sh#t outta' Hong Kong".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pomai View Post
    Nice plug Tiki! On that note, I'm in line to BUY a copy of your T.O. CD when it's released. Sounds nice. [...]
    Oooh...me too...me too!!! Love it. It's perfect for my (eventual) Little Grass Shack! Love the graphics on the site, too!

    Back on topic...think I'll take the local farmer's markets a bit more seriously!

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    Does anyone here think the food sold here in Hawaii is overpriced to the point of gouging? I know there's the extra cost of shipping but when you see some of the prices for food in other states; and I'm talking about the same mass produced, non-organic, pesticide laced, genetically modified food; I wonder if stores use the whole "everything has to be shipped in" as a huge excuse for the prices they charge.

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    Sorry for the shameless plug guys
    Didn't mean to derail the thread.

    Anyway, I really hope this doesn't start affecting food products we use everyday. There are supposedly a reported 39,000 cases of dogs being affected by the Menu Foods issue from a month ago. That's scary.

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    shipping/freight charges is not an excuse...it is freekin expensive to ship stuff here and therefore passed on to the consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CranBeree View Post
    shipping/freight charges is not an excuse...it is freekin expensive to ship stuff here and therefore passed on to the consumers.
    It's expensive but is it that much where food prices is like double or maybe even triple of what you find on CONUS? I've seen $0.39/lb sunkist oranges, $0.20 for a bunch of green onions, $0.69 for 5 cloves of garlic, etc. I don't think you can remotely find those prices in Hawaii. And those aren't clearance items either. Maybe we just gotta work at getting rid of the Jones Act? No other state gets more affected by the Jones Act than Hawaii. Every other state, including Alaska, has a land route option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    It's expensive but is it that much where food prices is like double or maybe even triple of what you find on CONUS? I've seen $0.39/lb sunkist oranges, $0.20 for a bunch of green onions, $0.69 for 5 cloves of garlic, etc. I don't think you can remotely find those prices in Hawaii. And those aren't clearance items either. Maybe we just gotta work at getting rid of the Jones Act? No other state gets more affected by the Jones Act than Hawaii. Every other state, including Alaska, has a land route option.

    think of it as ...when a company brings a product in and sells it to you, they have to mark it up to make some profit, then add on the shipping/freight charges... well there went the prices. do you know that sharper image marks up by 400% to cover costs, sales rental etc etc...shoe stores mark up by a certain percentage also..i forget its been so long since its been since over 10 years that i've seen the account..i was interning at a shoe store in Ala Moana doing accounts payable...a shoe at cost was between $4-5 and was retailed for $49.99.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    It's expensive but is it that much where food prices is like double or maybe even triple of what you find on CONUS? I've seen $0.39/lb sunkist oranges, $0.20 for a bunch of green onions, $0.69 for 5 cloves of garlic, etc. I don't think you can remotely find those prices in Hawaii. And those aren't clearance items either. Maybe we just gotta work at getting rid of the Jones Act? No other state gets more affected by the Jones Act than Hawaii. Every other state, including Alaska, has a land route option.
    Getting rid of the Jones Act would help bring prices down and possibly create a "lifeline" for Hawai'i in times of shipping strikes on the West Coast. But it still wouldn't address the quality control issues with imports from Asia...I can tolerate defects in manufactured goods, but NOT tainted food! And if we think Hawai'i has issues with invasive species now, can you imagine what things would be like if ships, harboring alien pests, were allowed to dock directly at ports in Hawai'i? Bugs from some parts of Asia would absolutely love the climate in Hawai'i.

    Miulang

    P.S. Getting rid of the Jones Act might also help the people seeking sovereignty further their case for independence if there was less reliance on CONUS for critical goods.
    Last edited by Miulang; April 13th, 2007 at 08:19 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    I wonder if stores use the whole "everything has to be shipped in" as a huge excuse for the prices they charge.
    Of course that's part of it, but when costs are higher for everything from labor to taxes to property, even without shipping expenses, the retail prices will be higher. Our minimum wage is two dollars per hour higher than the Federal minimum wage; I know I don't have to tell you how much more it costs to own land; fuel costs, even for strictly in-state transportation and energy, are going to boost expenses more than they would where fuel is cheaper (which is just about everywhere on the mainland).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CranBeree View Post
    think of it as ...when a company brings a product in and sells it to you, they have to mark it up to make some profit, then add on the shipping/freight charges... well there went the prices. do you know that sharper image marks up by 400% to cover costs, sales rental etc etc...shoe stores mark up by a certain percentage also..i forget its been so long since its been since over 10 years that i've seen the account..i was interning at a shoe store in Ala Moana doing accounts payable...a shoe at cost was between $4-5 and was retailed for $49.99.
    But in your example, you are comparing apples to oranges. Food are items of necessity. Shoes and Sharper Image are items of luxury.

    Aside from marking up for the extra shipping charge, I don't see why there needs to be a major markup for profit. The prices I quoted for food on CONUS are prices those stores are making a profit on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    But in your example, you are comparing apples to oranges. Food are items of necessity. Shoes and Sharper Image are items of luxury.

    Aside from marking up for the extra shipping charge, I don't see why there needs to be a major markup for profit. The prices I quoted for food on CONUS are prices those stores are making a profit on.
    uhmm..that whole concept would apply to food to. trust me i know these things. but then again you could always try your hand at being buyer for a distributor.
    Last edited by CranBeree; April 13th, 2007 at 09:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    Getting rid of the Jones Act would help bring prices down and possibly create a "lifeline" for Hawai'i in times of shipping strikes on the West Coast. But it still wouldn't address the quality control issues with imports from Asia...I can tolerate defects in manufactured goods, but NOT tainted food! And if we think Hawai'i has issues with invasive species now, can you imagine what things would be like if ships, harboring alien pests, were allowed to dock directly at ports in Hawai'i? Bugs from some parts of Asia would absolutely love the climate in Hawai'i.

    Miulang

    P.S. Getting rid of the Jones Act might also help the people seeking sovereignty further their case for independence if there was less reliance on CONUS for critical goods.
    You are right about food quality control. That's another issue, something I believe the Jones Act has zero power in addressing. And before people get all hyped up that tainted food only comes from Asia, remember the tainted salads coming from California a few months back? It can happen from any source.

    As for invasive species from foreign ships, it's not just the ships, it's the containers. And that already happens as containers cross borders without any hindrance in today's world. Btw, where are all the environmental groups when it comes to Matson's China - Long Beach Express route? They actually send a container ship from Ningbo/Shanghai to Long Beach, then it swings back down to Hawaii, then to Guam, then back to China. You've already got your invasive species route happening as we speak. But everyone got on the bandwagon with pitch forks and torches when it came to the HSF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    But in your example, you are comparing apples to oranges. Food are items of necessity. Shoes and Sharper Image are items of luxury.

    Aside from marking up for the extra shipping charge, I don't see why there needs to be a major markup for profit. The prices I quoted for food on CONUS are prices those stores are making a profit on.
    I don't know if this is true in Hawai'i, but the typical operating margin of most supermarkets is anywhere from 1-3% (except for Whole Foods possibly), which isn't very much, when you look at the markups of nonessential goods at places like Sharper Image. So if that margin also holds true for Hawai'i, then the grocery stores are not the ones who are ripping you off. More than likely, the middlemen---the folks who get your food to you---are the ones who are making the most profit. Eventually, unless something is done, pretty soon your choices of where you buy your food might be limited to the big boxes---the Safeways, Costcos and WalMarts---who can buy in huge quantities. You might not have your Times or Star Markets forever, unless you continue to show loyalty to them now.

    One way your food costs are reduced is that essential food is not taxed when you buy it. I can't remember if when I went to Sack 'n Save the other week whether or not I paid a sales tax on the half gallon of Haleakala Dairy milk and loaf of Home Maid Bakery bread I bought, though.

    Up here, there is no tax on most food except deli and softdrinks and candy. Other consumables like toilet paper are taxed.

    Miulang
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    Of course that's part of it, but when costs are higher for everything from labor to taxes to property, even without shipping expenses, the retail prices will be higher. Our minimum wage is two dollars per hour higher than the Federal minimum wage; I know I don't have to tell you how much more it costs to own land; fuel costs, even for strictly in-state transportation and energy, are going to boost expenses more than they would where fuel is cheaper (which is just about everywhere on the mainland).

    It's just what it costs to live here.
    I'm actually not buying those arguments. I am not denying doing business in Hawaii is expensive but I do believe there is a lot of price gouging based on the ingrain presumption that it's the extra shipping costs, high cost of labor, and cost of real estate.

    The food prices I listed as examples from CONUS were obtained from grocery stores in Southern California. Minimum wage in Hawaii is $7.25 an hour. Cali's is $7.50. Cost of land? Cali's is right up there with Hawaii. Gas? Average price of 87 octane regular for Hawaii this week is $3.20. For Cali, $3.26. So the only other variable is shipping. I find it hard to believe shipping translates to a price increase of two to three times. Btw, the example of 5 cloves of garlic, those were garlic imported from China, a shipping distance much further for Cali than for Hawaii so you see why I question the food prices?

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    ok..here is a little known deal or maybe you guys do know...

    Western Family, Times, Best Yet (i forget the rest of the private labels)

    those are all under Meadow Gold.... they just change the boxes.

    if your milk doesn't say Island Fresh, then it's from California. shipped over in those huge tubular things...i forget what tehyre called exactly..if you know what im talking about remind me...if you do know and you see those things on the road and it says Agmark..it contains orange juice...blah blah blah... just a little trivia for your day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CranBeree View Post
    uhmm..that whole concept would apply to food to. trust me i know these things. but then again you could always try your hand at being buyer for a distributor.
    No it wouldn't. Based on your belief that shipping costs would make food two to three times the cost of food on CONUS, why isn't that pair of $49.99 shoes not $149.99 in Hawaii because of the shipping?

    Being a buyer for a distributor would still mean you gotta work under their excessively greedy MOs so what's changed? All you will learn is that they want excessively fat profit margins, again, not as big of an issue with luxury items vs items you need to live, food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    No it wouldn't. Based on your belief that shipping costs would make food two to three times the cost of food on CONUS, why isn't that pair of $49.99 shoes not $149.99 in Hawaii because of the shipping?

    Being a buyer for a distributor would still mean you gotta work under their excessively greedy MOs so what's changed? All you will learn is that they want excessively fat profit margins, again, not as big of an issue with luxury items vs items you need to live, food.
    i didnt say only the shipping/freight..i said ..go read what i wrote... i think you missed about the part about GP and rent and all that stuff. and the shoe cost was actually between $4-5. Retailed at $49.99

    p.s. produce/meat/fish etc. needs to get to Hawaii within 24 hours..and also for all items requriing consumption also must go through customs clearance /FDA etc.
    Last edited by CranBeree; April 13th, 2007 at 09:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CranBeree View Post
    i didnt say only the shipping/freight..i said ..go read what i wrote... i think you missed about the part about GP and rent and all that stuff. and the shoe cost was actually between $4-5. Retailed at $49.99
    I did read what you wrote but I already stated once that profit on items of luxury can't be compared on par with items of necessity. Also, I also already stated that the food prices I quoted for CONUS is already at profitable prices so your statement of needing to tack on more to price of food in Hawaii for profit is either 1) irrelevant because the CONUS prices I started with are already market prices which includes profit or 2) the sellers in Hawaii are excessively gouging which leads back to my original post.

    I replied to another poster comparing costs in Hawaii with Cali. They are practically eye to eye with the only exception of shipping.

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    joshuatree: i seriously hope you don't like sashimi or any type of fish for that matter. you would die knowing what the markup is..

    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    I did read what you wrote but I already stated once that profit on items of luxury can't be compared on par with items of necessity. Also, I also already stated that the food prices I quoted for CONUS is already at profitable prices so your statement of needing to tack on more to price of food in Hawaii for profit is either 1) irrelevant because the CONUS prices I started with are already market prices which includes profit or 2) the sellers in Hawaii are excessively gouging which leads back to my original post.

    I replied to another poster comparing costs in Hawaii with Cali. They are practically eye to eye with the only exception of shipping.
    ok...any food item....has to make GP (GP from 35% and up) ...so yes you are right about the high prices..but then in turn thats' how companies make money.

    you could also go swap meet or farmer's market if you dont want to pay that right? your choice.

    did you read the part about food items having to be here within 24 hours etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CranBeree View Post
    joshuatree: i seriously hope you don't like sashimi or any type of fish for that matter. you would die knowing what the markup is..
    Quote Originally Posted by CranBeree View Post
    ok...any food item....has to make GP (GP from 35% and up) ...so yes you are right about the high prices..but then in turn thats' how companies make money.

    you could also go swap meet or farmer's market if you dont want to pay that right? your choice.

    did you read the part about food items having to be here within 24 hours etc?
    Oh I have my moments when I crave for sashimi but I don't know why you think I have no clue to product markups. I don't dispute with you that a seller will try to sell a product at the highest possible price. But sashimi is considered a luxury item. I can't recall the last time the UN providing sashimi to the masses in a hunger crisis. Besides, the prices for sashimi in Hawaii and on CONUS ain't that far apart. Sashimi is in short supply with overfishing and there's a world demand that dictates the pricing very closely.

    My whole point in this discussion is that people in Hawaii are practically being gouged on basic food items because the excuse has been, shipping costs. Yes, shipping costs should indeed make the food prices a bit more than CONUS but not at 100% or 200% of prices on CONUS. Someone in the Hawaii food chain supply is clearly making bank. And people of Hawaii are willing to accept it because we're all so preconditioned with the shipping explanation.

    Regarding certain food items having be here within 24 hours. That's a lot of exaggeration given today's refrigerated containers. Unless you are referring to live fish, or of similar nature, there is no need to have items here within 24 hours. Have you ever bought a 5 lb box of Tyson frozen chicken drums and wings? Or how about a 5 lb box of frozen shrimp from the Philippines or Vietnam? None of those items are 24 hours, especially when you look at the box timestamps and those items were processed like 3 months prior.

    I do try to find alternate avenues like farmers markets, etc. Chinatown would probably be the easiest bet in finding cheaper food.

    As for any food item has to make profit from 35% and up. Isn't that just greed? Where is it written in stone? Costco's mantra is to never make more than 15% profit off an item. There's profit and then there's greedy profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    Oh I have my moments when I crave for sashimi but I don't know why you think I have no clue to product markups. I don't dispute with you that a seller will try to sell a product at the highest possible price. But sashimi is considered a luxury item. I can't recall the last time the UN providing sashimi to the masses in a hunger crisis. Besides, the prices for sashimi in Hawaii and on CONUS ain't that far apart. Sashimi is in short supply with overfishing and there's a world demand that dictates the pricing very closely.

    My whole point in this discussion is that people in Hawaii are practically being gouged on basic food items because the excuse has been, shipping costs. Yes, shipping costs should indeed make the food prices a bit more than CONUS but not at 100% or 200% of prices on CONUS. Someone in the Hawaii food chain supply is clearly making bank. And people of Hawaii are willing to accept it because we're all so preconditioned with the shipping explanation.

    Regarding certain food items having be here within 24 hours. That's a lot of exaggeration given today's refrigerated containers. Unless you are referring to live fish, or of similar nature, there is no need to have items here within 24 hours. Have you ever bought a 5 lb box of Tyson frozen chicken drums and wings? Or how about a 5 lb box of frozen shrimp from the Philippines or Vietnam? None of those items are 24 hours, especially when you look at the box timestamps and those items were processed like 3 months prior.

    I do try to find alternate avenues like farmers markets, etc. Chinatown would probably be the easiest bet in finding cheaper food.

    As for any food item has to make profit from 35% and up. Isn't that just greed? Where is it written in stone? Costco's mantra is to never make more than 15% profit off an item. There's profit and then there's greedy profit.

    i will edit to say 48 instead of 24 hrs...airlines are have a minimum requirement of 48 yhrs..(call the airlines if you so desire)

    as for the fish comment, forget it, it was meant to be a joke.

    as for the 35% and up, no its not written in stone but then again it isn't your company.

    i think if you really want to choose to understand the situation, then you would have to work in the industry itself.

    k.....off to enjoy the rest of my Friday.
    Cheers!

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